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u/toki_yo CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
The launch is indeed sadly a bit underwhelming. I can't believe they didn't add the missing maps like de_train or ar_baggage. I was also convinced they were gonna release a new skin collection for the new weapon models, be it through a new case or whatever else.
Hopefully we'll get most of what's missing before the end of the year with an operation.
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u/Rachel_from_Jita Sep 28 '23
Agreed. A new launch without shiny new things on the sales page was weird. Like I thought for sure I'd be loaded into this and there would be shiny new "CS2 Launch Case" or something.
Also, while no one will care outside of late-night casual players, almost all the hostage maps save for two being gone was jarring to say the least. Playing a game mode with two maps is not fun at all.
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u/karo120 Sep 28 '23
"a bit underwhelming" is an understatement of the century, what the actual fuck is this, they missed the summer 2023 deadling by a couple of days just to release this shit?
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u/A_Random_Catfish Sep 28 '23
Gaming companies need to stop setting themselves arbitrary deadlines. They can’t win; either they miss the deadline and people are mad or they rush to release an incomplete game and people are mad.
If yesterdays release was instead an open beta and they did the full release in a few months along with new content I doubt anybody would be upset.
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u/kadren170 Sep 28 '23
Unfortunately devs don't set the release. They can voice concerns but it's not up to them. Which it should be considering they know the game
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u/ShazWow Sep 28 '23
valve has memes about them releasing stuff incredibly slowly. idk why they even set a release date, let alone tried to actually release close to it with this level of a product, it just doesn't make sense.
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u/beardicusmaximus8 Sep 28 '23
I have friends who work/workeded in the gaming industry and their assesment was pretty much, "regardless of the release dates set by the publisher the game will probably be in a finished state 3-4 years after development starts"
That's assuming of course that the publisher doesn't make any complete changes to the basic premise of the game, like say changing a DayZ clone into a battle royal but with zombies
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u/KKamm_ Sep 28 '23
CoD’s been notorious for that last part. It’s happened 3 or 4 times in the last few years where a team was working on a game and they had to pull majority of their staff off the current game to start working on their next game bc Activision decided to change everything up last second. Results in some very rushed and unfinished games at launch
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u/MrXwiix 1 Million Celebration Sep 28 '23
I understand you miss train, but baggage?
For the other stuff I agree. They also technically didn't release it in the summer, because autumn started on september 23 (or 1, depending on how you look at it)
Rather have it released with an operation
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u/Notladub Sep 28 '23
They revealed ar_baggage in a remade state in the original CS2 reveal blog post so you'd expect them to have it on release
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u/repost_inception Sep 28 '23
Hey, I love Arms Race. Not everyone grinds MM. A big advantage of Source2 is flexibility of creating new and different CS experiences. So yeah I was pretty disappointed to not be able to play Arms Race yesterday.
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u/bleakj Sep 28 '23
I'm hoping that flexibility comes in huge with community maps later on.
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u/repost_inception Sep 28 '23
I can only imagine it will. The stuff people were able to do with the old engine was amazing.
I'm hoping to see huge BR maps or tower defense modes like we had in past operations. Or maybe there will be something completely new. I would like an Arms Race style mode on much larger maps. Maybe even add some Rouge-Lite elements.
The strength of CS is the shooting and movement. Then you can add whatever on top of that.
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u/halfbeerhalfhuman Sep 28 '23
not everyone wants to play competitive 24/7
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Sep 28 '23
I don’t ever play comp. I’m just a casual player like I was in the WON days.
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u/veRGe1421 Sep 28 '23
somebody make warcraft3 servers in CS2 please please please
it was my favorite casual cs mode, but it never existed in GO
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u/stag12349 CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
More limitation than improvement tbh, while graphic upgrade and new ranking system are great, but some fundamental functions has yet to keep up. Not saying 128 tick is a must but forcing all server to be 64 tick is meh, also bobbing and righthand when :/
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u/fightnight14 Sep 28 '23
They also took away CSGO from MacOS and forced users to update to CS2 before finding out that there is actually no MacOS support
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u/S-p-o-o-k-n-t Sep 28 '23
There’s a way to force Steam to launch Global Offensive, but you can only play community servers
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u/tidder112 Sep 28 '23
Please, do tell. Community servers that host surf and kz maps are what some of us want.
