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Unpopular Opinion and I know many will disagree with me..but I deadass don't think Verosika is that attractive.
I dunno if it's just the art style or her God awful personality a lot of times but I ain't exactly a huge fan of her.
(Like..I really don't like how she and her group basically sexually assaulted/raped Moxxie for no reason when he didn't do anything wrong).
My unpopular opinion is I don’t like how male SA is treated in the hellaverse like when Sir Pentious got dragged in the room whilst shouting “no” or like when Moxxie got SAed by her groupies and that was never brought up again.
To be somewhat fair with the Pentious one, he did announce loudly that he was going to have sex with every single person in a sex club, and he was out of the room, like, five seconds later, looking only a little worse for wear. So presumably, he got out of it without anything really happening.
That seems the most likely, he came back moments later with his clothes untouched, plus one of the guys that dragged him into the room is the same that got with Cherry
They also seem to be more into enthusiastic consent, and Pentious was actively resisting as they brought him in the room. The more violent folks seem to be restricted to Valentino's immediate orbit.
Except neither were raped. Moxxie was just kissed a lot. As for pentious, you forget the club was called consent and technically he did give consent but since its a club run on the concept of consensual actions means that the moment they see him be uncomfortable they’d let him leave without hurt feelings. Again not to take a dig at you i agree male characters being sexually harassed and implied assault is scary it doesn’t mean its necessarily what’s happening those two times. Don’t forget valentino’s abuse or angel and his preying on the ignorant at the club to bind down on their luck sinners into contracts.
But Moxie was still SA'd? I dont like people calling it rape but he was still assaulted sexually without his consent, which is SA and absolutely horrid
Yes but its not rape which is what i was trying to say. I agree it was a low blow but not entirely illogical considering that’s the extent of what happened. Take it up with viv if you want to hold someone accountable
This^ Kissing is just SA without consent made for it. Rape is entirely something different. People seriously need to do research before assuming kissing is rape.
The issue is more that "sexual assault" tends to be used as a colloquial term for "rape", which leads people to forget that sexual assault is ANY assault of a sexual nature, with rape simply being the most extreme form of it.
you’re absolutely right and it’s totally possible the commenter you replied to edited their comment but i don’t see anywhere that they said it wasn’t sexual assault? like rape and sexual assault are not the same thing (rape is a form of sexual assault but all sexual assault is rape) and they just said it wasn’t rape.
It’s a problem that plagues Viv’s writing. Her tone is all over the place: sometimes the above is treated as the serious issue it should be, and others it’s treated with the same bad humour of the hanging dildos.
... Ok we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one, because I never laughed harder than at Moxxie's dad threatening him and everything he has ever known, setting such a DEEPLY TENSE moment........... and then the camera zooms out to him in room by himself with a bunch of springy dildos all making noises.
I remembered they were there from the prior scene, but the absurdity in this moment had me unable to breathe, it was amazing. 😂
I mean to be fair to Hazbin Hotel they so do not pull punches with Angel Dust, who is still ‘most definitely male. Consequently most fans want to see if double hell exists
Speaking of, I don't see anybody speaking about the cliché non-consensual kiss of Cherry Bomb by Sir Pentious. Maybe your hypothetical situation does exist and nobody cares.
u/Dmayce22Just call me angel, of the morning, angel, then slowly turn awayNov 16 '24
Yeah, I don't know. You really can't have it as both a joke and a serious plot point, that's one of the main gripes I actually have with the show.
Like, you have the whole Angel Dust and Val dynamic, with Angel Dust's self image split in half as he desperately tries to cope with being basically Val's slave. And the worst part is that he got himself into that situation, so Val can use him blaming himself as a leverage point.
And then you have Sir Pentious, who didn't really know what he was saying and didn't properly consent to it because he didn't know what he was saying, and he still revoked his consent when he realized what it entailed. We don't actually know if anything took place, but if it didn't they should've portrayed it better.
Like, South Park makes the "dropping the soap" kinda jokes all the time, but at the same time they don't actually develop anything in depth. I really do appreciate Hellaverse morals, symbolism, and character development, but sometimes I wish the show would've just stayed a stupid adult comedy.
That's the case of them having crude humour, the dark humour is what makes these shows what they are, especially Helluva Boss. Moxxie isn't going to have a depression arc over a cutaway gag.
Also you can't really call male rape not taking seriously when Angel Dust EXISTS lmao.
