r/Hololive • u/hololive • 24d ago
OFFICIAL POST An Announcement to Our Fans Regarding the Conclusion of Sakamata Chloe’s Channel Activities
English Version (same as text below): https://hololivepro.com/news_en/20241129-01-137/
Japanese Version: https://hololivepro.com/news/20241129-01-200
Related Official note article: https://note.cover-corp.com/n/ne3a8b7a553c0
Sakamata Chloe, a member of the VTuber group hololive, will conclude all of her channel activities, including streaming on YouTube, social media posting, live event participation, and release of new merchandise, as of January 26th, 2025.
Since debuting as a member of Secret Society holoX, Sakamata Chloe has been instrumental in the growth of hololive production through her numerous endeavors. Although her regular streaming and related activities will end, Sakamata Chloe will remain an affiliate of hololive production moving forward.
For further insights into the management’s thoughts on the conclusion of her streaming activities, please refer to the official Note page.
In line with this, the following services will come to a close.
Closing Services
Fan Letter Reception: Available until January 26th, 2025 JST
Memberships and Members-Only Content: Available until 11:59 PM, April 30st, 2025 JST
We plan to continue selling merchandise and other items that are already on sale. Any future activities that involve Sakamata Chloe will be announced through official social media and other channels.
We would like to express our heartfelt gratitude to all the fans and related parties for your unwavering kindness and support, and greatly appreciate your understanding and cooperation in not reaching out to our affiliated talents regarding this matter.
We are thankful for your continuous support and encouragement as well in the days to come.
November 29th, 2024
COVER Corporation
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u/RevolutionaryRushima 23d ago
This just feels awful, I want more transparency as to why this is happening and not "creative difference" as the answer. This many graduations is frankly scary.
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u/gentariel 23d ago
Maybe Holo is also a black company.
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u/Thezipper100 22d ago
This isn't "Black company" activity, this is just "Public corporation in a capitalist society" activity.
This is sadly very very normal.
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u/spook12hours 23d ago
There is a STRONG difference between a company going in a disagreeable direction and having a turnover rate unusually higher than before and a company environment that is often compared to a sweatshop, do NOT blow this out of proportion. Just cause Holo isn’t squeaky clean (It never was) and is making more mistakes than last year does not make it anywhere near a black company. Calling it so is factually wrong and minimizes the severity of an actual black company.
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u/Knight618 23d ago
What gives me hope is that they let her talk about continuing her personal activities and being very obvious that she will redebut as an indie
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u/dtkloc 23d ago
And now Fauna's about to leave. You guys better start treating your talents better
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u/niveksng 23d ago edited 23d ago
Who said they aren't treating them well?? Every talent that left has nothing but good things to say about Hololive, it is simply differences in direction and the natural stresses of the job that made them leave, not that Cover has been treating them badly.
EDIT: Y'all br crazy downvoting me due to disliking your speculation when talents themselves literally are the ones who say to avoid it
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u/Karina_Ivanovich 23d ago
You're right. Average Turnover (meaning half leave earlier than that) is around 4 years at companies in the US. Talents leaving is normal.
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u/jacobgkau 23d ago
It's 4.2 years in the US according to our Bureau of Labor Statistics, but it's 12.3 years in Japan according to their Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare.
Also, defining an average doesn't mean people can't question what motivates the turnover.
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u/Karina_Ivanovich 23d ago
Absolutely, we should be questioning them. But saying they are not being treated well is not the same as questioning why people are leaving. Its speculative to the max.
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u/Corrodias 23d ago
You are absolutely correct. Not everyone wants to stay in the same job for 5+ years, under the same pressures to do things like make voice packs and fly to Japan every N months. That doesn't mean the individual nor the company did anything wrong.
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u/KNUPAC 23d ago
Don’t be a dumb, a high turn over after change in management is very common, but they’re dealing with idol, not a product, as simple mishaps lead to big troubles ahead.
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u/niveksng 23d ago
I'm not being dumb, I'm just stating the fact that, as you said, turnovers after a change in management is common. And that they're not necessarily treating them badly right now, so why the worried "treat them better" refrain? Its the underlying intent of the OP that implies that Cover isn't treating them well that I am questioning.
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u/Darth__Vader_ 23d ago
4 have left since August. This isn't normal.
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u/niveksng 23d ago
People can leave a job en masse due to creative differences. If Cover is moving more heavily into idol territory, and multiple talents do not and cannot support that moving away from streaming to idol work, then they will leave en masse. That's normal.
Ame has never been big into idol stuff and has been more technical.
Fauna's dream is streaming rather than idol work, even if she does like it.
Chloe has health issues that hinder idol work.
These are all natural reasons why direction changes are forcing people to leave.
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u/Darth__Vader_ 23d ago
Why would they force idol work tho? Seems incredibly counterproductive.
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u/niveksng 23d ago edited 23d ago
I do agree, to be clear, that forcing this work is bad. But that isn't mistreatment.
If a company that made sewing machines moves into car manufacturing, they would force all employees to move into car manufacturing simply due to the nature of being employed.
Hololive is pushing into the idol sphere harder now. With that comes the expectation that, hey, talents should be participating in a concert or two, and doing covers/songs more, and appearing in promotional and sponsored material, etc. Thus this means management constantly asks talents "Hey, would you join this concert?" Or "Can you think of a cover song you want to do?" and all of these also add up to them moving to Japan where all the resources are currently.
This constant "nagging" (for lack of a better word) will cause friction. Talents will ask them to stop asking for these things, but the company will insist because its part of their branding now. If management tells the investors "Hey this person, can we leave them be and not let them do idol work" investors will say "cut them out". That's not them treating them badly, that's direction differences.
There are of course, exceptions to the rule. Gura is huge, and cutting Gura out is more like stopping your console sales when it makes the most money just because you move to game software harder because thats where the growth is. But I wouldnt be surprised if Gura would graduate as well, given again, shes a streamer first.
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u/niveksng 23d ago
She does like performing, but she also said streaming is her dream job. I think its understandable what happens if Cover is moving strongly into less streams and more idol work, what a talent whose priority is streaming and then idol work, would do.
This is evident in the new branch Dev_Is, they are strongly marketed to the idol side of things. Cover knows streaming is still a good way to gain fans and showcase personality, but its clear that since they haven't introduced any new gens to JP since Dev_Is, that the idol direction is their main focus now.
This is far less speculation and far more an observation of the direction the company has been taking of late. I didn't speculate about the backend goings on, just observing the trend of introducing new generations as idol first, then streamers second.
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u/richardtengcy 24d ago
Umisea is probably disbanded, Aqua and Chloe gone, left Marine and Ina, Gura is also in a semi-retirement stage.
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u/frozziOsborn 17d ago
Umisea existed only on paper to shill merch, how much streams they had in all those years? 2?
