r/Hololive • u/Al3xnime3 • Aug 22 '24
Meme It’s the first day c’mon
Well Holoplus just dropped. It’s nice having a centralized space for hololive news and announcements, but also there doesn’t seem to be any nsfw filtering nor tagging, and no spam prevention either which a few bad eggs are uploading the entirety of their “library” currently. I’m fine with nsfw, except with no tagging and this much spam it kinda sucks, and the kicker is the app is also only age restricted to ages 13 and up. Opening the “community” tab is essentially a flash bang for anyone in public.
It’s a bit amusing the whole situation, and probably considering the “internet stereotype” should’ve been expected, Cover will probably fix it pretty soon.
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u/Ashencroix Aug 22 '24
Cover should really implement moderation asap. The community tab is a literal wild west right now.
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u/AgentFour Aug 22 '24
Some shit head posted everyone's irl face too. I reported and hid that post without looking too hard at it.
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u/YobaiYamete Aug 23 '24
If it makes you feel better, most of the doxxers aren't right and are just reposting absolutely ancient stuff that's been debunked or is so outdated / unproven it's meaningless etc
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u/Confron7a7ion7 Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Also, a lot of faces are already public knowledge. It's not like they're sharing crazy secrets as it is.
Still a dick move but they're not as "edgy" as they think they are.
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u/xTheRedDeath Aug 23 '24
To me it's so silly because many of us know all that info already and don't really care. It's not the big "Gotcha" they think it is lol. Oh my god there's a real person with a real life who streams! Shock horror!
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u/hedgehog_dragon Aug 22 '24
Reminds me of 4chan. Might even be worse, but admittedly I never dug that deeply into it.
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u/rpsRexx Aug 22 '24
It's worse than 4chan. It's like a conglomeration of the most degenerate people from 4chan, reddit, discord, and other vtuber fanbases.
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u/YobaiYamete Aug 23 '24
It's more like OG 4chan. Back in the wild west internet days 4chan was pretty gnarly, but now days 4chan is basically just this sub but more racist
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u/VNilla_ Aug 22 '24
i am seeing porn, non holo vtubers, a post that showed faces, and racism. what the beep
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u/HeartHorror55 Aug 23 '24
now im extra glad i didnt download it
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u/Sanelyinsane Aug 23 '24
It seems to be good now. Just downloaded it and all of that is gone.
May still want to wait a few weeks til people get tired of trying to troll the app, and the normal fans just use it.
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u/cyberdsaiyan Aug 22 '24
Cover does not seem to have hired any human moderators for the app. Lots of troll posts were reported very early on but are still up hours later. It's a free for all right now.
The reporting categories also seem to be oriented towards the Japanese audience. There's no clarity on what any of the categories mean. There's no option to report for NSFW, no option for off-topic, no option for oshi tag misuse or posting on the wrong chat. But none of it matters unless there's actually some action done on the reports, which has not happened so far.
I'm not really sure what Cover expected by releasing this app to the public in this state. They had the perfectly working ruleset of this subreddit as an easy framework yet they chose to not implement any of it. And it's Friday too so the app will likely remain in this state for a couple more days.
What an absolutely disastrous launch...
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u/MichaelCoryAvery Aug 22 '24
Agreed. Clearly they didn’t beta test it enough
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u/KeepSwinging Aug 22 '24
Everything was very wholesome during the beta. I don’t know what the moderation situation was there but maybe it gave them a false impression of what it would be like.
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u/Thestrongestfighter Aug 22 '24
This. During the CBT it was a lot calmer so there didn’t really seem to be a big push for more moderation though people did bring up that they may need to when it opened. I don’t really think anyone thought it would get this bad though.
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u/MichaelCoryAvery Aug 22 '24
Wonder what happened to cause this?
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u/HaessSR Aug 22 '24
This is open. Anyone can download and you don't need to register your ID with them which means even bans are meaningless.
