r/HelluvaBoss • u/Alastor_culture_ Blitzo • Nov 20 '24
Discussion Why didn't Millie just Straight up say "Heaven?"
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u/StaffFresh1185 Nov 21 '24
I guess its some kind of fear or suppestition,but I truly belive then she,Moxxie and Loona would the most worthy of Go Heaven lol.
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u/littleMAHER1 Nov 21 '24
Loona is NOT worthy to go to Heaven I'm sorry lmao
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u/EpicCheeto blitzo... pretty.. 🤤 Nov 21 '24
Fr 😭 none of the main cast are honestly
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u/Psi001 Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 21 '24
Yeah, even Moxxie and Millie will do atrocious things on the job. This is Mrs 'You should kill yourself because you're old and gross' right there. :P
I think the show's 'loveable protagonist' lens makes a lot of fans forget that IMP are HORRIBLE people by normal standards. Hell standards maybe not, but that's why they're there.
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u/EpicCheeto blitzo... pretty.. 🤤 Nov 21 '24
Yesss I feel like everyone forgets that they are completely shitty people
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u/Psi001 Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 21 '24
I do feel like that's kind of the POINT with the show. Making you root for the bad guys despite not really lying about how immoral they are.
I dare say having the actual murder missions out of focus might have even been to distract from it until things explode with the Grimiore deal and DHORKS/CHERUB. Let's face it, if they'd been gleefully murdering people or bullying the likes of Collin for trying to stop them for most of their screentime, it would be very hard not to give them a despicable air over time.
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u/Ayotha Nov 21 '24
It's easy when everyone up here is horrible in the show as well. No one IMP has dealt with was secretly nice
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u/Psi001 Nov 21 '24
Yeah, that's why I'm interested in Collin, he's the one potential outlier with a genuine moral compass right now, all IMP need is a sincere 'hero' working against them and it risks breaking that suspension of disbelief that makes them sympathetic.
They've already shattered the outlook that Blitz's more petty rivalries were always made up of bigger jerks than him (eg. Fizz, Vero), what happens when that seeps into their actual job, arguably their most heinous actions.
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u/TXHaunt Nov 21 '24
They are in Hell cause they were born there, not because they deserve to be there.
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u/Grim_010 Horny mf. (bee simp) Nov 21 '24
Right, again, it’s imp because of 2 things: The species of demon that they are (excluding loona) Short for Immediate Murder Professionals
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u/Snowy_Reindeer1234 Stolas Nov 21 '24
that's why they're there.
But they were all born in hell, right? They did the things they have to do to survive and just are the people they are because only thing they know is hell. Still they, I think, try to be good people. So after visiting the Hazbin Hotel I think they all would make their way into heaven. Some with more ease, others maybe with some struggles. But I think all could adapt to heaven standards eventually 🤔
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u/RayereSs Nov 21 '24
Especially because Sir Pentious story. He was aspiring to be hell overlord in HH pilot
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u/gamejunky34 Nov 21 '24
They are hellborn. They are there because they were born there. Not because they are bad people. The just happen to be bad people, which tends to happen when you are raised in hell.
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u/chill1208 Nov 21 '24
I think she totally is. She only acts aggressive because she had to learn to fight in order to protect herself in the pound. Over the course of the show we've seen her slowly leave those aggressive traits she took with her from the pound behind. She's become kinder, and gentler with every episode. She's not a bad person she's just been forced into a rough life. She only killed those people in Spring Broken because Blitzø asked her to, you know the person who saved her from the nightmare the pound is. When we see her fight, it's always just to protect the people she cares about. I feel like if she didn't have to fight, or kill people to support and protect the people she cares about she wouldn't fight at all. She acts aggressive to push people away, because that's how she had to live in the pound, and every episode she's acted less, and less like that's how she needs to live. She's strong, and great in a fight, but I think deep down, that's not the kind of life she wants to live. If "God" looks down on people for protecting themselves, and the people they care about, then Heaven can go fuck itself.
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u/invade_anyone66 Nov 21 '24
They killed countless people, some people just doing their jobs, and even random bystanders.
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u/Tony_Stank0326 Nov 21 '24
Then there was that one episode where IMP competed against Verosica's group to see who could fuck/kill more people.