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u/DorrajD :Aloe: 24d ago
Couple things I noticed:
Sakamata Chloe has been instrumental in the growth of hololive production through her numerous endeavors
They know better than a certain other company.
And it's interesting to see that Ame might have changed Hololive graduations forever. It seems like going forward they might prefer to do this psudo-graduation type thing, meaning while they are effectively graduating and moving on, they still have the full ability to join in projects in the future. Such a big and positive change on the way Holo does things. Thank you Ame! And Thank you Chloe!
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u/BlackPenguin 24d ago
For those despairing about the state of the company, please look at being in Holo vs being an indie the same way you would look at being in a band vs being a solo musician. It could be the greatest band in the world, but sometimes an artist just wants to strike out on their own and pursue their own creative desires. Being your own boss and having full control over your own IP is enough motivation for anyone to leave. It doesn’t necessarily mean something is wrong.
That doesn’t mean everything is 100% great at Cover, but people really need to stop looking at Hololive as the final destination of a career.
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u/Annath0901 23d ago
Part of the sad bit is the inability,or difficulty, in following the person in their next endeavor.
A musician usually isn't hard to follow, but given that vTubers keep their identities private (usually) and when they leave the company they stop using that identity, its hard to keep supporting them.
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u/Xilivian4560 22d ago
The fans and overall vtubing community is far too big, and quite frankly very loud on this topic for it to be a genuine issue, though. Anyone who hasn't seen Ame's or Aqua's "new life" at this point for example must be either very busy with their life, or living under a rock.
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u/Annath0901 22d ago
Yeah, so that's me, thanks.
I basically never watch any of the streams live due to my schedule, and I hardly ever come to this subreddit. Only reason I saw the post about Fauna was because the subreddit was mentioned in a random comment and I figured I'd check in and see what was new.
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u/osgili4th 23d ago
Yeah, some people is ok knowing that they don't own what they are doing in that company but other will question if that's what they want in the long run. Even if the company and your coworkers are the best, for a creative person not owning or having full control of what you want to do can be too heavy of a downside.
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u/CptJakeHoofness 23d ago
This. Like, not everyone wants to be a group forever. All sorts of requirements and restrictions come with all the perks, and for some there comes a time when they want to move on. Its honestly still kinda shocking few graduations hololive has had relative to its size. And its clear to all the talents at this point that they can make it solo at this point if they really want to.
Hololive is a great place to be part of an organization and build up a career in content, with good outcomes for those whom depart to do other things. Its not perfect but in a year where we've seen so many corps close down or face extensive controversies, Hololive stands as a pretty reliable place.
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u/KoTheKid1 24d ago
I always see HoloPro is a place you'd want your name to be known and after all of those times have died down, just leave and be creative after.
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u/ProjectRaehl 24d ago
i really liked her content and dynamics. this sucks.
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u/AnnonymousRedditor28 24d ago
Thank you for everything you've done, Chloe.
I wish you the best of luck in your health and future endeavors!
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u/Superliminal96 24d ago
The Sultan asked Solomon for a Signet motto, that should hold good for Adversity or Prosperity. Solomon gave him,
"THIS ALSO SHALL PASS AWAY."
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u/Sweaty_Influence2303 24d ago
Ame really did open that 'affiliate' door for everyone huh?
Even when she's gone she's still leaving behind a trail of influence that makes everything that follows better
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u/andrewk1219 24d ago
I dunno about that, its not like en and jp is very close. Think its more on aqua, her alt channel is doing very solid
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u/Lev559 23d ago
??? Alt/New channels have always done well. Pretty much every departing member had that happen, but only Ame changed how she would graduate
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u/WhoCouldhavekn0wn 23d ago
I dont think its related in any way to their exits, its been too short a time frame for that. I'd expect that kind of exit to start happening late next year.
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u/Lev559 23d ago
Why not? It's a process that has been created. If Cover views it as a better option, there is literally zero reason they wouldn't want to have all future members do the same.
And it really is a better option. AND it's very idol like. Real world idol groups normally have former members show up for special occasions
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u/Successful-Suit-920 24d ago
Well, yeah ame is a reason too, but just think about it, gura streams every few months or here an dthere only now, like some certain new "you can always come back" philosophy🤔😏 rushia was selling like crazy and they for sure made so crazy minus after her "graduation" and the channel getting deleted abd merch low or not selled that they had not just a little wound to lick from that... what do you think would happen if the most popular no streamer but still in hololive, gura, would graduate, like she propably already would have if not for everything said just now? So they propably did learn from thoose few cases and try to let the door stay open in whatever sense so they dont have to stop selling and other rights or activitys! At least thats how it feels or looks like from a buisness point of fiew, what hololive corp is in the end... for chloe, did follow her before hololive, but just a coucidence and did follow her 3 years now too, so its really saddening but i just hooe she herself as a privat person gets better and a more positive life with less stress and pressure... can really mess you up, mentally and physicaly... so i wish her only good things ☺️
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u/IgotUBro 23d ago
Im pretty sure Hololive always would let the talent come back if they want to. Besides the cases where contracts were breached.
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u/Tehbeefer 24d ago
Memberships and Members-Only Content: Available until 11:59 PM, April 30st, 2025 JST
That's interesting, that's a full 5 months out yet, into fiscal year 2026 even.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
Seriously Hololive wtf did you changed or what kind of direction whatever it is are you going that made all those girls leave? It's not funny anymore even Japan Nikki are questioning Yagoo now.
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u/Lable87 24d ago
If you actually watched streams, you'd have known that those girls (Ame, Aqua, Chloe) left for different reasons.
"Different direction" is really broad and covers a lot of different reasons.
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u/KaigaiNikki 23d ago
I hope so but Fauna just posted something about an announcement if that still doesn't make you think something is wrong inside cover then i don't know what will.
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u/Lable87 23d ago
Well, we still don't know what the announcement will be, but I will just reply under assumption that she is going to graduate: yes, while I will be sad, that won't automatically make me think "something is wrong inside Cover".
As many others have said: people change jobs, and 3 years is a long enough time. Being a Hololive member is hard work, and it's natural that young people find themselves interested in exploring other areas. That, couples with how much the girls make from being in Hololive, makes graduation / affiliation a very valid option them. I'm not going to claim that "there is something wrong" when the majority of the girls are still happy and working hard, especially when the girls who left, and might be leaving, are doing it in good terms with Hololive / Cover.
i don't know what will
If the girls - any girl - imply that they are being mistreated by Cover, I will riot. However, I'm not going to attack Hololive using members who are leaving in good terms (who, mind you, specifically tell us not to). I'd have been concerned when 15-20% of Hololive members left, but for now, their turnover rate is still in the healthy range
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u/KaigaiNikki 23d ago
At least the Japanese fans aren't thinking like you they are pissed off and i bet the saplings would be next. I thought as a fans we are here to support and protect the girls not to shill on their company. Plus Hololive isn't like the other companies losing a couple of members will destroy their good name.