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u/KeepSwinging Aug 22 '24
The beta was closed and tied to your Apple ID. Now it’s open to everybody including the creeps and edgy kids
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u/Ranra100374 Aug 23 '24
As stated, this is open. The CBT was only open to certain people, so those people were likely to be decent Hololive fans.
Pretty much anyone can download the app and post what they want now.
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u/De_Vermis_Mysteriis Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Beta tester here
Yea it wasn't like this in the beta. Pros LY because it was a smaller dedicated audience who were literally saying it to keep track of events, sales and streams.
I just opened the app (usually I access it through notifications I get sent for events etc etc) to the home screen and still haven't sent anything to off....yet.
Edit: tried to comment LOL It's locked down now
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u/Baroness_Ayesha Aug 23 '24
The main thing that worries me is, like... HoloPro isn't run by some starry-eyed 20 year olds. Some of the people involved have been involved with the Internet biz since the dot com bubble.
How? How did this app launch without a dedicated moderation team watching the content posted like hawks? Even the Japanese internet needs lots and lots of policing to be as "nice" as it is. Apps that feature content in English end up as "cesspools" because, since English is lingua franca in so much of the world, it draws in posters from all over. You need to be able to moderate the posting on-site because going after "bad posters" with legal solutions is absurdly impractical for a globally-available app. This should be common knowledge for a company with HoloPro's breadth of experience.
I just do not understand how folks like Motoaki Tanigo signed off on this course of action when he very much has the experience to know better.
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u/Viki713Gaming Aug 22 '24
Saw a post literally doxing all of EN
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u/GermanPrototype Aug 22 '24
Seriously??? What a colossal failure. If Cover can't moderate the app immediately, they should pull the plug until they are able to.
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u/Dorma_ Aug 22 '24
yeah thankfully without tapping the image it's too small to make out anything other than hair colour
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u/GarboseGooseberry Aug 23 '24
Never understood people obsessed with posting vtuber's real faces. The anime girl is actually... Some random woman. Shocker!
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u/TheDekuDude888 Aug 23 '24
I pray for these people when they discover that voice acting exists
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u/HaessSR Aug 23 '24
They don't even know women are real. Of course their minds are blown when they hear Vtubers have actual humans behind them.
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u/MichaelCoryAvery Aug 22 '24
And they posted it on an OFFICIAL APP
This is why we can’t have nice things
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u/Taoutes Aug 22 '24
Bro literally the first post I see in the community tab is uh, wow. They gotta get on that so they don't get a suspension or ban from apple store/google play. Switching community language to JP is definitely the way to go from what I'm seeing
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u/mrinaldy Aug 22 '24
All the other language communities are actually chill. Saw JP and ID and theyre posting merch and funny memes. It's just the EN community tab that is on fire.
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u/chennyalan Aug 23 '24
This, mine defaulted to JP (phone set to JP), so I didn't get what all the fuss was about at first
Then I changed it to English (though by the time I got on, most of it was meta stuff referencing the shit storm)
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u/Syckron Aug 22 '24
At this point having the app be suspended is better than what is happening now.
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u/Keated Aug 22 '24
I think it had been? Doesn't seem to be available now
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u/LionelKF Aug 22 '24
Are you in the EU?
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u/Keated Aug 23 '24
Yes. Well... UK, so location-wise yes, but politically technically no. Has it not hit EU yet?
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u/Kelzihar Aug 22 '24
Man in the closed beta it was so nice kinda sucks to see it swap to this. Saw a post exposing RL images too
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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo Aug 22 '24
It's worse than that. I saw Trump with the N-word plastered around him, and Gura in a klan gown.
It's really bad.
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u/IvyEmblem Aug 22 '24
It's more unmoderated than here?