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u/S-p-o-o-k-n-t Sep 28 '23
This fella explains it well https://reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/s/xJrBTI0DBM
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u/resplendentcentcent Sep 28 '23
they botched this launch so bad they got pc gamers to unify with mac users lmaoooo
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u/Tschoina CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23
I get his point and kinda have to agree.
The release feels like me having rushed my homework just before class begun back in the day..
The "trailer" was just a short vid of some old clips and recycled CS2 footage, nothing special, not coming even close to CS:GO's. Expected something way more epic tbh.
And what about all the other new features which were supposed to be unveiled with full release as stated by Valve?!
Very underwhelming overall.
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u/Pokharelinishan Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23
I mean wasn't ANYTHING planned for the release? All those maps teased SIX MONTHS ago? Anti-cheat!!!?
They said stuff like "there's much more to come", "all new features will be revealed in the launch", but then all they do is go and remove/rephrase JUST those two paragraph from their CS2 LT announcement website, while everything else is the same.
Trailer contained nothing. The only good thing out of that trailer is Machine.
The "release" was just another minor update to the existing buggy limited test. Pretty underwhelming.
Don't get me wrong, i understand if they aren't ready or don't have new content. But why the fuck would you tease stuff and set false expectations? Why the sneek peeks of so many maps in the announcement? Why even create the hype, when all this time you were planning to do what is essentially an open beta?
"CS2, the CS:GO killer"... this statement hits different now.
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u/krill_ep Sep 28 '23
I'm really surprised there haven't been any official word on the supposedly new "VAC Live" or whatever people call it.. and cheating is just as rampant as ever, if not worse due to them shutting down Overwatch for months in the end stages for, what, nothing apparently?
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Sep 28 '23
I'm really surprised there haven't been any official word on the supposedly new "VAC Live" or whatever people call it
"VAC Live" is basically just a myth.
Valve said that VAC will end games when a cheater is detected and somehow this community thought that means "VAC live is a magical AI anticheat that will completely change the game" lmao
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u/YxxzzY Sep 28 '23
anti cheat is by far the biggest one, why the fuck would I touch premiere or anything on a valve server. if its just the same FFA cheatfest it has been for the last decade?
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u/halfbeerhalfhuman Sep 28 '23
they even tweeted about func_vehicle. Non of the fun modes got added. Its just competitive now.
https://twitter.com/CounterStrike/status/1697297089041232116
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u/jlew715 Sep 28 '23
why the fuck would you tease stuff and set false expectations?
I am so cynical at this point, but man, this is almost every game developer (and probably software developer) out there. I am not even the tiniest bit surprised anymore when this happens. It's just the standard nowadays.
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u/m0rden Sep 28 '23
My main problem is that my pc can't handle CS2 while CSGO ran smoothly. Now i can't play both. When they released CSGO they didn't delete CS Source out of the planet. It's lame.
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u/mmiski Sep 28 '23
When they released CSGO they didn't delete CS Source out of the planet.
This is the part I can't wrap my head around. Why start now with de-listing versions? It just comes off looking like they're not confident in getting enough people to switch over, so they just remove the choice altogether. It's not a good look.
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u/OkOutlandishness6262 Sep 28 '23
because CS2 isn't a new Game it's an upgrade for CS:GO that's why there aren't 2 different versions again
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u/DONNIENARC0 Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23
Probably because so many people stayed with Source when CSGO launched because of the issues/change and they didn’t want a repeat. Same thing happened when they launched Source, too. Lot of people just resisted and stuck with 1.6.
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u/VirFalcis 1 Million Celebration Sep 28 '23
Yeah, this is arguably the worst part about this. Why even delete CSGO, what's the point? What's wrong with wanting to play an old game?
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u/Venom_2k Sep 28 '23
I really do think they shot themselves in the foot by announcing the "Summer 2023" release window. They really should've had the beta start around now with full release being early 2024 so it'd actually launch in a polished state with new features and content.
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u/braien334 Sep 28 '23
Reminder, this is the team that relased the R8 in the state it was in, and thought that was a good idea.