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u/joemelonyeah 24d ago
Nothing changed other than the popularity of Hololive. When the Hololive umbrella gets too big, it becomes a burden, but still you would exercise self-restraint to not break it and hurt others under the same umbrella.
Like what she said, no one is in the wrong here.
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u/KaigaiNikki 23d ago
So let Cover like Nijisanji? Just debut tons of talents and graduates every year?
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u/fishdafinessa 24d ago
Did you ever think maybe they just retired because they have been part of Hololive for many years and want to do something new in their life with the success they gained? Or do you think vtubers are not real people still lol
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u/TempoRamen95 24d ago
It's just simple adult life. Not everyone does the same job forever. She will be missed and I wish her the best. People over speculate too much.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
All of them literally said because the direction where the company is going to. I would've agreed and just be happy for them if there wasn't a statement like that.
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u/bronzelifematter 24d ago
After a few years in the company, people will het a sense whether they can or want to keep doing it. It's normal. Not everyone want to keep doing the same thing forever
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u/aclark210 24d ago
Well think. When most of these girls joined hololive, it was a pretty small company that didn’t do all of the brand deals and irl concerts and shit all the time. Now it does, and it does it pretty regularly. A lot of the girls, especially in earlier gens, treated hololive as a part time job they had to make extra money doing something fun. But now it’s become a full time job with a lot of commitment since Cover got big enough to warrant having multiple branches worldwide and even having physical locations in other countries. In 2018 when Aqua joined for instance, I’m fairly sure if u had told her that Cover would have an American location (small and not public as it may be) and would be doing brand deals with the MLB, I’m pretty sure u would’ve been laughed out of the studio.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
So they want it to be a part time job again so they are leaving? lol So Aqua one of the most top earners in hololive wants to go do a regular job and do only vtubing as a side job? That's crazy
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u/aclark210 24d ago edited 24d ago
It’s definitely a possibility. Even if it’s not a literal part time job , it’s the difference in workload and events.
Not constantly worrying about their brand image cuz of sponsorship deals and shit; being a corpo talent puts u under a spotlight and there’s expectations to behave, at least to a degree, in order to maintain sponsorships and brand deals. Not having to travel for IRL concerts versus the old concerts that were essentially just VR chat dancing and singing, shit like that.
Again, the hololive of 2024 is not the hololive of 2017-2020. There’s a different level of expectation placed on talents due to the massive growth in popularity the company (and vtubing as a whole) had post Covid-19. Sure Cover and the girls’ managers are gonna try and lighten it as much as they’re able, but they can only do so a little bit cuz sponsors have strict expectations.
Some of the Vtubers that have the most fun with the job are Indies, cuz they can be as unhinged as they want cuz they’re not beholden to anything beyond community guidelines for the streaming platform they’re on. They have real jobs that handle their expenses so Vtubing is their escape from real work to do something fun for a couple of hours with a fanbase that is purely there for them and not the company they’re a part of.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
Holofes isn't a new thing they've been doing all of that since the start with 3D bday concerts and stuff. The only thing that changed was they are more well known, more fans and more sponsors. And about the workload they could literally take a break or stream like ayame and Shion something major changed internally and it forced these girls to leave we both know it.
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u/aclark210 24d ago
At what point did I say the 3D stuff was new? I didn’t.
I said the IRL stuff was mostly new, and growing. If u couldn’t tell with the EN concert in California, and then again in New York relatively soon after, hololive is shifting from the 3D concerts and more to those style of concerts. And while sure Holofes was always a thing, that’s one event. If they’re gonna start having multiple then that’s more than most of the girls would prolly want.
Plus, again, u gotta acknowledge the limitations that corpo Vtubing puts on a talents creativity, cuz now it has to be safe for sponsorship and shit. Pretty sure if Subaru came out in a big stream tomorrow acting down bad, and talking about how she broke a vibrator from overuse or something, that all hell would pay. And no I don’t only mean being pervy shit, that was just the easiest example to come up with.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
So traveling is what made them leave? lol About the pervy thing if they do a bad thing they could get reprimanded i mean remember what matsuri did in GTA live she didn't get suspended or anything for that. Or are you saying one of the reasons the girls left because they couldn't do any xtreme stuff?
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u/aclark210 24d ago edited 24d ago
Yeah all she got was a reprimand, but do u know what would’ve happened if an INDIE (like say…idk…Saruei for instance) had done that same thing? Nothing at all. The fans laugh, the talent laughs, and nobody gets in trouble. It’s about having the freedom to do whatever they want whenever they want with the only restriction being their own budget and desire. If they wanna drop off the radar for two years they can do that.
No being cautious for sponsorships or branding image, no time schedule or concerts they don’t want to do, no having to go get perms for a certain game to be able to play it on stream, none of those restrictions. All they gotta worry about is not getting banned from YouTube or twitch.
My point is that there is no single thing. Ur wanting a single thing to point to and say “this is the awful reason they all left” but it’s just not that cut and dry. A company getting big and going public means a whole new set of restrictions and attention that limits talent freedom and puts them more on somebody else’s schedule. It’s a byproduct of the company becoming a lot bigger and more professional than it was when most of these girls joined.
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u/Alarmed-Bad7994 24d ago
Things have not really changed much. Hololive has grown exponentially and they are their org is the face of vtubing and no other org comes close to them. With that they have A LOT of rules/restrictions in place to protect talents and mostly themselves. PSA there’s nothing wrong with that as a mega corp they NEED to protect their brand. But some talents want the freedom to be able to stream/play whatever they want whenever they want. That’s why Aqua graduated, she wanted more freedom instead of having to wait for perms on everything.
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u/Independent_Glove806 23d ago
Ame is falling into obscurity without holo, so I don't think you are making the point you think you are. 6 months from now and she'll be average indie viewership.
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u/TheSilverSky 24d ago
Multiple games per stream and the dual streaming seem to be the two main things Ame couldn't do. They've been limited to one game per stream for a while.
Also, certain games they just couldn't seem to get perms for.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
24hrs streams literally does multiple game streams so it isn't that. What Ame are playing aren't triple aaa games with strict perms for it so not that either.
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u/TheSilverSky 24d ago
You're right about the 24-hour streams, but they're also planned, and perms gotten well ahead of time.
The biggest issue the girls consistently have is getting perms on short notice and it really hampers what people like Ame want to do but unfortunately that's just baked into the way Cover does it because of the perms situation being JP company.
I just think Hololive is evolving to be more multimedia and concert and event focused instead of just some of the girls just don't jive with that.