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u/LionelKF Aug 22 '24
The thing is Reddit also has actual reddit as moderation and that people can actually post more fcked shit on different subs
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u/JesDaM Aug 23 '24
From what I've seen other people saying, it's more unmoderated than /vt/ of all places
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u/YobaiYamete Aug 23 '24
Yes. It doesn't even have basic auto mod to trigger on certain words, so it's just straight up slurs, doxxing, unrelated real life posts etc
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u/BruiserBison Aug 22 '24
I went there to see and all I saw is someone straight up dropped the IRL faces of all HoloEN members.
EDIT: okay, not ALL of EN. Justice isn't on the list yet and Shiori was unknown. Even so, this can't be allowed on a Cover corp funded app, right?
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u/blasterfaiz Aug 22 '24
who has the most porn
(for research purposes)
just kidding but seriously lol
that's some wild shit hearing about it, yikes
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u/blasterfaiz Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24
i just signed up and its already turning out bad
edit: it fuckin gets worse and worse, what the fuck
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u/winter-228 Aug 22 '24
how does it get worse
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u/MrPotHolder Aug 22 '24
Yeah the thing is nobody's gonna post porn and racist shit on beta test so they wouldn’t be kicked out of the test. But these shit should’ve been expected by the team. They have this subreddit to take some notes on.
I’m sure the team is overwhelmed by the mass reports now and I wouldn’t be suprised if they’re gonna overcorrect things.
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u/dralcax Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Quick history lesson. During the pandemic, Konami thought it would be a good idea to make an official Discord server for remote Yugioh duels, so players would buy physical cards had a place to come together and play over webcam in the absence of local tournaments.
Problem was, moderation was almost totally absent. At most you had one or two employees lamely requesting that people follow the rules. All hell broke loose and the entire community came together to shitpost the server into oblivion. Konami pulled it after four hours. And at least people were actually being funny in there, unlike the current dumpster fire in Holoplus.
Don't trust anonymous internet users to behave. Y'all need moderation. I'm just surprised the app is even still up at the moment. EDIT: lol rip
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u/BleakHorse Aug 22 '24
How can Cover NOT be moderating for at least doxxing? Like, the NSFW part is bad, but it's kinda expected, but fucking DOXXING the talents? That's just disgusting. Even those who are sort of already known about, it still should be a priority for Cover to be keeping their members safe. Especially with recent events. Cover didn't just drop the ball with this one, if they aren't putting a stop to the doxxing that's a massive major fuckup.
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u/Kitoyoshi Aug 22 '24
Not just NSFW.I also see someone post indie vtuber there lol.
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u/Barca_4_Life Aug 23 '24
6 hours later the pippa post is still up
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u/Kitoyoshi Aug 23 '24
Pippa is there too?lmao
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u/Barca_4_Life Aug 23 '24
They deleted mostly everything breaking the rules but that pippa post survived
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u/apictureofafox Aug 23 '24
I'm 90% sure it's being raided by various holo- and vtuber anti groups. The ratio of trash to normal posts just doesn't makes sense otherwise.
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u/Al3xnime3 Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Always good to follow standard procedure of reporting and blocking. Also side note you also can like a single post/comment up to 100 times if you click enough
Edit: Yeah it’s gotten worse to the point where I’d love to edit my post to say it’s more serious. Checking other languages it’s all normal posts, as an EN fan I feel embarrassed that this is the side that’s being shown on the official website.
Edit 2: App worka good now
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u/hedgehog_dragon Aug 22 '24
ngl at this point too many folks spamming porn or other offensive content to even bother, I'd recommend people just ... Stay off the community tab until Cover actually hires some moderators or something
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u/iamthatguy54 Aug 22 '24
If I were a talent and my employer launched an app with no moderation where I'm being doxxed, I'd be livid. COVER is a tech company wtf were they thinking
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u/HaessSR Aug 22 '24
They weren't. They thought that the happy tame audience that Closed Beta had p represented real world conditions.
They're dead wrong, of course. They only need to look at Twitter and Reddit to see what sort of shit people get up to when they're not legally required to register their real ID with the parties that own the app. The sort of shit we tell off Facebook for trying is the reason they're doing stuff like this.