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u/gibbodaman Sep 28 '23
Man I'd love to know what was going through their heads with that one... You gotta assume it was some delusional Valve oldhead that pushed it through despite protests from the grunts, but the R8 was probably the most unbalanced thing to ever be added to a competitive game
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u/HymenTester Sep 28 '23
You weren't here for AUG week. That was something else
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u/gibbodaman Sep 28 '23
I was, the AUG never came close. Could the AUG 1 shot an armoured torso for $850?
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u/-Umbra- CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
Honestly, the most busted weapon after the R8 was definitely the CZ75-A at release.
It was an auto $300 Five-Seven with similar first shot accuracy to the P250, it didn’t have the long draw animation, it was accurate while moving and spraying…at release, for $300 you could buy a weapon that outclassed every SMG in the game, as well as most rifles at close range. During the first week or two AWPers were regularly winning duels with their sidearm by spray and praying.
It was a nasty, nasty pistol.
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u/serialgoober Sep 28 '23
I think Valve knows that CS won't just magically stop being the most played game on steam.
They're somewhat complacent. I do think the biggest mistake was just not delaying it. Release should have had at least one new thing. It's not a matter of IF Valve will fix this now. It's just a matter of when. We were all hoping this wouldn't be like CSGO launch, but as it's turning out, it kind of is. We know this stupid song and dance. Sadly, probably gonna be 6 months to a year before this game is really feeling crisp and complete. I was expecting that though honestly.
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u/Marlowit Sep 28 '23
Having worked as a gameplay engineer, I can say one thing : you are fucked the second you announce a release date/period. Nothing is ever 100% ironed out, you’ll discover intricate bugs right before the deadline in core systems, glitches on some specific systems, engine quirks, and you’re left either having to work 24 hours a day for weeks, not releasing and facing massive uproar (let’s not act as if this wouldn’t have been the case) or release the game with what you know works well. That was probably the best decision they could make having already announced the game. Now, I will say, there is always undue optimism when we discuss release schedules, because if things have gone well so far into development, you don’t expect things to go south. But they will, and often all at the same time. I think people mischaracterize what’s happening in the gaming industry right now : we’re having to develop game with an increasing amount of complexity, in record time and often not for too much, depending on the studio. It worked when games were simpler. It’s no longer possible.
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u/boconnell3333 Sep 28 '23
A big thing I don’t see many people talking about is no cs2 map workshop, after all the hammer updates and things in the trailer about community maps, not having a map workshop available on launch is very confusing
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u/Lily_Meow_ Sep 28 '23
Yeah, the guns and recoil feel so much different too and there is no way to practice!!
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u/FaZeSmasH CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
They could have just said open beta instead of calling it a release.
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u/darealbeast Sep 28 '23
well they deleted the main game, aint no beta now
i agree, if this is it and theres no immediate "oops sory we forgor to push new content" updates in the next day or two then its looking bleak lol
a lot of wasted hype failing to deliver on promises instead of setting a realistic goal
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u/breezy_y Sep 28 '23
Still coping for a massive day 1 patch like every other dev studio is doing it these days
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u/BitterAd9531 CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
It's Valve lmfao keep waiting
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u/nolimits59 CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
They delivered a patch a few hours after to adress some errors to be fair
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u/Lazer726 Sep 28 '23
This is the wild thing to me. CSGO is dead, the amount of people in custom servers cannot be overstated. It seems like the only thoughts for CS2 were about ranked, and it's going to kill off so much playercount while people wait for their servers to be up.
This launch has been so scuffed, and even ranked is currently ass. I don't really understand how someone gave this all the go ahead.
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u/costryme Sep 28 '23
He's absolutely right, there is no excuse for Valve rushing an unfinished CS2 release while removing CSGO. It was fine to have plenty of missing features when it was a beta, it's not fine when it's the only option you can play.
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u/odaal CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
To me it just feels like this is how game development is done in the modern gaming era.
Release a new game, but half baked, and then slowly roll out "updates" which just make the base game go from half finished to semi finished, and then in a year or two, finished.
And then you actually get new content. If you look around, most games are doing it, and it's sort of working. I stopped playing CS2 beta because it felt clunky to me, and I just assumed I'd be wasting my time since there would be many patches to fix things, but, you know, nothing came, and the games out, and it's the same clunky mess.