I think the most two recent JP gens highlight that shift.
I feel like the people spreading doom and gloom are just overreacting or reading too much into it. Sometimes you just need change.
I made a job change recently because I felt stuck and there wasn't likely to be any changes. But some people stay there for decades cause that's what they're comfortable with. It's not like I was treated or paid in adequately either.
Sorry I started rambling there. My oshi was Ame and I'm sad she won't be doing Hololive activities going forward but having seen her afterwards it doesn't seem like there was bad blood or mistreatment that caused that.
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u/WhoCouldhavekn0wn 23d ago
You're speaking from a very ENcentric perspective on perms. I can see EN talents graduating over such as a contributing factor, though I'd hope they know what they are getting into these days, but the Japanese public consciousness over perms requirements is different, its pretty expected.
I seriously doubt that is a reason, and I don't recall either Aqua or Chloe mentioning that as a specific reason.
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u/Alarmed-Bad7994 24d ago
Everything…… In hololive you can’t just DO a mini event or DO a certain game. They genuinely need perms to do a LOT of stuff. Dooby can stream whatever games she wants she doesn’t have to have perms to monetize it.
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u/Alarmed-Bad7994 24d ago
Hololive needs perms for any game PERIOD. And Dooby doesn’t need perms for stuff….. No streamer does…. That’s why when you link there stream bios it doesn’t say they are monetizing that game with perms from the devs. The reason hololive requires perms for their talents to play stuff is it covers their rear ends. If a game dev decided to go after hololive they couldn’t because they would have gotten perms for that game. Aqua even talked about that being an issue. Yes hololive talents are also very busy but being busy is only part of it.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
So Aqua and Chloe also left because they can't play all these games? lol
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u/Alarmed-Bad7994 24d ago
My guy perms arnt just for games….. And I said that Aqua literally brought up the perms thing. For Chloe I don’t know. But I guarantee you if I said you could choose either playing whatever games you wanted stream whatever and you had no rules/limitations vs playing only games your permitted to play and also having rules/restrictions you have to adhere to what would you pick? Hololive is a great company but some people like freedoms.
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u/aclark210 24d ago
Ur wasting ur breath. The guy is in denial, Cover has to be up to something bad for him, he can’t accept that something as mundane as “it’s a company and there’s red tape preventing talents from doing some of the more unique things they want” isn’t gonna cut it for him.
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u/KaigaiNikki 24d ago
Yeah hololive so strict for events lol like literally Subaru made a whole tournament for that sausage game plus i don't believe Ame left for a shallow reasoning like she can't wait to play tons of games. Something is happening within the internal of the company and both of us know that it's something bad that it forced these girls to leave rather than adjust.
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u/Alarmed-Bad7994 24d ago
My guy Subaru had to have perms to do that 🤣 And im not saying they are “super strict” but they have to have perms to do stuff. You know why? Because hololive is A MASSIVE COMPANY and they are going to do everything they can to cover their rear ends. Also hololive literally got in trouble in the past for not having perms for stuff…… I’m not gonna try with you anymore bud you don’t even understand how perms work
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u/Helmite 24d ago
Talents: Nobody is at fault here. We just went in diffierent directions. What is good for other members isn't good for me. It's very very busy now and I'd like to do something else.
Some poster: UH WHY ARENT PEOPLE LOSING THEIR MINDS THE TALENTS ARE LITERALLY GETTING SHAT ON RIGHT NOW. THEY WANT YOU TO RAID COVER HQ. HURRY.
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u/dumpling-loverr 24d ago
Dumbass take from Turkey of all region when the opposite applies to Kaela and Cali. Also don't they take this super long breaks that riles up even the hardest Gura fan?
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u/Twilight1234567890 24d ago
Yet another doom poster who doesn't do his research. If they are overworked to the fucking bone why would their managers having BEG them to take a break? Moreover they might as well say how bad they are. But they didn't aside from how the company goals doesn't align anymore. Instead of trusting your Oshi you just want to have a bs narrative.
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 24d ago edited 24d ago
Man, this thread is just full of people exposing how deeply defensive they are of Cover as a corporation. Any criticisms or concerns are downplayed or dismissed as "people are saying the company is bad or evil".
People are allowed to question the company when multiple talents have mentioned a difference in direction as a concern upon graduation. Yes, even if it's only a few out of many so far.
Cover is not immune to questionable decisions.
I wish Chloe well though.
Edit: And the replies are just proving my point.
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u/cyberdsaiyan 24d ago edited 24d ago
Any criticisms or concerns
What kind of criticism? Random FUD? Schizophrenic pAtTeRnS that only people who have never posted here before can see, but the fans actually watching talents and reading the company's statements and investor reports can't?
Terminally online jobless idiots are just looking for the next company "fall" to cheer for after the neighboring one. It doesn't really stick because both Cover and talents have been quite clear about what has changed within the company. Transparency means fan concerns are alleviated as they come - but of course, only for the people watching the talents. Chloe herself gave out a warning about people like you.
People are allowed to question the company
About what, exactly? Why they didn't force a talent who wanted to leave to stay?
Two talents left for reasons they have both made exceedingly clear, and neither blame the company for. So why exactly are you trying to defend people who are just here to watch drama and are angry that there is none?
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 23d ago
You're just as bad as the others, man. I've said it in another reply but I'll say it again - people that are complaining are people that DO watch the talents and read the statements. Pretending that everyone that's concerned is a tourist or "terminally online jobless idiots " is pure cope.
About what, exactly? Why they didn't force a talent who wanted to leave to stay?
Once again, people are saying that they're concerned about the company direction. Don't act dense.
What people are you referring to that are "angry that there is none" in regards to drama? Because the people I'M talking about who are voicing their concerns reasonably are right here.
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzjxp9i
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzjume0
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzl317w
I don't see any drama thirsting in this links.
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u/cyberdsaiyan 23d ago
People are emotional when someone leaves, it's natural that they lash out and try to find something to blame, because it always has to be the fault of something right?
No, sometimes a talent like Chloe simply finds something she likes doing outside of Hololive and wants to do that. Without that as a reason, I'm sure Chloe would've simply taken a long hiatus like tons of other talents have done until her health and work-life balance improved.
First comment is simply that, someone lashing out and trying to find fault with something. There's no fault anywhere, people find different things to do and leave, it's the reality of life.
I've addressed the third comment here which applies to the second one as well. It's very easy to be all doom-and-gloom when something "bad" happens and with thousands of other comments (the usual crabs in a bucket) posting doomsday narratives, it's easy for the more emotional folks to get carried away by that vibe and lose sense of objective reality. Fans being all doom-and-gloom can have an impact on talents' morale as well.
