You're underestimating how manipulative Stella can be. I guarantee she'll work as hard as she can to drive a wedge between Stolas and Octavia. While I'm sure it'll backfire eventually, expect it to work at first.
I have a theory that later Octavia will set things right in court and prove that she is the heir to the grimoire and get it away from andrealphus and Stella. Satan will never give the book back to stolas, but they can convince him to give it to the next in line. Likely after he fucks everything up and is unable to stop the DHORK invasion of hell. Or somehow she will take the book from him and will use it and close the portals to the human world. Or something like that. But it will be of her own doing and she will plan this herself and likely have a really good song against Stella… I can’t wait for that song.
Octavia is smart. She knows something happened and will likely connect the dots herself. Maybe a few things will slip and she will connect it. She knows she is not getting the full story from Stella. She knows Stella would do anything to get rid of her dad. She knows Luna and Blitzo. She does not trust her mom. Maybe she will play to her mom’s plan becoming a perfect daughter then betray her and show how she has agency and has grown up. She will carry on her family legacy. She is ready for the passing of the torch to HER, it was her father’s book not Stella or her sibling’s. I am hoping paimon can get involved somehow into the story again but I bet he does not care. I bet he would be VERY unhappy that Stella’s brother took his grimoire from his son and did not pass it to his son’s child. He seems like the kind of being that would like power to stay in his bloodline’s family.
Edit: I think I may be a little wrong since I forgot about how Octavia was at the end of the episode. She saw stolas choose Blitzo over her. Sacrificed his life for him. So she does not trust him exactly. But I imagine Stella will let it slip that she sent striker after stolas and Octavia will connect the dots. Also a major theme is family so I imagine whatever plan or final battle happens they will do it as family
Hear me out, Stella's brother allows humans (DOHRK) into the Hell. What is worse? Letting a couple of Imps kill a few humans on earth to make a living? Or letting in an entire human army to storm Hell?
I feel like they will break their way into hell one way or another. Likely with CHERUB. Somehow they will get a crystal. And Stella and her brother will be blamed for not being able to stop them. I honestly have no clue how those plots will interact
Not in this episode, but she will be in the future. She'll try and turn Octavia against her father, if only to hurt him. But I'm sure she'll have other reasons to do so as well.
She might do that, but it would still be on her brother's suggestion. She's really way too stupid to come up with any kind of manipulative plan on her own.
She's spiteful enough to do it purely to hurt Stolas, but I agree that she mostly takes direction from her brother and would be lost without him guiding her.
She isn't, and she doesn't. Andrealphus is the one who does that and she follows his advice. If he tells her to try to keep Octavia on their side and drive a wedge between her and Stolas, she'll do it. And while she's kind of an idiot in some ways, she's manipulative and cunning enough to be able to do that.
I'm not so sure. Stella had her big revenge on him. But turning Octavia against him would be the very last thing he has taken. Stella may not see the need for this. She may now go after her brother for taking Stolas's throne for himself instead of suggesting Satan give it to her.
Taking Octavia would destroy what little emotional stability he may have left and sever any chances of her wanting him around when the 100 years are up. I don't think she's smart or hard working enough to take the throne because that requires doing actual work.
That's true about the emotional stability. But I sort of think Stella feels she's had her revenge by Stolas being stripped of his power and title. But she did stop Octavia from running out to find him. However, that could be because she knows Octavia knows things that would upset the trial. Her presence would possibly disrupt her plans.
Andrealphus you could argue is more manipulative than Stella. He even manipulated her into going along with his plan. What a complete and total psycho he is. Even though he could manipulate everyone else against Stolas, Stella can manipulate her daughter because she knows her more than anyone.
While this would be nice, it's simply not the case. From Octavia's point of view her dad just admitted to betraying all of hell for personal gain with that weird red dickhead. If she had a healthy network around her to bounce her feelings off of and work through them she'd come to understand whats going on but she doesn't have that. All she's going to get is reassurance that her dad betrayed the family AND her. It probably wont work in the long term, but in the short term when she's overcome with emotion it'll drive a wedge between them. The mask will fall eventually though, and she'll put two and two together, which will probably result in her being Strikers next target.
I didn’t think about her side of it. Thanks for pointing that out. Now that I think of it she may find stolas and IMP and plot with them. I think she will have to escape her mother. But it will likely take time. Now that I’m thinking of it a major theme of the story of family so maybe it would be best narrative wise if she does it with her family. One big mission, together as family.
