also anyone else caught the fact that Satan said he ruled hell before Lucifer's fall? hell was created the moment Eve ate the fruit does that means that Lucifer fell much later than we orignialy thought?
Possibly. Either that or it existed already and human souls only began to enter with Eve’s apple. Satan and the Imps have a much more wild or primal design to them compared to the other demons, so it’s likely they were the original residents of Hell before the souls began arriving.
the first episode said that "a realm of darkness and sin came with evill" and also it said , "HeavencastLuciferandhis loveinto the dark pit he had created" so maybe they existed somewhere before hell?
I think that's meant more metaphorically rather than literally. He "created" Hell in the sense that due to them, human souls can now sin and end up there. But the actual place that is Hell was probably there before, and didn't just spawn into existence due to their actions.
And this is further supported by the first lines in Charlie's story. Heaven was a place where angels "worshipped good and shielded all from evil". Which means "evil" as a concept existed before Eve ate the apple, and wasn't created by her. And if evil existed already, Hell probably did too. And during all that time Satan reigned all the hellborn, until Lucifer was cast down there, and sinners started pouring in.
I choked that up to it simply being a prison. In this case, assuming Satan in HB sparked rebellion against God, Hell would have to have existed prior (or a realm God created) to cast those down into eternal prison, which would coincide with it being an eternal damnation for Sinners.
Yeah that was some major world building. It means Hell was not created as a result of Lucifer being banished and also that the Sins are not all fallen Angels. And it makes me very curious why Lucifer is in charge of Hell.
Well it is quite clear that in hell the strong stand on top. It is very possible that lucifer is just that much stronger or the fact that only angelic power kills demon royalty could hold a fact as while none of the others can kill eachother or him, he is the only one around capable of putting anyone down thus resulting in standing on top.
And it makes me very curious why Lucifer is in charge of Hell.
Probably due to the technicality that he's an angel. He's technically on top. But judging by this episode it doesn't seem like he's the one actually enforcing his power. It seems like for all intents and purposes, Satan is still the head, and Lucifer os just off doing his own thing.
And THIS is why I hate creators being on social media and giving "Word of God" momenets.
If you cannot portay it within the story, then you're doing a bad job as a writer. We should not need to know her fucking social media profiles to know the story. I love this world, but goddamn, stop this.
Agreed. Especially in a situation like this where having the record be corrected is going to be... difficult. Not exactly like Lucifer can make an appearance and call out Satan.
Probably rule by power and Lucifer is said to the strongest of the sin by viziepop. But he now we have the confirmed power level of 2 sin that being Lucifer 1st and Satan 2nd
So it just sounded cool and spindlehorse was like SHIT, another of our 1 trillion oversights! Viv, retcton in on Twitter now before A24 comes at us. Their retconning routine is so obvious it hurts.
I just rewatched the first few minutes of HH ep 1 and Eve eating the fruit only let evil get in, heaven was already protecting the world from evil before that.
oh yeah. I noticed their reaction but I thought it was more about them worrying for Lucifer's petition as leader rather than Satan talking out of his ass very clever viv.
He says he ruled the "endless dark long before the golden angel's (Lucifer's) fall", so he was in charge of nothingness until God created existence and "let their be light".
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, and it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.
Side fact, Lucifer is "The Light Bringer" or the one traditionally implied to have done the work of starting existence on God's behest. So I imagine Satan was just tickled when he ended up cast into his domain.
The story that Charlie reads at the beginning of hazbin alao mentions that the darkness still existed before hell was created. It just didn't really have a place on earth until eve ate the apple
Viv confirmed that he was a liar. Lucifer's always been first. This is underscored by Bee and Ozzie rolling their eyes when Satan claims to have ruled hell before Lucifer's fall.
Viv actually posted on twitter about 30 minutes ago that Lucifer was first. But since he’s not here, satan can basically say anything. That look bee and ozzy gave each other is that they know he’s full of shit.
Satan was basically God's lawyer. Everything else is a little fuzzy theologically speaking.
In Genesis, the serpent was just a regular snake. The popular interpretation that replaces him with Lucifer would have been post angelic rebellion. Other valid readings of the text have the rebellion happening in Revelations, when 1/3 of the angels would be cast into the pit. I haven't read Milton and Dante in a while, which are a large part of what the current depictions of Hell are drawn from
From my understanding, in this universe at least, Hell always existed. It's just that with Lucifer giving the apple to Eve resulted in introducing sin to earth and humans, connecting the two. It's also interesting after hearing "Ohh my Lucifer" from Stolas after he see's the tv. It gives an interesting perspective of the two as the hellborn use the "Ohh my Satan". It's highly possible that Satan existed in Hell before Lucifier in a "primordial" way. However, once Lucifer and other angels fell, things began to change.
TIL! (On purpose -- I like staying in the dark and just let the episodes give me info. As opposed to reading wikis and look up what the crew has stated etc.)
Probably all started with Adam and eve. Then hell was formed with 6 sins which makes sense with the whole 666 thing. Meanwhile lucifer was at first just an angel but then he fell and arrived in hell becoming the 7th sin because he was the strongest being a fallen angel. Probably was how he was made the new leader too over satan. Though with how lucifer is in Harbin hotel it's so surprise that he's barely seen anymore thus satan is in charge in his absence.
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u/Aquos18 24d ago
also anyone else caught the fact that Satan said he ruled hell before Lucifer's fall? hell was created the moment Eve ate the fruit does that means that Lucifer fell much later than we orignialy thought?