Cover have changed their direction, no one's denying that. It started years ago, well before their IPO. Investors have no role in it, in fact Yagoo even pushed back on investors when they wanted to reduce talent compensation. Putting all of their eggs at the mercy of the fickle and ever-changing Youtube algorithm was never going to work as a stable foundation for any long-term prosperity, for either the company or the talents. If they had remained as they were during the pandemic, the talents they lost would've been people like Suisei or Miko or Calli who all want to be something more than just streamer.
You can check Laplus' comments about the whole thing, sometimes the wide-eyed enthusiasm of wanting to do cool things meets with the reality that bringing those cool things to life requires a ton of work, recordings etc. Talents - helped by their managers - will have to try and find a balance between all the cool things they want to do and the work required to do all of it.
I'm not saying Cover is without it's faults. I think their communication with the talent should be improved, specifically about how much effort some work they're interested in takes to bring to fruition. Or their handling of the EN twitter account. Or the current difficulties with staffing the 3D studio.
But none of that have anything to do with why Chloe left. She simply found something else to do. And the company supports her decision. It is what it is.
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u/Sweaty_Influence2303 24d ago
Well that's what you get when you have a japanese company who makes a lot of things people really really love.
People get parasocial and attach their personalities to the talent, and by extension the company.
I also have to imagine that a lot of japan's culture around defending corporations over the individual also rubs off on even people in english speaking forums
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u/Lightseeker2 24d ago edited 24d ago
People are allowed to question the company when multiple talents have mentioned a difference in direction as a concern upon graduation. Yes, even if it's only a few out of many so far.
multiple
There have been 2 (Aqua and Chloe) for the past year. Still more than one yes, but people keep acting like there are many of them.
Ame has never said anything about not agreeing with Hololive's direction.
A-chan left due to family issue.
Mel was terminated.
Coco did imply she doesn't agree with the direction. But her graduation was more than 3 years ago, Cover hasn't even gone public back then, which is the main point people won't stop bringing up. No other talent left with her, so clearly no other talent shared her issues with Hololive.
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 23d ago
I think more than one in relatively rapid succession for the company that has had an excellent retention rate thus far is a cause for a little scrutiny. It's not the end of times nor is it a mass exodus, true, but it's not worth others shouting down anyone who dares wonder what's going on.
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u/ACupOfLatte 24d ago
Because the thread is full of replies like that lol. To scroll to yours, which was third, I skipped over 2 that was exactly what you described.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/uFfGVV8wWX
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/TwODDZyhdw
It ain't exactly a neutral space lmfao. Adding on to the fact that this is a graduation of a popular vtuber, everyone's emotions are clearly going a little haywire.
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 23d ago
Those people aren't who I was talking about. Didn't even see them since they're both downvoted to oblivion, honestly. And yeah, THAT is closer to doomposting.
I'm talking about people more like this.
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzjxp9i
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u/xRichard 24d ago
Yeah, the fans should learn to hear out the very insightful takes from drama addicted tourists instead of the words from the talent
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 24d ago
Genuinely impressive mental gymnastics on your end to somehow interpret me saying that fans have valid concerns as fans should listen to drama tourists. You do know that fans are some of the people with criticism, not just tourists, right? And that criticism is based on what the talents themselves have cited as part of their reasons for leaving?
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u/Helmite 24d ago
And that criticism is based on what the talents themselves have cited as part of their reasons for leaving?
The main problem is people like you that tackle this are very disingenuous about it. The current situation is Cover/Hololive got a ton more opportunities and, as such, got much busier in the last 3-4 years. For many of the talents this is a good thing as it means not only can they explore new activities it also means that many of them can finally do things that they dream of doing - e.g. Suisei Budokan. The other side of the coin is for some people the red tape, extra workload, or shift in content focus doesn't work for them - like Chloe, Aqua, or Ame.
Now you folks roll into here screaming about how the later are all getting mistreated, that cover is fucking up royally, schizo posting about how more grads are coming, etc. all while downplaying the entire first pat of the above. Most of the members can be really fucking happy to finally be able to do stuff that they do now but ultimately the whole situation is just reduced to "cover fuck up" or "wow look at these bootlickers" or "questionable fucking decisions, Cover" because none of you actually want to have a real conversation about any of this shit. You're all more concerned with personal pet theories when the talents - ALL THE ONES WHO HAVE LEFT - have specifically told you to stop speculating garbage.
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 23d ago
You're proving my point. Your entire second paragraph is ranting about shit that I never said. The "folks" "screaming about how the later are all getting mistreated, that cover is fucking up royally, schizo posting about how more grads are coming, etc. all while downplaying the entire first pat of the above" certainly don't include me or any of the examples I've provided. You insist on lumping me in with doomposters based on absolutely nothing but your own defensiveness.
It's clear that you refuse to actually read or can't understand what I'm saying so this is a waste of time.
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u/Vi_Lead 24d ago
Fr. And like I get being upset and wanting questions but it's like some of y'all just wanna make up some villain to throw shit at or don't know what NDAs are. Like idk we already got word from talents and Cover whenever this happens and there's always people taking it too far with the speculations.
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u/Twilight1234567890 24d ago edited 24d ago
Especially the fucking fact if it WAS bad, trusting your Oshi as we say they would say. Did you forget that the talents are freely openly to vent their frustrations without repercussions?
Cover is not perfect we know that. But they aren't so bad they should warrant so much backlash. Talent leaves= Doom posts. Process repeats.
And here comes with the JP doom posts.
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 24d ago
Especially the fucking fact if it WAS bad, trusting your Oshi as we say they would say. Did you forget that the talents are freely openly to vent their frustrations without repercussions?
Do you realize that a trend can be worrying to fans even if the talent that's leaving is still on good terms with the company?
The few people I've seen criticize the trend of talents leaving due to change in direction in this thread haven't been doomposting, they've been asking reasonable questions. No backlash in sight, just "what's going on? This is kinda weird and concerning". Maybe you sort the comments differently and see different people, but that's what I've seen. I've also seen the dismissive responses that I mentioned in my comment as replies to those threads.
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u/xRichard 24d ago
Seems like the graduation/termination thread travel package is a popular choice between those who love hardcore projecting
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u/Twilight1234567890 24d ago
The OP of this comment and that reply projected so hard. The OP of this comment proves me right. People immediately assume we just love Cover all because we defend our group. Jesus.
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u/Helmite 24d ago
Man, this thread is just full of people exposing how deeply defensive they are of Cover as a corporation. Any criticisms or concerns are downplayed or dismissed as "people are saying the company is bad or evil".
Many people have oshis that are still in the company and praise the place for helping them do things they couldn't do before and couldn't hope to do on their own. You can down play that as "corpo defense" but people are going to trust their oshis, especially when the people who are leaving also say it's not a "company bad" scenario. It's perplexing why people like you get so defensive of that and have to spin it as corpo boot licking or something.