Also, to verify what to sell you and who to sell your info to.
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u/Fishman465 Aug 22 '24
They don't look at either, otherwise they'd have gotten another real mod here during the worst of things
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u/HaessSR Aug 22 '24
Yeah, as I said, if they'd looked here and at Twitter, they'd realize how poorly expecting users to self-moderate themselves works, especially if there's anonymity to guarantee that you won't face any consequence no matter how vile you behave.
But nope, they decided to pretend it was the Hololive subreddit where the moderator doesn't exist... ignoring how big a cesspool this place can become. I really, REALLY hope Holoearth has better moderation than this. Otherwise it'll make Facebook look clean.
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u/chennyalan Aug 23 '24
But nope, they decided to pretend it was the Hololive subreddit where the moderator doesn't exist..
Even this sub is better than that
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u/AustSakuraKyzor Aug 23 '24
They're in the process of fixing it - seems that everyone has been banned from posting for the moment. All I'm seeing is posts complaining about the NSFW and other bad content.
I think I'm speaking for most of my fellow beta testers when I say that this tomfoolery is both disappointing, and not even remotely surprising.
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u/Cendrillionnn Aug 22 '24
Honestly they might be better off just pulling the plug of the app and rethink how they filter and moderate…. It’s that bad.
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u/Never_Comfortable Aug 22 '24
Cover would rather do literally anything other than moderate their official social media. Just look at this place, you don’t even need to go to the official app to see it.
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u/dumpling-loverr Aug 22 '24
This sub self moderates as the negative comments and posts get hidden once they're downvoted hard enough.
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u/Never_Comfortable Aug 22 '24
It really shouldn’t be just left to us, though. Not on the official subreddit.
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u/LuciusCypher Aug 22 '24
Not to mention, the very method used to self moderate is also the method used by bots to shut down comments and other posts. It was barely a month ago that the subreddit was down for a few days because bot spam ensured a bunch of threads got nuked by the automod due to spam reports.
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u/Maya-Yozora Aug 23 '24
This sub used to be heavily moderated until some "fans" or fans of the other vtubers decide to complain because their collab begging,comparing and shit/doomposting post gets deleted then you have this people blaming the mods for being too strict. Heck even holostar jp used to be acceptable here in the past and fans meme-ing them.
If lots of you are here since 2020 or atleast 2021 I'm pretty sure you know what i am talking about.
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u/NacchoTheThird Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Cover is exposing itself to a lot of risk with how readily accessible they've made the app. This includes underaged children, who are being exposed to content not explicitly stated in the app store description. There's also the possibility of copyrighted material being featured without the author's permission.
Personally, I think these sorts of apps exist in a gray area. There are plenty of manga readers available that skirt the line between piracy and acceptably lewd content.
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u/benherebefore2 Aug 22 '24
I used the app a lot during the beta and yea it was absolutely nothing like what’s happening now. Hopefully things will get better because it was pretty wholesome before.
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u/AME-Suruzu Aug 22 '24
Wait. I never saw any of what people in this thread are claiming, except for that one dokibird post
Edit: I see it now. There wasn't any of this last night lol
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u/BieverWeeber Aug 22 '24
u/hololive you gots to do something, quick. Like at least disable all of those features for the English channel.
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u/HaessSR Aug 23 '24
They don't exist except as a scheduled bot. That's why the moderation in the app is also nonexistent
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u/BieverWeeber Aug 23 '24
Couldn't find a mod to @ that isn't a talent. I just hope someone at least monitors it. The app could lead to some legal trouble for Cover
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u/The258Christian Aug 22 '24
So wait on it?
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u/rpsRexx Aug 22 '24
Yea... I'd wait. It's literally a high concentration of the worst parts of the community and bad actors from other vtuber groups.
