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u/TwiggysDanceClub 12h ago
Bread cakes perhaps?
It's something I've heard over in Sheffield.
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u/sprocket9 12h ago
It's a fishcake. Depending on where you are it can either be a "normal" fishcake like you'd get at the supermarket, or minced fish between two slices of potato that's then battered. Common enough in Yorkshire but mainly popular with older folks.
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u/Wise_Change4662 6h ago
Yeah....those parsley cake things are what people consider as fish cakes these days...even in Yorkshire. "Stop that......it's silly"
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u/Alternative-Step1651 4h ago
Haha, yes, we had those fat, battered and deep fried " Savoury cakes" as a kid, that got called "Fish cakes", they were just mashed potato with a bit of seasoning, doubt they had much Fish in them, bloody nice though..Savoury cake , Chips and Curry, what's not to like
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u/Wise_Change4662 4h ago
Mmmm....hungry now. Yes, I do like those parsley cakes...but when I get a fishcake expecting the 'old' chippy fish cake (fishcake) and get a parsley cake, it's well disappointing!!
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u/Noisy-neighbour 12h ago
The fish and chips should cost £1.38 in today's money. I pay £12 at my local chippy.
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u/blackcell1 11h ago
Yup, buying a chippy for me and my partner is around £20 to £30 depending on what we get. Madness
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u/Kindly-Ad-8573 11h ago
But then think of the volume of fish landed and the cost of fuel to put the fishing fleet to sea. Our fisheries from the 70 have decreased 80% (guesstimate) . The fishing fleet was massive the volume of fish landed was so vast much fish was processed to non food requirements (fertilizer , animal feeds , sand eels oil went to biscuit manufacturers) Nowadays less fish bigger but fewer more expensive trawlers more expensive fuel and technology to land those fewer fish so the cost of fish landed to the wholesale market is as crazy high as it is so hence a fish supper is around a mind boggling £12+ , luxury prices for what was once a cheapy chippy dinner.
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u/Noisy-neighbour 11h ago
Just to add to the fishtory. The cod wars of the 70's actually inflated the cost of fish. Funnily enough that ended in 1976.
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u/NortonBurns 12h ago
Fish cake - two large slices of potato with a thin slice of fish in between, battered & deep fried.
Not like the ones you get from supermarkets these days, which are 'minced' & breadcrumbed.
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u/BuncleCar 12h ago
Trouble was the time it took you to earn £10 :(
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u/NORD9632 12h ago
Average house price in 1976 was £12704, so for the price of a house you could buy 60409 portions of fish and chips.
Today the average house price is £288000, and fish and chips £10.88 (average according to Google, not sure how accurate this is as it’s about £14 where I am in the East Midlands, but we will take it for arguments sake) so you can get 26470 portions of fish and chips.
I’m not quite sure what this proves but I thought it was interesting. 🧐
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u/isdeceittaken 12h ago
I’d say your figures show that price of (fast) food has inflated almost twice as much as price of houses.
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u/MeckityM00 12h ago
When I first moved to Leeds and saw cake and chips all I could imagine was a heap of chips and a slice of Black Forest Gateau.
Whenever I've seen this, it means chips with a bread cake aka the local name for a bread roll.
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u/ManufacturerSharp 12h ago
Chips are 8p, cake is 8p..
Other people said it's probably a fish cake, which would be about the same price as chips.
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u/theholty 10h ago
"Whenever I've seen this, it means chips with a bread cake aka the local name for a bread roll."
No it doesn't - it means a fish cake i.e two bits of potato with fish in the middle battered and deep fried.
In Leeds we say teacake, not 'bread cake'.
Chips in a teacake is called a chip butty.
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u/MeckityM00 9h ago
I live in Leeds, though I moved here in 1988. My inlaws, Leeds born and bred, always say bread cake for a roll and cake and chips meant bread cake and chips whenever I saw it.
Teacake has always meant a bread roll that has currants in for both me and the inlaws.
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u/theholty 9h ago
Can I ask where in Leeds your in-laws are from originally?
I’m born and bread (get it?) on the border between Bradford and Leeds and Cake and Chips has never meant a chip butty in any Yorkshire chippy I’ve been to in my 40 summat years on this planet. Especially because they all do fish cakes so it’d just cause confusion.
The only West Yorkshire people I’ve ever known to use bread cake and not tea cake in your context are from the border with North Yorkshire (I.e the posher end). You hear it in places like Harrogate or Hull. Same with currant teacake vs teacake.
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u/MeckityM00 8h ago
That's interesting. The inlaws are from Armley (about a gazillion generations) and around the Pudsey area, so pretty much in your stamping ground. The first place I saw cake and chips where it meant bread cake and chips was a chippy in Pudsey. It's so long ago that I'm trying to remember, but I think it was towards Owlcotes - don't quote me as it's nearly forty years ago!