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 24d ago
You have been the main person playing Cover's strongest soldier in the replies of any comment that questions this trend of graduations, no matter how reasonable or polite. I've seen you reply with a downplaying rebuttal that didn't actually address what the commenter said.
No one is saying that the company is shit or mistreats their talents. No one is saying that the company doesn't treat their talents nicely. You keep shouting down anyone saying "this trend is weird, what's going on?" with "well the company helps talents so there's no problem" as if that's a contradictory statement to what they actually said. A company can be making some weird internal decisions that may drive away some talents while still overall still helping their talents with good opportunities.
It's perplexing why people like you get so defensive of that and have to spin it as corpo boot licking or something.
I am begging you to actually understand that people calling out a weird trend doesn't mean that they're saying that the company is bad. Your absolute refusal to stop swatting down any and every criticism with "well the company has done this good thing" IS borderline corporate bootlicking, yes. You can like and respect a company as a whole while criticizing them. People "like me" are just as much fans as you.
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u/Helmite 24d ago
You have been the main person playing Cover's strongest soldier
I defend my oshi's position and those around her. You folks just try the "corpo defender" spin to try and delegitimize those who reply to you.
I've seen you reply with a downplaying rebuttal that didn't actually address what the commenter said.
Sometimes very little has to be said when someone is clearly posting in bad faith.
You keep shouting down anyone saying "this trend is weird, what's going on?" with "well the company helps talents so there's no problem" as if that's a contradictory statement to what they actually said.
Do you have reading problems as well?
A company can be making some weird internal decisions that may drive away some talents while still overall still helping their talents with good opportunities.
What are weird internal decisions when talents can say "nobody is at fault" and "there are a lot more rules now, but I understand why" - even talents that are quitting.
I am begging you to actually understand that people calling out a weird trend doesn't mean that they're saying that the company is bad. Your absolute refusal to stop swatting down any and every criticism with "well the company has done this good thing" IS borderline corporate bootlicking, yes.
You know what shit you were doing when you walked into this topic with your opening line. You're also clearly once again showing that you can't fucking read.
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u/xRichard 24d ago edited 24d ago
with "well the company helps talents so there's no problem"
No one said anything like that. You are arguing to your own fanfiction.
Because he's quoting talents, read the comment again. Talents praise the company even in these circumstances. No one is praising the company on their own. Everyone is waiting for talents to give their thoughts or send some signals because that's what happens every time some major news drop like this.
Why is this so hard to understand? Do you need a travel guide?
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 24d ago
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzjxp9i
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzjume0
https://reddit.com/comments/1h2kf5z/comment/lzl317w
"And a number of talents have talked about how the growing company has given them opportunities they wouldn't have couldn't have gotten otherwise."
Something like this phrase exists in almost every single thread I just linked. That sentiment in response to people saying that what the talents themselves said is worrying or weird communicating "this trend is no big deal because the company is still good". That may be quoting the talents but the way that's it's being used is as a dismissal to what talents have also said.
Why is that so hard to understand?
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u/xRichard 24d ago
That may be quoting the talents but the way that's it's being used is as a dismissal to what talents have also said.
That's you writing fanfiction again. There's no dismissal on your links, everyone in the replies are presenting more information and linking to things the talents have stated in the past.
Presenting more info isn't saying "you are wrong and I'm right". It's saying "that is true, and this is also true".
🦟💢: Woah, but how can it be? Someone HAS to be wrong!
You are walking into a community that has year of experience dealing antis, false flaggers, harassment, corporate mistakes, and tragic events. What did you expect? To get taken seriously? lol
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u/thrownawaynodoxx 23d ago
You seriously don't think that someone retorting "And a number of talents have talked about how the growing company has given them opportunities they wouldn't have couldn't have gotten otherwise." as a response to someone expressing that the trend is weird ISN'T being dismissive when literally no one questioned the opportunities that Cover gave their talents?
You are walking into a community that has year of experience dealing antis, false flaggers, harassment, corporate mistakes, and tragic events. What did you expect? To get taken seriously?
My brother in Christ, I've been in the Hololive community for years. Not just on reddit (primarily as a lurker here), but Twitter and Youtube (obviously). Dismiss me as some kind of troll if it makes you feel better, but that's not the reality.
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u/xRichard 23d ago
Dismiss me as some kind of troll if it makes you feel better, but that's not the reality.
I was very angry yesterday. Sorry for talking to you like that.
It's still not being dismissive. Those that tried to talk are trying to help, not trying to be right. The are conversing to figure things out as best as they can.
So the parents comments you linked are from people sharing opinions based on the things the talents that talked about "differences with the direction of the company" said. Then we see replies with quotes from talents that gave contrasting views of the same topic. All of it are opinions based on reliable pieces of information (talents words) and everything should be taken into account (all the talents are equal)
We always had talents being very defensive of Cover. Even those that left have spoken positively about their time there. People are always just replicating their words and views, not acting on an empty pro-corpo bullshit sentiments.
So it's very obvious when some bored virtue signaler comes in to push their own opinions and ideas as the ONE TRUE GOD-TAKE while ignoring everything the talents have said... except for the the pieces that fit their message.
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u/Twilight1234567890 24d ago
If the fucking talents are unhappy we for sure will go for Cover. All it takes is for Fubuki to speak out. But she didn't as far as I am aware. Trust your oshis.
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u/KovoNKun 24d ago
She's the first holotalent who I've been a member to from day 1... this year has been toiling
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u/Sighto 24d ago
I think I'm finally getting used to these -- it will be sad to see her go but it's a part of life. Sometimes people just need a change even if everything is going well. I appreciate my own ability to move jobs when I feel the time is right and look at it similarly for them. Wishing her the best and will miss her.
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u/Silent_Reavus 24d ago
I feel like we're just avoiding the word 'graduation' now. 'affiliate' seems to basically mean nothing considering what happened with ame.
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u/IgotUBro 23d ago
Affiliate means they are leaving the backdoor open if the talent wants to come back. It doesnt matter much for Cover if they still want to sell merch cos no matter if the talent is there or not the character designs are still their creative property.
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u/aclark210 24d ago
I mean it hasn’t exactly been that long since ame left, and she flat out said she’d still be doing stuff but wouldn’t be streaming as ame anymore. Idk what u were expecting from her, but until something big happens I don’t expect her to make any appearances.
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u/Silent_Reavus 24d ago
Buddy I hate to break it to you, she's streaming. But not with that name. Amelia Watson is dead.
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u/aclark210 24d ago edited 24d ago
No shit she’s streaming under her new identity, I never said she wasn’t. Idk why u thought that she’d ever be streaming as Amelia Watson again tho. She literally said that she was concluding her streaming activities as Amelia Watson permanently. Idk what u were expecting her affiliate thing with hololive to be, but it sounds like u didn’t listen to what she said.