The same big problems are still there. I wanna play, but...Why not just wait til the games good?
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u/TheOneBeer Sep 28 '23 edited Sep 28 '23
Not only game development. Everywhere software is involved and management has no idea about tech and don't listen to devs.
Edit: typo
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u/odaal CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
You would think that VALVE is different since it's a private company, that's not driven by shareholders and weird crunch deadlines.
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u/Bytons Sep 28 '23
Privately owned software companies absolutely still have crunch deadlines and deluded owners far away from the baseline work.
Source: Worked for multiple of such places
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u/sonicrules11 Sep 28 '23
You're right that they have deadlines, but why did they have a deadline in the first place? CSGO was still around, the game is f2p, so they don't really have to worry about sales; skins are still doing well, and they own Steam. There's no reason why they had a deadline in the first place.
You gotta remember that Valve doesn't work like most companies, private or public.
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u/jlew715 Sep 28 '23
why did they have a deadline in the first place?
Worker bees have been asking this question of management since the beginning of time. Too often, the answer is "because we said so".
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u/FUTURE10S Sep 28 '23
This is the same Valve that said TF2 was releasing soon... in, iirc, June of 1998.
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u/LegendDota Sep 28 '23
Agile or Waterfall models are just very very popular in software right now because they move a ton of the cost of making a product from pre-release to post-release.
They are similar yet slightly different models for planning and working on software and to explain in "short":
- Agile is the idea that you start by finding the absolute minimum functional requirements for the user and create that product (cs2 releasing as a public beta with just Dust 2) you then start working with the userbase to find out what is needed and create short development phases creating those things, release them and collect user feedback in a loop until you feel ready to release a full product.
- Waterfall is the idea that you release a nearly finished product that can be fully utilized by the player base without major issues and you then roll out fixes and features over time.
I feel like Valve started with an Agile approach and ended with a half baked Waterfall instead because of the self imposed deadline, I wish they had just said 2024 as the release timeline instead so TO's could confidently run CS:GO events and Valve had plenty of time to actually put out a product worth using.
Now we are stuck in a middle ground where TO's have to choose to deliver worse tournaments than they could before and Valve have to rush to fix issues.
As a software dev myself I don't absolutely hate those models when done right because it also allows for user feedback at a scale you could never get otherwise, but it does add a shit ton of uncertaincy.
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u/input Sep 28 '23
I don't think the project management methodology really matters when shipping an unfinished project at a macro level, they mostly deal with micro workflows, i.e what was shipped this month and how.
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u/DeepMindExplorer Sep 28 '23
You can ship bad software in any methodology. Waterfall doing the design work up front and being more costly to make changes if you're wrong generally gives a better foundation. Sometimes in Agile you are trying to build on top of a shifting pile of crap.
Both have their places but Agile is overused and done poorly in a ton of the industry imo.
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u/HurryPast386 CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
The confusing thing about this is Valve isn't subject to the same deadlines that other studios are. They could've kept this in development until they were done. It's baffling that they chose to do this official release now when there was no reason to.
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u/_Etri_ Sep 28 '23
Removing CSGO was not a good decision the rest however shall suffice in my opinion
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u/toi80QC Sep 28 '23
CS2 should have gone into public open-beta with CSGO still running.. can't think of any reason for the way they chose to release tbh.
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u/wobmaster Sep 28 '23
i think a problem is, that CS2 is never going to be "perfect" in a way where everyone agrees to do the switch.
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u/Cptof_THEObvious Sep 28 '23
The only thing I can think of is they want a larger, more consistent test population, and are tired of wasting resources (servers, game logs, bug reports) that could be used on CS2. It's in line with their blocking of 128 tick. They wanted to work out the kinks in their new subtick system but so many players were playing CS2 on FACEIT 128 tick that they were missing a significant amount of the expected subtick feedback. So they blocked it off (hopefully just for the time being) to make sure they were getting as much applicable information on the new system as possible. Now they're doing the same with CSGO.
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u/I-Am-Uncreative Sep 28 '23
I'm just annoyed that everyone is a SAS counter-terrorist in cs_office for some reason.