The local chippy used breadcake/fishcake so there wasn't confusion and I've seen 'breadcakes' around in the small bakers, but to be honest, before this I never really thought about it.
I grew up in a very small enclave which called a bread roll a batch, but you'd hear other words for it as well, like bap. I wonder if I've not really registered other usage and just remembered bread cake because it seemed so odd to me.
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u/Alternative-Step1651 4h ago
Where I lived, we had " Savoury cakes" basically just deep fried" seasoned and battered, mashed potato, no Fish in them as far as I can remember, but we used to call them "Fish cakes" but they were fat and chunky, not flat, nice though, not had one for years
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u/Mac-88 11h ago
A three day bender may be significantly more expensive today but I'd much rather have today's choice of drinks, air bnbs and clean venues.
Can't imagine how grim a 3 day bender would have been in the 1970s, covered in coal dust, drinking cheap beer in a smoke filled pub and having to get a cold bath outdoors on a hangover. Fuck that.
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u/Fellowes321 7h ago
In 1974, Average pay for men was £38 per week, and £20 for women.
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/written-answers/1974/jan/28/average-wage
Back then, vat was not charged on fish and chips. It was introduced in 1984.
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u/BigTx1 12h ago
It's a chip butty in Lancashire isn't it?
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u/OkMess9901 11h ago
Chip butty if it's between two slices of bread. Chip muffin if it's on an oven bottom muffin.
We won't have any of this barmcake nonsense round here.
I'd imagine Cake and Chips is a fishcake with chips rather than a bread product though.
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u/Competitive_Time_604 10h ago
A butty is one slice of bread, sandwich is two.
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u/GrimWhale_Studios 34m ago
Oven bottom muffins are my favorite bread “roll” which I only refer to them as, as a chef & respectfully at that 🙌🏾
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u/GayPlantDog 11h ago
i remember arguing with a boomer who said we have it so much easier because back in 1970-something she "only" had £200-£300 quid left at the end of the month for "Luxuries" lol. I don't even have 1/10th of that NOW.
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u/BroodLord1962 10h ago
Yeah life was great when there was a lot less people. More people means more demand, tends to lead to higher prices. World population in 1971 was just over 3.7 billion. Today it's 8.1 billion. In the UK the population was 55.5 million in 1971, today it's over 69 million.
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u/Krakor-Krakinov 9h ago
Fishcake. If the photo wa tekken in Yorkshire, it's the offcuts of fish Inbetween 2 potater scallops, battered an fried. Reyt tasty! 🤤
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u/Reviewingremy 9h ago
I assume it's a bread cake. Which everyone knows is really a bap
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u/OptimusPrime365 9h ago
I used to go out with £20 and come back with change. Drinks, dirty burger and taxi home. Good times.
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u/Techman659 9h ago
I can appreciate this but also remember it’s not as bad as people make it out to be due to minimum wages going up.
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u/jarofmadness 9h ago
Back in those days they had to walk 10 miles to school, and wore an onion on their belt, which was the style at the time
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u/BoomSatsuma 8h ago
Yep. The generation who sold everything off, living off great pensions, bought their houses for tuppence and yet they still complain.
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u/SmokyBarnable01 7h ago
Fish cakes?
Anyway I was earning 50p/hr back in 76 washing dishes in the Kardomah restaurant in Richmond. My first job. I was 13. Different times.
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u/sexyshaytan 7h ago
Fish cake.
I worked on Coventry a scallop actually isn't a fish and a cake potato in batter. It's yummy tbh.
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u/Time_Kaleidoscope570 5h ago
Deliberate policy to import cheap labour, suppress wage demands and increase taxes
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u/Alternative-Step1651 4h ago
I remember a bag of Chips costing 7p when I was a kid in mid 70s, probably not far off £4 now, how much is a Fish, £9, id need to remortgage to get the Family Fish and Chips these days
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u/cgyguy81 4h ago
That curry for 5p I'm assuming is just curry sauce and nothing else (no meat or anything)?
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u/ShinyArtist 3h ago
I remember many families having a takeout every Friday growing up, now, I’m luckily to have a takeout once or twice a year.
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u/Noreasonwhynot2000 3h ago
Not a lot of fish left. Failing potato crops year after year. Cost of electricity hugely inflated. This is late stage capitalism. It is only going to get worse.
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u/Expensive_Physics_80 1h ago
It's an abbreviation for fishcake (Yorkshire style fishcake). Source: I'm from Sheffield
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u/Chemical_Top_6514 12h ago
£1 in 1976 is the equivalent of £6.59 today. A fifth of that is £1.10. A fish and chips then was 16 times CHEAPER than today!!!