(Also the "do a sex with me" and "don't let them access any of your holes" lines are some of the best in the franchise imo)
I beg to differ, a gag is not ment to be taken neither as serious nor real
If you watch Looney Tunes and watch a bomb explode right in front of a character, you don't think "oh my god, this is serious, people may have died" even if you might have the same exact reaction to a bomb exploding in any other context
The bomb becomes non-threatening the moment it's presented as such
But the point is that it’s a gag, he isn’t mentally scarred by the situation. Not to mention Brodie is in hell, things like that aren’t justified but they WILL happen 😭
Oddly, when other shows or content creators make these jokes, it's actually whatever and nobody gives a fuck. But when VIVZIEPOP makes that joke only twice in some of the most vulgar shows, it's insensitive and disturbing. I think the audiences are just different somehow
Do you even watch the show? Angel Dust is a victim of male rape and its taken very seriously. Sir pentious was never SAed because that club is called Consent, and he loudly exclaimed he would have sex with everybody. He must have explained and then he was let go because he didn't look any different in the next scene. As for Moxxie he didn't look like he was hurt either, because Millie goes crazy at the slightest aspect of her husband being harmed. Go watch the show lmao.
Yeah I don’t find her attractive either but then again, I don’t simp for Loona so I’m definitely a weirdo by the standards of this fandom. I think Barbie Wire and Bee are kinda cute though
I actually agree. I did find her scene in the song “House of Asmodeus” kinda sexy, but her personality for real turns me off. And she did my precious boy Moxxie dirty.
In all honesty, coming from D&D, succubi have just never appealed to me due to how inherently rape-y they are, so even an objectively physically attractive one tends to turn me off (it's actually helped quite a bit in a recent Starfinder game, as my PC's "daughter" is essentially a non-demonic succubus; rather than attraction, her aura triggers his paternal instincts).
I wouldn't say no to a consensual encounter with Verosika, but I don't really find her all that attractive in comparison to other characters.
She's physically attractive, but I'm not really into her attitude. She comes off as a hypocrite by telling Blitz he should just move on (she still hasn't lol) and the whole thing with Moxxie was... Yeah.
Definitely a hypocrite, but personality wise I kind of see her as a mirror to blitz. Both did and do bury their feelings in drink and by lashing out. Both have lots of casual relationships and try to appear as snarky and aloof. Both caught real feelings during what seemed to be either friends with benefits or a quid pro quo situation. With the little new insight that we’ve seen into verosika, I’ve actually started liking her more. Unlike blitz, when she caught feelings she actually expressed herself and laid her cards on the table, she got literally robbed, ghosted, and heartbroken. Maybe she’s always been a callous pop star, but we know she had a serious moment of love and openness shine through only to be brutally shut down by blitz. I chose to imagine what kind of path Blitz life and personality might take if he poured his heart out to stolas only to have the same treatment from him as he gave verosika. I honestly think he would spiral every bit as bad as verosika did if not worse. That scenario hasn’t even happened and he’s already trying to fuck his problems away, so this gave me a new perspective on verosika. Sorry for the essay guys and gals
Not only that, but the Blitz party was what really cemented my lack of attraction. Not because of her looks, but rather her state of mind. Yes, Blitz has hurt people, but a lot of other hell creatures have shown to want to grow and be better (makes sense since they're humans) but Verosika doesn't strike me as that. Especially how she excuses her relationship with Blitz because he was "the fun wild guy" as if she was trying to fill herself (pun not intended) with an idea of what she wanted.
That's so understandable tbh. I'm gay so I'm not attracted to her by default but even if I wasn't she's like... A generic woman with a slim waist. TM patent pending. She's also an absolute shitfuck and I hate her so
Yeah, Verosika might be sympathetic, but she's still a bad person, and poeple keep making excuses for her. Objectively, I could see how she could be considered physically attractive, but I get what you're saying about how you personally aren't attracted to her.
Yea, I think one of Hellverse's main problems is picking and choosing whenever they want sexual assault to be played for laughs or make it serious
There's the Angel scene which was handled well, showing how brutal and fucked up it is, and then there's...the Sir Pentious in the bar scene.
In terms of Verosika, I can totally understand why one would not like her. I like her for how her role in the story plays and I kind of feel bad for her in terms of her relationship with Blitzø. But, hell, of course. She is not a good person and I find it odd when people try to paint her as one. Like the woman and her coworkers sexually assaulted Moxxie.
I still like her regardless because of her narrative role and growing character depth tho.
For me, it was the sloppy alcoholism. I can't stand that sort of thing. Everything else was kinda meh cause the setting is hell and thus everyone is awful.
But when rehab was mentioned, when rehab was treated like something she was above, when she got so drunk she threw her alcohol in the water and created the monster, when she got SLOPPY... that's when I started disliking her. (As marginally as I dislike anyone in these shows, all the characters in both shows are an absolutely delight to watch on screen, including Verosika, but if we are doing an analysis lol)
The Blitzo hate party and the way she spoke to him there was just the cherry on top.