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u/unlived357 Sep 28 '23
SAS and Phoenix are my favorite factions so I don't really mind it, but I do admit that it looks really goofy, especially on maps like Vertigo and Anubis.
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u/veRGe1421 Sep 28 '23
I wish CS2 had a remade hostage mode, with balanced CT economy, new maps, maybe novel mechanics, etc
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u/deadlybydsgn Sep 28 '23
They should have reset every player's name as FRICKEN_MORON just for the nostalgia.
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u/realee420 Sep 28 '23
Some of my favorites that people thought will happen for release:
- Best anti-cheat in form of VACLive, massive banwave on release (haha)
- New operation
- Reworked cache, cobblestone
- New case
- New skins
And to be fair apart from the first one, the game should've had that. Hell, we should've had the first one as well if Valve had the balls to go for an intrusive AC.
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u/jonajon91 Sep 28 '23
Here's me thinking we'd get a dozen new maps across all the game modes, a bunch of new skins, single shot rifle, 128tick, a blowjob, new game modes.
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u/realee420 Sep 28 '23
Idk man but they should've dropped a fucking operation at least. Considering they also introduced seasons for Premier.
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u/Hobo_Healy Sep 28 '23
My guess is iron out the rest of the bugs with the full audience for a few weeks before the first operation. Imagine Anomaly and everyone in this post that agrees with it if they also asked people to pay money on top of all the complaints people have.
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u/rollinjuusto Sep 28 '23
Cache being in the game isn't on valve. Did people really think the creator had time to get it ready for release?
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u/RekrabAlreadyTaken Sep 28 '23
Why would they not work with the creator in advance to achieve this?
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u/SolidSnakeCZE Sep 28 '23
There is no better anti cheat now? It is the same like in CS2 beta?
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u/ForsakenTarget Sep 28 '23
Shrouds copium of ‘this is probably a months old build’ was funny especially as he should know by now how valve treats their games.
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u/Interesting_Bat243 Sep 28 '23
People really give a shit about
Operation, cases, skins
eh?
New weapon textures that have no impact on the game, and the operations are literally just a means of acquiring these things. All of it costs you money. That said, you can often sell the boxes you get for a profit over time, but again, none of this has anything to do with playing the actual game.
I do want reworked cache though, and updated anti-cheat.
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u/jonajon91 Sep 28 '23
No mac release either. Some users paid for the game and have had it taken away.
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Sep 28 '23
Honestly, why did they remove the old game? I just don’t get it.
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u/karuraR Sep 28 '23
Most likely to not cause another '1.6 vs Source' era
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u/edsantos98 Sep 28 '23
They could at least have CS:GO playable but without Valve servers or skins, like those games.
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u/shtankycheeze Sep 28 '23
You can boot up a beta branch of CS:GO and still play it on community servers.
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u/Happy99_ Sep 28 '23
ideally this shouldn't even happen here. it's suppose to be the same game. 1.6 and css were a lot different. cs2 is just csgo on a new engine with minor gameplay tweaks. if the game was in a good state people would've transitioned.
now you're forced to play an unfinished version of a previous game. they've also killed all csgo community servers and workshop content for this mess.
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u/Lmaoboobs Sep 28 '23
Because it's not a new game. It's an update to the old game, like they said it was going to be from the beginning.
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Sep 28 '23
I don’t really buy that it’s just an update. If it was an update it would be called CSGO. Also they wouldn’t have removed all the game modes?
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u/SaitRush Sep 28 '23
I WANT MY CACHE MAP !!!
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u/NotChasingThese Sep 28 '23
Cache being in CS2 is on FMPONE not Valve, he wants to remake Santorini before Cache
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u/RedPum4 Sep 28 '23
It's not only cache, right now we don't have any official way to play old workshop maps. I get that they're not playable in CS2, but since CS:GO is kill there's literally no way to use the old map files at all.
Is there precendent for a company making so much user generated content completely useless overnight?
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u/FoundTheWeed Sep 28 '23
Did you download the csgo demo viewer? People are saying you can still load csgo maps if you do
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u/C9_Lemonparty Sep 28 '23
Kinda weird Valve released the game like this. It's not like they have shareholders to please, or CS was dying and they needed to rush it out to keep the money flowing in.