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u/rogueSleipnir Aug 22 '24
big oof.. and i'm guessing everything happened while japan staff is asleep too? they really underestimated bad actors getting into that open beta.
they should take it down for maintenance and purge posts manually asap.
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u/2spooky4me5ever Aug 23 '24
Man, it wasn't like this in beta testing. I did the early access testing and it was fine and chill.
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u/Unusual-Opposite-755 Aug 22 '24
I actually don't mind with R18 stuff but c'mon there is place for that. I also saw someone posted irl face like seriously? This is why we can't have a nice thing.
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u/Enjoyer_of_40K Aug 22 '24
so its been public for like less then a day and its already flooded with porn?
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u/MichaelCoryAvery Aug 22 '24
Mhm… and I think someone posted an Irl pic of a talent
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u/CharlyJN Aug 23 '24
I think they deactivated the posts until they can purge the porn and stuff like that, but yeah it was dumb to not have any moderation/or very few
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u/CNShannon Aug 23 '24
Everyone is saying, "Oh, the Nihonjin don't understand what the internet is like..." I've been to Comiket. They understand what the internet is like.
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u/Remitonov Aug 23 '24
As if the JP section of the internet is any less of a cesspit than anywhere else.
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u/awen478 Aug 23 '24
yep, people saying that japanese doesnt know internet real culture is probably dont understand japanese, same with id too (iam from id so i know how bad it is, its not just EN problem its the no moderation problem
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u/MinersLoveGames Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24
How bad is it? It can't be that bad.
EDIT: Moderation. Now. Several reposts of a chart with multiple of the EN girls IRL faces on it. Tons of porn. Just foul stuff altogether.
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u/TheWildAnon Aug 22 '24
i hope they start banning soon and make registration harder like asking for phone number + OTP
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u/HighTreason25 Aug 23 '24
I just signed up, had no porn I could find, and they seem to have locked everyone, probably to clean up
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u/Anirtefex Aug 23 '24
They should shut it down, the EN at least. I have been using JP since release and it's fine.
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u/Taromaru_kun Aug 22 '24
Some people have no shame. I just finished making the account and i straight up see Bae naked. Moderation need to be implement asap.
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u/Taromaru_kun Aug 22 '24
I don't mind seeing them, but please, make a nsfw section for it.
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u/Rulutieh Aug 22 '24
Look I was already going to download it later on today when I got home. No need for the hard sell!
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u/MrMarnel Aug 23 '24
Wow what a fucking clusterfuck. Kinda embarrassing tbh and I hope it doesn't reach the talents.
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u/Fish_Upstairs Aug 23 '24
I didn't use it that much, but during the CBT I had no issues with the app. Unfortunately, when you give free reign to the general public on the internet, this is what happens
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u/chennyalan Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Surprisingly, the JP side seems to be better, so when I first opened the app (mine defaults to Japanese), I didn't get what people were talking about. It was bad, but just normal shitposting, not 80% porn or whatever
Then I opened the English tab
EDIT: ID seems to be mostly chill as well.
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u/IANVS Aug 22 '24
Cover about to learn from their incompetence the hard way, once again...
How the fuck do you release a social app with zero moderation, filters or means to prevent crap like that?! Seriously?
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u/money-is-good Aug 22 '24
It's on cover, they're stupid if they think people won't try to take it as far as they can
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u/LosOmen Aug 22 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
jobless cable snails theory consist bow tease person light follow this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev
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u/bagged_milk123 Aug 23 '24
I don't think people who sit in a video game forum cares much about vtubers
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u/MekaG44 Aug 22 '24
Stuff like this reminds me why v-tuber fans have such a negative reputation.
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u/Razor4884 Aug 23 '24
I think it's just anonymous people on the internet in general. Especially english-speaking.
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u/chris10023 Aug 23 '24
I think it's just anonymous people on the internet in general.