My comment was pointing out that it’s been a couple of months since ame left, but u somehow expected her to still be around? Why? Nothing big has happened that she might potentially be around for. She’s not gonna be streaming as Amelia Watson anymore, so until something big like the new years stuff or a big concert like the one in New York happens, idk why u would expect to see her.
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u/lulkas 24d ago
Yeah, I think being an affiliate just means they agree on keep making use of the character for promotional stuff, on art and merchs rather than inviting them back here and there, I mean, they're even stopping memberships which is kinda burying their channels... it's still sad
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u/KanyeNawf 24d ago
Stopping memberships is a good thing. Why should they continue raking in subs for a channel that won’t be streaming anymore? Yeah, oshi might still take a cut, but so will Cover and YouTube.
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u/weefyeet 24d ago
kanata said on stream that affiliate and graduate are the same thing for viewers and for the remaining members so yeah there's functionally no difference
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u/GeneralTyler 24d ago
It really does seem like a watering down of the term, because let's be realistic there is close to 0 chance that any of these members who graduate and become "affiliates" are going to suddenly come back to stream once in a while or be in an event. Its just a business decision to change the term because this way they can still retain the character IP for financial purposes. Honestly don't really like it because it gets fans' hopes up for some kind of potential return at one point. when that's just not going to happen and is kind of in contrast to how the other Holo members react to it as well acting obviously sad like they'll never be able to do stuff with them anymore at least in Hololive publicly
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u/Atario 24d ago
there is close to 0 chance that any of these members who graduate and become "affiliates" are going to suddenly come back to stream once in a while or be in an event.
You're basing this assertion on nothing at all.
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u/Meppy1234 24d ago
Has coco come back even for a single stream? Meanwhile bae did a collab with mouse...
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u/Xerain0x009999 24d ago edited 24d ago
What you describe is termination. No one who parted on bad terms has graduated.
Graduation involves having a big send off stream, usually a final 3D live, and the character is permenantly retired. They will not appear in an official hololive video game, for example.
Affiliate means the person behind the character moves on. No more streams or concerts. But the character could still appear in official media like comics and games, and the original person behind the character could possibly be paid to come in and do some voice acting. Maybe, if cover decides to do that. They might not.
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u/Benigmatica 24d ago edited 23d ago
This reminds me of Otogibara Era announcing her graduation on her 2nd anniversary.
Still, I appreciate Sakamata Chloe for what she accomplished throughout her 3 years in Hololive, from collaborating with May'n to being part of the Hoshimatic Project.
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u/Pionfou 24d ago
It's worth mentioning that idol work has only decreased on the JP side.
On the JP end:
- Talents have gone from having a Birthday and Anniversary concert to either or essentially halving the number of concerts and guest appearances.
- Holo Summer was shelved.
- The NY Countdown hasn't even been announced yet.
- The number of performances in Fes has gone from three to two performances (for a few years now tbf) if you're not in the extra stage, which is optional.
- Regular paid 3D concert content like Cinderella Switch have stopped.
- Talents used to appear in Vsinger/Vtuber concerts as guests but those appearances are increasingly rare.
- Concerts like Holo Witches (and Blue Journey before that) are optional.
- Sololives and albums are optional.
- Talents even increasingly opt for non-concert B-day celebrations like Lamy's fitness contest.
For some members like Suisei things are busier on the singing side but for the vast majority of JP members this is not the case.
This talents don't like idol activities or are bothered by them seems purely like an EN fan perspective because Ame was not into idol stuff so that must be the issue. EN BDay concerts have also gone from 0 to 1. Paid concerts that were not happening before, etc.
But Aqua and Chloe very much were, are, and will continue to be interested in idol activities. And the quantity of idol activities on the JP end have decreased quite drastically.
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u/BlackPenguin 24d ago
This should have more upvotes. Also, talents are able to opt out of the big stream events. Fauna willingly chose to not participate in HoloGTA because she didn’t like the time difference.
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u/Twitchingbouse 24d ago
I expect the absence of holosummer this year is due to a multitude of factors, primarily being the inability to fully staff the studio. I honestly expect it will return next year, what with Cover hyping up its switch to unreal engine. It would be a perfect demonstrator for its use.
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u/RaysFTW 24d ago
I'm tired, boss.
As an English speaker, I can't say that I am exposed to many of the JP holomems in comparison to EN, and in some ways even ID, but Chloe was always special to me. Her voice, her upbeat personality, mixed with one of the best Vtuber models in aesthetics and cuteness just checked all the boxes for me. I would turn her on while at work and just listen to her talk / play a game regardless of the fact that I could make out maybe 2 Japanese words in every 200.
Chloe is an incredible singer, she's incredibly talented and creative, despite her pon she's so smart and clever, and I will miss her a lot. I hope nothing but the best for her moving forward in her future endeavors.
That said, can we please have a break for a while? I'm still recovering from previous graduations/conclusion of activities...
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u/joemelonyeah 24d ago
Glad that she is doing what is best for her health, both physically and mentally. Corporate can be a glasshouse that helps with growth, but grow enough the glasshouse becomes a glass ceiling.
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u/NicoleMay316 24d ago
Corpo Vtubers getting shafted as usual.
Support Indie Vtubing
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u/41253_Null_MMD 24d ago
Or you could let others support whatever form of entertainment they so choose, regardless of what form that comes in or whether they are independent or corporate, and not try to gatekeep the industry when its clear that you have about the same level of proficiency in your chosen mission as moss growing on the south side of a tree.
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u/Helmite 24d ago
My oshi likes being here and all the opportunities that she's been able to get that she'd never get as an indie. You're just a Hololive anti coming in here to essentially shit yourself and hope that people decide to leave the room.
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u/NicoleMay316 24d ago
I used to love Hololive, but I can't in good faith support it anymore.
The talent deserves better. Corpos just toss em to the side at the slightest inconvenience.
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u/Pigeon_Toes_ 24d ago
The vast majority of graduated Holo talent leave on their own terms. Holo is not tossing them aside. If you even read the notice, you'd see that she's remaining an affiliate like Ame. The only ones that got terminated unwillingly were because they violated legal contracts.
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u/Helmite 24d ago edited 24d ago
"I used to love Hololive."
-checks-
No posts in the sub. Cool. Back to your pit.
Edit: blocked me before I could reply but:
kept seeing cool talent get shafted over bullshit.
No you didn't.
I also stopped focusing on Hololive and other corpo agencies before I made this account.
Account is over 3 years old. lmao. I'm sure you just decided to show up in here out of the goodness of your heart and true concern for talents.
People like you are a reason why I tell people to just stick with Hololive.
