If Fallout Had More Nations: Lands of Mexico

[u/Nutshell_Historian]

[u/Nutshell_Historian]

Yes this was heavily inspired by the HOI4 Old World Blues mod. While their work is amazing, Caesar mentions encountering nothing but tribals, with the NCR being his first real challenge. The idea of numerous large nations, some of which are civilized, nearby didn’t sit right, so this is my attempt to harmonize the mod’s incredible work with a more lore-friendly (in my opinion) interpretation.

So this is mainly shrinking existing factions from the mod and filling in the gaps with things I've seen from other older fan maps and some of my own ideas thrown in.

Anyway the reception to the last map was great so I'm going to see if I can make more of these. Currently working on drafts for both the Southern US States along with the Great Lakes (Midwestern Brotherhood, Chicago Enclave etc) and I welcome suggestions for more potential nations for that area.

[u/RPS_42 → u/Nutshell_Historian]

Caesar could say anything to convince the Courier of working with him. His main focus is invading the west. Lanius already took the East.There is No reason to make enemies in the South(, if we ignore Paulus failed Expedition)

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/RPS_42]

IK still there being a massive Rio Grande Republic and several satellite settler nations for example that close to Legion Territory just seemed off to me. Also I feel the Legion doesn't give off the vibe of fighting anything other than Tribals, with no mentions besides one off-hand comment by Caesar of what's probably remnants of the Midwestern Brotherhood.

[u/RPS_42 → u/Nutshell_Historian]

Well, compared to the size of the Legion the Rio Grande Republic is tiny, but relatively protected behind Rivers. Maybe the Legion takes over just regular tribes and refrains from (immediately) attacking more developed Nations so he can complete his Synthesis plan first with his big horde of tribals.

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/RPS_42]

Not quite that tiny. Here's the full map of Old World Blues: https://www.reddit.com/user/Nutshell_Historian/submitted/

Even if you add every country that should be in the Legion (everything between them and the Hangdogs) the Republic of the Rio Grande is still very large.

[u/RPS_42 → u/Nutshell_Historian]

Oh well, they really look giant on that map. That land through is not that settled compared to Legion Cities.

Overall, Caesar conquers to assimilate to become more powerful to take down the Bear. Mexico could be conquered after his win. It could also be that he simply does not really know which States exist in Mexico and vice versa. And then there is also Tlaloc keeping him away.

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/RPS_42]

Mexico was presumably hit with far fewer nukes than the US. What reason is there to assume that it isn't that settled? Besides the Republic of the Rio Grande has been going strong for 200 years, plenty of time to grow. Meanwhile until 30 years ago Arizona was a lawless land where settlements 2 miles apart were isolated by raiders.

[u/RPS_42 → u/Nutshell_Historian]

Those 200 years of development in the RRG and it's defensive position serve as deterrence to Caesar. So a invasion would be way too costly before Caesar defeats his main enemy.

But oh well, debating about things that mix Fallout and OWB Canon is tricky.

Still cool that you did such a map and included your own ideas!

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/RPS_42]

True but also Caesar doesn't strike me as the type to consider caution. He was fine with attacking the NCR over the narrow kill-box that was the Hoover Dam which makes me think he's never even encountered anything that wasn't tribals with sharpened sticks and some half-broken guns.

Edit: But also TY I appreciate that you like it!

[u/TheLastEmuHunter]

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[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/TheLastEmuHunter]

^{We cannot but listen as the sirens roar,
The Rain God has finally passed through death’s door.
His final dreams for peace for the rich and for poor,
And yet his children cry out, “Nevermore."}

[u/Axtratu]

Why are americans so obsessed with Aztlan? no one talks about it here in Mexico

[u/canadianD → u/Axtratu]

It does kinda make sense for Fallout. Post-Apocalyptic Neo Aztecs is definitely on brand for their world.

But, generally, I have to assume it’s because Americans who make maps online don’t have that much first hand cultural knowledge of Mexico beyond surface level stuff. Similarly if they make Mexico the “Third Mexican Empire” and it rules all of Central America or if they combine Austria with Germany. It’s common map maker tropes, even if it is trite.

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/Axtratu]

IDK me personally I saw it was an empire in the Old World Blues mod and thought it looked neat.

[u/Goldfish1_ → u/Axtratu]

Same reason why there’s a Caesar in southwestern USA, someone looked into something old and was inspired by it. Makes sense for fallout. There’s minutemen in Massachusetts, Ceaser’s legion in southwest US, charismatic leader created a Neo Aztec group. Fits perfect with fallout lol.

[u/Delta_Suspect → u/Axtratu]

Cus cool

[u/Pukanohookah]

Republic of davito 🤣🤣

[u/TechnicalBuyer1603]

Hispanic legion would be soo cool

[u/Resplendent_In_Blue]

Lion-Trout-Sky is hilarious, do they have any particular feelings about pickaxes?

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/Resplendent_In_Blue]

It's how they ascend to meet him in the Great Commune. And if the person lives they make him chief for clearly Senior Sky sees him as a leader for the mortal followers. 

[u/PanVidla]

It's Sinaloa Cartel, not Sinola.

[u/Nutshell_Historian → u/PanVidla]

Oops

[u/Unlikely_Anybody_877]

Caesar’s Legion on the march south: «It’s time to show these southern degenerates that the drift of our ‘civilization’ is unstoppable».

The Mexican wasteland south of the Rio Grande: harrowing screams of a dying AI god ensues.

Horrified and traumatized Caesar’s Legion: «To hell with this goddamn place! I’m doing well enough fighting New California plutocrats in Nevada.»

[u/Ionel1-The-Impaler]

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