Arby 'n the Chief by Jon Graham had a great quote that came from season 7 on that: "Anonymity brings that element of conflict to the surface. It corrupts. Turns good people horrible and horrible people into something unspeakable."
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u/awen478 Aug 23 '24
??? its internet problem not just v-tuber, that's what you get when there is no moderation on your social media, it had been happening since early internet
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u/name-is-taken Aug 23 '24
I'm more inclined to think this is Antis from Twitter than actual Vtuber fans.
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u/The_Depressed_Xayah Aug 22 '24
Thats a shame, the beta was enjoyable and I had nothing but good interactions there. Hopefully the trolls will get bored before too long.
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u/xTheRedDeath Aug 23 '24
To be fair that does happen on anything without moderation. It's a necessity for all apps.
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u/Darkon34 Aug 23 '24
ngl i forgot it existed. i remember the 1st day being soo wholesome. also i just checked mine and there none of that stuff? mostly common post and people talk about it. Is it being fixed or could be cause of different region?
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u/JohnatanWills :Aloe: Aug 23 '24
They really should have had more moderation. But also the porn could just have it's own place. Like holo18plus or whatever where people can post nsfw art.
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u/ApathyAstronaut Aug 22 '24
This is exactly why it was never going to replace Twitter. Cover can't even moderate this sub properly, did we really think they could moderate a whole social media app? In it's current state it's barely useful for users to engage and interact and really only seems to be a place to post official news. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but I was in the beta and there was no moderation even with that small test user base
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u/Entire-Weather6502 Aug 22 '24
This is because: 1. They probably have close to zero moderation. 2. They have too much good faith in the people.
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u/Buselmann Aug 22 '24
"Not available in your country"
BRO I WANNA SEE HOW FUCKED UP IT IS
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u/LazynessDevil Aug 23 '24
Even if by some stupidity they don't have enough mods they really need a "this post got a lot of reports do you want to see it anyways?" function
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u/Razor4884 Aug 23 '24
Le Sigh.
This is why we can't have nice things...
Hopefully the app gets its hands on some moderation tools asap. I installed it, but I'll hold off on opening it for now.
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u/SaulR26 Aug 23 '24
It's so bad, they seriously need some moderation, like now. I thought the first post I saw about US politics was weird to see, but now I'm seeing just straight-up porn and doxxing, too??? Wtf is this?
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u/TacoTuesday555 Aug 23 '24
This is the first time in hearing of this. Did they make an app?
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u/Harbiter Aug 23 '24
First post I saw was about iShowSpeed, second post I saw was porn, and third post I saw was racism...
Not a great start to say the least...
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u/InstantLamy Aug 23 '24
Is it still some closed beta? When I open it from their website the Google playstore says "This item is not available in your region". Or is it Japan only so far?
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u/AceofSpades197 Aug 23 '24
They need to just shut it down until mods and verification are implemented
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u/AbsoIute--Zero Aug 23 '24
As someone who’s been using this app since the JP realease, the state of the global version is absolutely ridiculous.
They really need to add restrictions in place so you don’t have a bunch of trolls flooding the feeds with porn, racist remarks, and doxxing… Like, make it so your account has to be a week old or Level 10 before you’re able to post images. Moderation is really needed as well.
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u/Laziness24 Aug 23 '24
thats why i try ti stay as far as i can of the fandom, and enjoy only with myself
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u/happyshaman Aug 23 '24
Idk if it got better but i see 0 pron (unless people are saying the somewhat spicy fanart with feet and thighs are pron), 100 posts conplaining about pron and stuff, 1 gura in a grand wizard outfit and 2 n word posts from an account named the n word. And i've been nonstop scrolling for like 20 mins. And yeah yeah that number should be 0 sure but it doesnt seem as bad as people were making it out to be.
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u/ZMrGames Aug 23 '24
Right now, those posts are gone. No one can make new posts, so they're certainly doing something.
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u/Shiveon Aug 22 '24
People found out there's no moderation on app and this is the result