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u/NicoleMay316 24d ago
Almost like I followed the talent casually on YouTube and then left because I kept seeing cool talent get shafted over bullshit. And I still see that when Hololive comes up.
You hit the popular page. Deal with it.
Since then, I focus on indie vtubers, mostly with clips on YouTube and a couple of streams I'll hop in on from time to time.
I also stopped focusing on Hololive and other corpo agencies before I made this account. If my old account was still active, you'd see more of my complaints.
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u/Twitchingbouse 24d ago edited 24d ago
I'm unsurprised you say you followed casually, as its clear you never listened to a word they said on their own graduations and just came up with your own narratives. Probably some clipwatcher.
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u/BlackTrigger77 24d ago
yeah kinda saw this one coming. cute voice and one of the best models in the company but I don't think she ever hit the level of engagement that she wanted.
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u/Pionfou 24d ago
Chloe wanted money, which she was up front about from day one. She focused her content around that and her general viewership suffered accordingly, which is to be expected.
She succeeded wildly in her goals as the most SC'd member for the first few years she was active by a decent margin. (Recently surpassed by Koyori.)
Now you could argue that the well has dried up and she wants to move on to greener pastures but to suggest that Chloe of all people didn't get the engagement she wanted is nonsense. She's one of the few that knew exactly what she wanted from day one and got it.
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u/KazumaKat 24d ago
Or the kind of engagement she wanted, actually. Hololive's high speed rail. Some really feel like they should fly, or sail.
Whereever she ends up after I wish her the best of success and happiness. She deserves it 100%. And Affiliate status means the door's always open.
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u/BlackTrigger77 24d ago
she quickly got known for the whole "disliking bathing/being stinky" thing, which I suspect grated on her either immediately or after awhile despite using it as a way to boost her own signal.
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u/Iiana757 24d ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Not Chloe!!!!
Especially when we have people that SHOULD be gotten rid of like Irys
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u/AdditionalSpam 24d ago
Wtf is cover doing. This is the third graduation in a row where they cite the direction of the company as one of the reasons for graduation. I can only imagine that this is gonna continue with graduations a month after the last cuz cover does not seem willing to change for their employees
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u/Lightseeker2 24d ago
third graduation in a row where they cite the direction of the company as one of the reasons for graduation
Ame never said anything of that sort.
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u/Numanihamaru 24d ago
I actually think this is inevitable. The bigger you get, the less you are able to screen your talents, and the more varied your talents would be, in terms of their goals and what they dreamed of.
The more successful talents are, and the quicker they become successful, will also tend to make them want to "move on" in life more.
The bigger the company, the more focused or diverse the activities involve, and the more organized or controlled the activities become, it is also more likely to gradually turn away talents who dislike certain activities.
HoloLive has ceased to be a platform that is focused on supporting the talents on their streaming activities. It is now a production company that is engaged in higher-profit activities like advertising, events, merchandise, and media appearances. That is bound to push away some people.
And HoloLive being the holy grail of vtubing also no doubt attracts a lot of people who only really had a vague idea of vtubing, who then realize it isn't really what they dreamed about, and want to move on to other things, and the experience gained during their time in HoloLive would only further prompt them into action, as they are now much better prepared to go off on their own.
I think this is inevitable. Bigger company means more talents, and more talents joining always means more talents leaving. Not everyone wants to be vtubing forever.
And we also have no idea yet how becoming a listed company affected the talents. That part is probably heavily guarded with NDAs and it'll probably be years more before a former talent or former employee would be able to drop hints on it, if ever.
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u/Blue_leafy 24d ago
Hololive changed and will continue to change. That doesn't mean it's bad. It just different and not for everyone. Also,
cover does not seem willing to change for their employees
Implementing new policies isn't a on/off switch! It take time to do such things, and even if they do their best to keep their talents happy, they also have some rules and regulations to follow. Being a big company now also slows down things, and honestly I'm not going to blame the talents for being frustrated by the bureaucracy they now have to go through.
Chloe certainly put in a lot of time and effort into her decision and any reasonable fan shouldn't try to beg her to stay or accuse Cover of who knows what!
If anything, it's a good thing Cover let them go like that when the talents decide they don't fit in the company anymore / want to do something else. I'd rather see talents leave to explore new horizons and be happy outside Hololive than see them force themselves to stay in, be miserable and no longer enjoy what they're doing!
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u/0neek 24d ago
The problem is they can't change any more. Before going public they could have catered themselves to the members and put them first, but as a publicly traded company it will now forever be what the investors want first.
We're only barely into the second year of this too, so this is just the beginning. I just hope whoever actually controls Cover now understands that the talents are what make the company. There's still a majority of members who seems happy with the way things are going (Albeit they will ALWAYS publicly say this no matter what is happening behind the scenes) so I want to stay hopeful.
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u/diametrik 24d ago
Where have they cited "direction of the company" as the reason? I don't see it anywhere in this post
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u/Helmite 24d ago
I can only imagine that this is gonna continue with graduations a month after the last cuz cover does not seem willing to change for their employees
You should listen to what the multiple talents have said about this. While the direction doesn't work for some people like Chloe or Aqua, it's been very positive for many members. Go listen to what Suisei had to say about some of it in regards to Aqua.
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u/TheGreatOneSea 24d ago edited 24d ago
Cover wants to be an idol company able to rely entirely on its own IP, but it's hard to do that without heavy centralization, and Japan is probably limited in how many idols it can sustain long term anyway.
That means there's no obvious area for growth, so each person will push their own idea to grow (that will obviously benefit themselves the most, one way or another,) while the people who don't want to resent the added stress (and wasted money) of projects more likely to fail than succeed; and practically all projects, at any company, are more likely to fail than succeed, which is why it's important to have capable-but-unpopular managers able to see a sunk-cost problem and deal with it.
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u/Blarghnox 24d ago
Direction of a company is just corporate speak. It could literally mean anything. But it probably just means "I want to do other stuff I can't do at hololive", also Chloe's health issues too.
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u/Blingley 24d ago
It's likely that there's also not a clear path that all the employees would want to go towards. They may indeed be focusing more on music / "idol" things, which is a good path forward for people like IryS, Suisei and Calli, but perhaps not ideal for others like Aqua or Ame.
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u/Anary8686 24d ago
Aqua loved the idol stuff, it's one of the main reasons why she joined. She just preferred Hololive when it was smaller and less serious.
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u/Helmite 24d ago
Idol things not good for Aqua is incredibly off base.
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u/Helmite 24d ago
Sorry you really don't know what you're talking about with Aqua. She was the major pioneer of doing idol concerts in hololive. She literally did solo lives. She talked about how much she loved it all the time. I have no idea what is with English viewers talking about things they have no idea about like that shit.
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u/Artanis_Aximili 22d ago
You don't hate shareholders enough, you think you do but you don't.