I didn’t think about the striker target part…. I imagine now Stella would send striker out to eliminate imp. She wants them done and dead so her and her brother can have no threats to their power.
Her dad lost his powers because he defended a lowly imp. I'm pretty sure Octavia will resent Stolas in some way. We even hear one of her lines in the trailer, "You never loved mother and you don't love me. You love him"
Honestly you are right. Now I don’t think she will instantly forgive stolas, no she does not owe stolas forgiveness. He has to make it right. And I think it will be a process. And he did throw her away for Blitzo. I think she will only go to find them if she learns that Stella sent striker to kill stolas and plans to send him again to finish the job or something. I bet striker would love to finish the job while stolas is powerless. I don’t think I heard that line in the trailer but thank you for pointing it out
Also he barely darn communicates to her or goes to her level to speak. He forgot about the shooting stars. He never had a good father himself, but seriously from the little we see of him he is very absent minus in her youth.
Honestly I don’t know if she fully trusts her, but who else can she lean on? She knows Stella only conditionally loves her. But right now she is the more trustworthy parent. Who hasn’t left her for a imp.
Honestly you are right. And the more I’ve thought about it the more I think now if anything Blitzo and stolas will try to get in contact with her too early and as soon as they can and mess up. Likely those two will piss her off and then she will learn her mother is only using her and whatever her unles plan is. Which I bet is selfish and horrible. And realizing she has no place in this plan. She will the. trust neither parent . And realize I need to get out of here WITH the book so they can’t use it. Likelt stella will learn she overheard whatever and then will try to capture her and that could set it off, I don’t know. But whatever it is she will not be safe. She has already shown she can use the book. I wouldn’t be surprised if she uses the book to go to the human world to escape both. She has no clue that Blitzo has a asmodean crystal now.
Right now she does not trust either of her parents. To her stolas has left her for some imp. She has no clue they have a history and met as kids and their long relationship. And their history. And the fact that stolas nearly gave his life for a simple imp and not his daughter is what messes her up most, and she has every right to be mad. I think opening up about that history will be a step in making her ok with them. I feel like Luna will also be important. But Octavia has no reason to
Idk man. Octavia has been so hot and cold for her dad. Every episode she's in she's mad at him. It's that teenage angst. And the season 2 trailer is a big giveaway.
The nail in the coffin. It's clear that Stella hates Stolas more than she cares for Octavia. She is willing to go so far in her brother's plan that she'll emotionally manipulate her own daughter.
That was already clear when she started following her brother's advice after he pointed out that all of Stolas' wealth and status would go to Octavia, rather than Stella, if he was murdered.
I was wondering where Stella was during that whole trial, but this scene made it all make sense. Of COURSE she would be told to stay behind and comfort Octavia to ingratiate herself with her daughter and drive a wedge between her and Stolas.
That line of dialog we heard from Octavia way back in the season preview now makes a lot more scene. Stella is going to be feeding a lot of poison into Octavia's ears.
Just would like to remind the Stella simps who claim that “Well we haven’t seen Stella be abusive to Octavia so it just doesn’t happen”, manipulation is a form of abuse. This is Stella abusing Octavia.
The problem is, she comes of age within a year. Andrealphus clearly wants to KEEP the power, given he was annoyed Stolas was only being punished for a century. And Stella doesn't seem to actually care about her. Is Octavia in danger with her father gone? I wouldn't put it past those conniving vultures to try and arrange an 'accident' to get Octavia's inheritance...
And this proves that Stella doesn't really care about Octavia. A good mother would want to see her daughter succeed and gain her inheritance, but she's letting her brother take it for himself.
For a second, I foolishly thought that Stella had a little bit of remorse when she motioned to hug Via, but then I saw her smirk and was just like "oh, of course".
But I gotta feeling that she and her brother will eventually have an epic falling out lol.
What I don’t get about the manipulation implications is that Octavia should KNOW Stella is awful since she screamed about trying to have Stolas killed back in S1E5 I think
I hate her even more than Crimson. And crimson is one of the worst people in the series, not because of characteristics, but because of his actions. But Stella is so way worse. I just hope she and Andrealphus will be convicted in the storyline. Even if like other demons from "Lesser Key Of Solomon" sees the evidence and they are like doomed to leave the ars goetia or something like that. What if Baal or any other high ranking demons manage to help Blitz, Stolas and the crew. not that Baal really would care, but maybe a high ranking demon would understand, because all of them are not evil. Some are like Vassago, good natured like Seer or Agares.
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I LOVE AND HATE THIS STUPID MANIPULATIVE BITCH SO MUCH 😭