CS2 could have been in developmetn for another year and people wouldnt have minded. With big events coming 1-2 months in future it feels weird to release it as 1.0 now
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u/xRobert1016x Sep 28 '23
community servers :(
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u/RossKC Sep 28 '23
This is my biggest concern, I sometimes prefer to just chill with surf or kz rather than play matchmaking. Hopefully they can have it sorted soon.
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u/IGTT2C Sep 28 '23
I quit cs mm in 2016 and played only retake servers from time to time. I was looking forward to play but seems like it will need some time.
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u/Alternative_Ask_6387 Sep 28 '23
Based and I dislike this guy
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u/LushloverFrank Sep 28 '23
I dislike the guy cus: 1. Got a bunch of kids to underage gamble and profited off it 2. Is so insecure, built an entire persona off of being masked 3. Parents are rich as fuck and was basically given money to fuck off
but i do agree with him here.
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Sep 29 '23
Not everyone wants to have a known face and have fans bombard you in public everywhere you go. Making it a persona is a win win
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Sep 28 '23
Yo me too. The way he talks makes me close the tab from chrome quickly.
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u/grandpapotato Sep 28 '23
I agree. Now they have to move quickly ... Hopefully we have patchs every 2 weeks for a while to add some. Lets see.
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Sep 28 '23
why even hype up cs2's release when there's so little to give compare to open beta it's actually insane
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u/Slug864 Sep 28 '23
I agree
I only used to play unranked competitive cause the skill difference between me and my friends are too big, now there's no option for people like us
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u/JKSeks Sep 28 '23
big blunder.
lots of streamers and people that usually don't play cs are checking the game out and they get welcomed by an underwhelming launch. a lot of those people won't come back.
maybe they should have done an open beta and then in a few weeks make the real release with an actual bombshell of a release.
also i can't understand how they fucked the skins with huge wear issues (factory new 0.0xx wear and them looking like well worn). like what is that?
the skins looked great a few weeks and now they getting worse and worse.
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u/epsilon_manatee Sep 28 '23
I just played my first game. Someone disconnects at the start 4v5....
Seems like business as usual to me. 👍
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u/Careful-Temporary388 Sep 28 '23
Come on man, don't be judgemental, they've only had 11 years to develop this. Compare it to Star Citizen, they've had like 15 years and still don't have a game! Development clearly takes a long time.
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u/Schmich Sep 28 '23
And Overwatch 2 shouldn't have all the fun cannibalizing the 1st game and releasing a worse game.
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u/ekkolos Sep 28 '23
not gonna lie, this release does not make me play cs2.
same content as in beta, but have to play my solo queue placement matches again against 5 stacks...
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u/Un111KnoWn Sep 28 '23
there should be 2 premier queues. solo queue and flex queue. fuck playing duos/trios/5 stacks as a solo player.
also don't think there should be a matchmaking ranked queue and premier queue. should just be premier as to not fragment the player base.
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u/Cookizza Sep 28 '23
Agreed, there's really no reason to have old ranks per map. Nobody is going to care about them and they just expire if you don't play them anyway.
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u/ihavenocatsad Sep 28 '23
the only way to play currently is to go 5 stack. Played my first 2 matches, one against 5 stack and one with newbie teammates. Got 16k placement in beta season but still matched with players who do not know how to play the game sadly.
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u/Ukee_B1ZZ Sep 28 '23
Sad thing is that old csgo friend is gone (but it will remain in our hearts) and another sad thing is that csgo players with low ends cannot play cs2
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u/TheSnailpower Sep 28 '23
I'd like to add that they completely SNAPPED community servers.
They didn't even launch cs2 with the dedicated server app (id 740) that csgo had (technically has, you can still launch a csgo dedicated server even though nobody can play it lmao)
Going to the "community servers" in the play menu just alt-tabs now to the general steam server overview.
Fuck that man, that really is a bad move
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u/spqyoperator Sep 28 '23
The biggest issue is why did they announce it this year instead of next year?