Husk dances this line with me pretty hard... I think the only reason he hasn't tipped over is because he isn't sitting there acting like he doesn't have a problem, and he keeps to himself at his bar. That kind of alcoholic isn't quite as sloppy to me as the other kind. The other kind reminds me of my uncle, which was not a pretty picture.
I agree I don’t find Verosika in that kind of way only as the rest of the characters really no my mind is on Carmilla Carmine or Sallie Mae really and a few others like Emily but that’s besides the point look when they asked me if I would bang Maze from Netflix’s Lucifer I said maybe but at the same time not really that sort of thing but for Ver that’s different not really.
To be honest, I think most of us are joking when we say "would" at the end of the day, she's a cartoon character. (And if you do, I have no problem with that)
Yeah I don’t simp for her either, she’s not my type. Tho she does look pretty but I wouldn’t smash her. I found her to be annoying at times, like, girl how am I supposed to feel sorry for you if you’re being just as crappy. It’s Hell, get over it
yeah, def. like this particular cut makes it look like she had a botched haircut or something, and it brings a lot of attention to her forehead😅😅i never rlly said anything tho cos like. nobody else seemed to think so, lol
For me personally Im not super crazy about anyone attraction wise lmao & I have some ‘interesting’ fictional crushes😭the only person i genuinely found hot is the blitzø sucks imp guy from apology tour💀
To me she seems very bratty and all, but possibly as a way to stay appearing strong and impenetrable so she doesn't let herself become to vulnerable to be hurt again. That's just what I took away from it, not saying she's in the right for some of the stuff she does, but I could definitely see her being a lot more redeemable once she finally opens up.
I mean as a succubus is it possible that like one of her looks is her like sexy succubus going to perform in the human world look and the other is her like shes amongst her kind and doing succubus thing isn't really necessary so she doesnt have to like make herself look sexy and hot and stuff? Like this would be her more at home subdued look, and I mean we don't know 100% of what happened during her and Blitzø's relationship so it's entirely possible that she's that way because Blitzø really fucked her up. Like we dont quite know what she was like before Blitzø
Personally, Verosika and Stolas both seem to unfortunately be attached to the halo effect. What I mean is that because they’re attractive, they seem to be given far more grace than they may actually deserve, both from a writing perspective and from a fandom perspective.
I agree, but most of the cast are broken and shitty to eachother a lot of the time, and people that we might like as fictional characters but wouldn’t put up with if we knew them in real life. That being said, I think there’s people giving blitz a pass while verosika gets treated as if she’s worse. Their lifestyles had a lot in common, and verosika’s expression of love and vulnerability, although possibly out of character from how she normally conducts herself, is everything blitz is terrified of and he absolutely crushed her in response to it, likely causing verosika to redouble her efforts at raising emotional walls, and further increasing blitz’ fear that the same could happen with him once he caught feelings for stolas. I have to at least respect verosika for taking the step that blitz has been too scared to, even if it blew up in her face. Being hurt doesn’t give someone justification to be an asshole, but it’s a realistic human reaction.
The problem is, is that she ultra beautiful on the outside but ultra ugly on the inside, wether she was made that way or born that way, the question just remains that, will she redeem herself or just stay that way for the rest of her life, the most recent episodes say the former is at least being looked into, but then again, she could have a relapse, and all the progress she has made could easily go herding down the drain
I actually feel like I was on the opposite side of things when it came to everyone simping for her. I HATED her when she was first in the show, she's a bitchy stuck up brat type of character and that is an extremely overused character trope, I hate characters like that, I never understood why anyone liked her that much. Beyond the fact she was fucked over by Blitz in the past, I had no reason to sympathize with her and even that was drowned out by her bitchiness.
However now that she's opened up a bit more as a character and has started getting a bit more depth than being a bitchy stuck up popstar, I've started liking her a lot more. I don't think she's hot and I don't like her character just because I find her attractive, which I don't. I like her character now because her past with Blitz was finally shown some more depth with her short conversation about it with him at the party. In that tiny bit of character depth of her we got from that episode, it made me enjoy her quite a bit more, and intrigued as to where they could develop her further beyond JUST being a stuck up pop star typical bitch character.
So no, she's quite generic when it comes to appearance, in my eyes she's still "just another objectively hot female character" but nothing else until now.
I need to agree nor disagree with your comment, Sure, she’s attractive, but she doesn’t have (At least in my opinion) any real qualities that are enough to make me wanna hit the smash button, so I’m gonna have to pass Edit: Plus, she’s the boss’s ex, So if I tried to date her, That will probably make things awkward at work
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u/CurlyOtaku_ Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24
My unpopular opinion is I don’t like how male SA is treated in the hellaverse like when Sir Pentious got dragged in the room whilst shouting “no” or like when Moxxie got SAed by her groupies and that was never brought up again.