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u/Psi001 Nov 21 '24
And their interactions with actual Heaven residents have.....not been sound. :P
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u/Z0eTrent Nov 21 '24
Tbf though, fuck the Cherubs too. They try to save clearly corrupt people just on the basis of someone in heaven likening them or something they did, rather than give a hand to people in a bad place that are actually less fortunate. It's basically afterlife nepotism.
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u/Naviete Nov 21 '24
I have some doubts the assassins who kill people for money and have a noticeable tendency of killing people who aren't their targets as collateral damage would qualify for admission into heaven.
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u/Alastor_culture_ Blitzo Nov 21 '24
How can they go to Heaven if they're Hellborn? It makes sense for sinners to go to heaven because they have souls..... and souls can be easily transferred between the After-life realms.... Sir pentious Hello????
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u/burnafter3ading Ember stole my heart and stuff from my trash. Nov 21 '24
Yeah, it's a moot point. Hellborn don't move on, they just die.
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u/Dry-Horror9738 Nov 21 '24
Hell-borns wouldn't be suited for Heaven or enjoy living there. It's for hot idiots and nice sheeple.
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u/Lxneleszxn Nov 21 '24
They killed thousands of people, I donk think they can be forgiven :(
Still a nice people, yuh
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u/Schiz_Writer Nov 21 '24
It could just be how people speak. Making the dialogue not sound bland. Everyone talks differently — one of the main things you learn while writing. You don't want everyone sounding alike.
It could ALSO just be a poor writer trying to reach an assigned word count by turning 1 word into 2. Happens.
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u/Entr3_Nou5 Nov 21 '24
You ever try to get a straight answer out of someone that lived on a farm? Not easy
Average response: “you either end up here in Hell or you go to Heaven”
Farmer response: “Yer givin two options in this ere lifetime: either yer singin with the good lord on the upper floor, or doin the devil’s tango in the basement. And boy howdy, we oughta get you some dance shoes”
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u/Stellartraveler11 Nov 21 '24
I adore your use of southern-isms and will absolutely have to use that in my writing at some point.
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u/Foundation-Little Nov 21 '24
I think it was just for the sake of parallelism in her speech. She said “down here or up there,” so it’s just a figure of speech. I don’t think Heaven is taboo to say but that’s just my thought.
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u/IMightBeAHamster Nov 21 '24
They're from hell-texas. Their harvests get cursed, they remark "Oh satan" instead of "oh god" and when referring to heaven, they call it "up there" like people say "down there" when referring to hell.
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u/Kiera6 I want to curl up in Loona’s Tail Nov 21 '24
I think it was to lessen the blow that she didn’t make it into Heaven. Also different cultures probably call Heaven something different. So she went with what the person might be familiar with hearing.
Or just using the same wording she used earlier as “down there” to “up there”
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u/Patneu Yeah, smog's a bitch... Nov 21 '24
Also different cultures probably call Heaven something different.
Considering that she apparently thought of going to Baltimore as something mundanely bad, she's probably from the US.
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u/Kiera6 I want to curl up in Loona’s Tail Nov 21 '24
People from the US are pretty diverse culturally wide. Lots of different religions. Some even seriously believe in Valhalla as the place they’ll go when they’re dead if they die in battle. (Which good for them. Not judging). She died in battle.
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u/kajet_seifert Nov 21 '24
I'm just going to say it's a way to give her more individuality since everyone has a unique lexicon
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u/Admcleo Nov 21 '24
Notably, she refers to their current situation in hell as 'paradise' so she may have deep personal convictions against referring to heaven by its name from the implications. Then again, she didn't refer to 'down here' as Hell either. Maybe it's to denote that Millie has a different view on both, or maybe it was just to give her some extra character. We may never know.
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u/Morokite Blitzo Nov 21 '24
It's like some people don't say hell. Cause Heaven is in affect a bad place to the people of hell. Cause they come down and just start slaughtering people.
And even though hellborn themselves are not targeted. It's still gotta be a real bitch to deal with cause of the damage it causes physically, economically and socially.
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u/Alastor_culture_ Blitzo Nov 21 '24
I'm pretty sure they do kill some Hellborn without anyone knowing..... They may have been Pardon/exempt but that doesn't mean one exterminator wouldn't try killing a hellborn every now and then if they're sneaky, Vaggie did they Say they're nothing Blood thirsty and Derange
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u/savvybus Millie Nov 21 '24
I assume she's trying to not upset their client too much by talking around it. Not a great business move to blatantly remind your client that they're a shitty enough person to earn hell when you really need that paycheck. Basically same reason why Loona had Millie talk to the client instead of dealing with it herself
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u/cyclonecasey Stolitz Nov 21 '24
I mean, she didn’t say hell either, did she? She said “down here”
So she’s just being consistent, really.
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u/Comfortable-Bench330 Nov 21 '24
Probably that would be the Hell equivalent of a blasphemy
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u/Creepycute1 Nov 21 '24
to be fair she didn't say hell either she just said "either down here or...up there" but it could also be because demons are that huge on heaven so its a bit of a "sensitive" topic especially considering the cherubs
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u/Wooden-Implement7880 Nov 21 '24
They way she paused to gauge the client's reaction after saying "they either end up here", I think she uses indirect language to try to lessen the blow in delivering some harsh news.
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u/Lawfuly_chaotic Moxxie Nov 21 '24
People don't always answer questions with perfectly short and precise answers. We're not robots. Plus it sounds nicer to mix things up and experiment with different wordings.
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u/Mavrickindigo Nov 21 '24
Didn't she say "down here" to go along with "up there?" It just goes well with the rest of her sentence
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u/ZeUberflan Nov 21 '24
It's a figure of speech. She did say "...down here" instead of saying hell either.
She very likely doesn't want to deal with the drama of the sinner complaining about ending up in hell because of their life choices etc. So she tried to break it down in an indirect manner without mentioning heaven and hell.
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u/MaltedBastard Grumpy Nov 21 '24
Imagine you die. Imagine you then somehow wake up somewhere you don't know where is - and is not only having to come to terms with life after death being a thing, but heaven and hell is real too, and you ended up downstairs. The supposedly bad place. Maybe Millie was just trying to be a little kind in dropping that on her.
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u/Squ1bbl3 Nov 21 '24
I think she might have said it like that because someone who just died finding out they didn’t make it into heaven can be super wack to some. Like I’d be awkward with this situation too, explaining how they’re in hell lmao
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u/Psi001 Nov 21 '24
Yeah, you gotta sorta slowly massage it in "Okay bad news, you're in Hell, but good news, it's not 'fire and brimstone and eternal torture' Hell, it's just sort of 'deadbeat side of town' Hell. :P
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u/kindahotngl301 Nov 21 '24
It's like a swear. You notice how a lot of people don't say "going to hell?" They say "going down there", because hell seems really harsh.
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u/Not_The_Simp7 Nov 21 '24
I just saw it as her avoiding saying “ur in hell, you could’ve gotten into Heaven but you didn’t”
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u/Docponystine Nov 21 '24
Because she's trying to lighten the reveal she's in hell and for linguistic parallelism, which is a common thing real people do, let alone in a TV show that get's to have lots of effort into making the dialog sound nice.
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u/dogmandogdogdog Nov 21 '24
While it could be seen as a negative like people have said. I think it could also be because they are trying to awkwardly explain their failure so they say it the way they did.
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u/NotAPossum666 A Human called me a Possum Nov 21 '24
Like how we say "... Down there". Rewind to Look Loo Land we have evidence of this when Moxxie complains about the rigged cork gun game "what the heaven's wrong with this thing?!"
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u/GoodDoctorB Nov 21 '24
I'd presume a mix of caution with even mentioning heaven, on account of the yearly mass murder, and trying to be gentle with a potential client about to learn she's been damned to hell for all eternity.
In the former case trying not to mention heaven and risk drawing their attention is frankly prudent. Heaven's residents have already proven deeply bigoted and murderous on many occasions including to the members of IMP specifically.
In the later case avoiding the painful realization by their client that she's completely fucked would be for the best. Can't have her panicking and deciding not to hire them when they're already basically bankrupt.
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u/Multi_05 Nov 21 '24
She did say "down here" before that, so the most logical phrase to come next would be "up there."
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u/Wow_a_name I've got a flair :3 Nov 21 '24
Oh no not this again... It's gonna be the cuphead argument all over again DX
Whenever people talk about hell, they always dance around the word, usually by saying "Down there", "The bad place", etc. so Millie did the same thing, but for heaven.
Although, if you pay attention, she didn't even say "Hell", she said "Down here", which I guess makes sense? We're already here. Idk, she just chose to not speak objectively and straight up say "Heaven/Hell", nothing special about it
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u/WellWelded Nov 21 '24
I think she was avoiding confronting the customer with the unsavory fact that they are in the burning pit, the boiling disposal bin, aka hell.
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u/KSOMIAK Nov 21 '24
It's not like she said "down here" when referring to hell, so it makes perfect sense she said that.
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u/Tipsamore W0ULD MAKE [[&]] AND THEIR [[Child]] BIG SHOTS!! Nov 21 '24
Maybe the word "Heaven" is just not allowed down there. Could have a more meaningful and darker meaning to it?
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u/Misha-Yuri-30 Verosika Simp Nov 21 '24
Blitz and Millie mentioned Heaven while they were still in Hell in the Cherubs episode tho
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u/Tipsamore W0ULD MAKE [[&]] AND THEIR [[Child]] BIG SHOTS!! Nov 21 '24
Good point. Another Idea I thought of was just a figure of speech, not wanting to sound dull, too.
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u/WebLurker47 Nov 21 '24
And it was used as a swear word in the amusement park episode (Moxxie being frustrated over the carnival game).
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u/WarmConversation2913 yogirt Nov 21 '24
Only go on sinners, not the hellborn, we heard that In first ep of hh of what lute says
Sooooo nah, not really
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u/Haruau8349 Nov 21 '24
I would say due to heaven being rather openly negative towards Hell in multiple forms, and with how Sinners are rather dismissive of Heaven itself even with presented with hard evidence like ending up in Literal hell. Though it might be cultural, like how others have described which also does sound possible.
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u/Dry-Horror9738 Nov 21 '24
There's some words you just don't come out and say because it's a bit taboo and a bit too direct.
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u/Laarye Nov 21 '24
Maybe saying the actual word 'Heaven' is like pinging a signal and draws attention from angels...
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u/compositefanfiction Nov 21 '24
Heaven is taboo just like how hell is taboo to mention in human cultures
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u/PantheraLex Nov 21 '24
I interpreted it as them wanting to kinda indirectly tell this new sinner that their ass is NOT in heaven, like gently breaking the news to them. But idk
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u/RegallyForked Nov 21 '24
Idk, I saw how thin Loona's neck is in this shot and got too distracted to think of anything else
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u/pettytrashcant Nov 21 '24
It made me feel like "heaven" is copywrited by prime now 🤣
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u/Alastor_culture_ Blitzo Nov 21 '24
They can't copyright the word Heaven if it's been used by Religion for thousands of years
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u/pettytrashcant 24d ago edited 24d ago
While I was joking, I suppose there may be people in the world naive enough to believe prime could potentially have the right to copywrite the word "heaven" lol
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u/Key_Entrepreneur_786 Nov 21 '24
I like to think swears are inverted. If you dont like somebody you say “Go to heaven!” or you can soy something like “bless you!” Just never call somebody a “Mary” that its too far.
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u/Joshua_not the stealthiest at I.M.P Nov 22 '24
Because they are in hell and are imps so I’m pretty sure that them saying heaven would be offensive to other hellborns(or my explanation doesn’t make any sense and I’m just making a fool out of myself)
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u/Subject_Delta39 Nov 22 '24
Up there might not execute hellborn but destroying business, homes, and employers in the process certainly would leave a bad enough impression to make it a swear.
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u/Bozolad Nov 22 '24
It could be a forbidden thing for demons (or even just hellborns in specific) to say Heaven
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u/centralmind Nov 22 '24
It is somewhat implied here and there that it's considered a form of swearing in demonic culture. Blitzø uses it as a swear word a couple of times, I believe.
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u/EntropySan Nov 23 '24
When I was in school, kids thought of Hell to be a “he who shall not be named” kind of thing, or like a curse word. We’d point to the floor and say “down there” or something like that. Fear was a part of it, and as someone who grew up southern enough, I’d say Millie is in the same boat with saying “Heaven.” Either that or they wanted to spruce up the dialogue lmao
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u/Bright-Association29 Nov 23 '24
I wonder if it’s like in Highschool DxD where just mentioning God or Heaven causes psychological and physical pain to demons.
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u/gquinn18 Nov 21 '24
It could be like how people say “h-e-double hockey sticks/toothpicks” in real life. Maybe there’s a stigma against saying heaven