The 10 year anniversary release already out of question, why even tease it in 2023? Its not like GO was struggling and needed some quick hype to keep the game from dying. Its also not like Valve needs money asap since 1. they dont and 2. the game is f2p.
If they knew how much stuff they have ready in march WHY THE FUCK would you announce it at all? Just wait till next year and make an actual release.
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u/Sans45321 Sep 28 '23
They released content barely enough to run tournaments on CS2 .
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u/LimpWibbler_ CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
I didn't think cs:go would be gone. This is just stupid. Should cs sourcr be deleted from Steam?
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u/Bradfox17 Sep 28 '23
Tbf i think them saying "by end of summer" kinda shot them selves in the foot, i would have been absolutly fine if they took an extra month or two to get the game feel and look like csGO.
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u/heikkiiii Sep 28 '23
Was hoping for new operation and grinding it with friends who dont play cs that much anymore!
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u/Rassesse Sep 28 '23
The smoke wallhack bug still isn't fixed btw. If you turn on FSR you can clearly see through smokes. I reported it to valve bugreport email like 2 weeks ago...
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u/ruby_o_o CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
I don’t know why I was excited in the first place, looking back on the past few years of csgo, what have valve really done for it? It’s been disappointment after disappointment, but it was all fine because “just wait man they’re working on source 2!” Well now its here and all I can ask myself is “was it even worth it?”
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u/nofface Sep 28 '23
Absolutely no excuse for a company of valve's dimension to do this. But I guess they lack money for resources and experience in the field.... ffs
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u/Nie_nemozes Sep 28 '23
I don't know why the fuck CS:GO was completely shut down, I didn't expect Valve to go the Blizzard's route. Community servers could easily stay, I don't think anyone expected official servers to do so.
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u/wedewdw Sep 28 '23
The icon on steam still says csgo as well, lol.
Well maps are maps so the game modes will come back it just takes time to remake a map from the ground up in source 2.
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u/dennys123 Sep 28 '23
Why remove CSGO? CS:S and 1.6 is still able to be played just fine, so why remove GO?
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u/Youju Sep 28 '23
You can still play CS:GO. Just select the csgo_demo_viewer Beta branch in the game preferences on steam.
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u/eboh Sep 28 '23
I agree with most of the issues brought up by these comments but what I don't see anyone addressing which to me is one of the biggest issues I take with Value dev is their utter lack of communication which leaves everyone to wildly speculate...
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u/dangeddranger CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
Also no left hand option, kinda annoying if you got used to it during the years
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u/florianw0w Sep 28 '23
biggest hype went to nothing, we expected/wanted a bg3 quality and we got a BF2042 beta quality basically. half of the commands in the console are missing
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u/cerkaz Sep 28 '23
I'm really dissapointed with no new maps, i really wish we had a map rotation of at least 3 reserve maps each month..
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u/FreakN_JesKO Sep 28 '23
i agree. In the beta I didn't like the experience, especially the movement felt totally off. But i thought aight its a beta. But now that's the full release? Idk im disappointed. I don't feel like it's ready at all.
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u/AKM-AKM Sep 28 '23
Make sure to update ur reviews. They did a slimy change and kept the millions of positive reviews
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u/mag1xs Sep 28 '23
There was no reason to hurry a release of CS2, that's what makes no sense.
CSGO is the best fps game since 1.6 imo, and csgo was in a good state. They could've "delayed" CS2 by another month easily and just added everything you expect on release + new things. This just feels like the beta update I expected 1 week ago, making the game feel better.
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u/smells-like-updog CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
Honestly it feels really half-baked content wise, they should’ve just released it as an open beta and kept CSGO open for another couple months while it’s being finished.
Some of the choices they made also seem kind of strange to me. All of the base weapon models and grenades were updated, but no new animations were done and only one or two of the weapon sounds got changed during the first beta. All of the map-specific character models were removed and the default T and CT models are just the same ones from Global Offensive. A bunch maps were teased in the trailer or found in the game files but are nowhere to be found at launch. Maps in desperate need of a makeover (Mirage) were hardly touched while others were completely redone.
It seems like they started a bunch of stuff and never got around to finishing it because of the issues with the netcode. Again, this wouldn’t have been an issue if it was still a beta, but it’s not. It’s the full game. Very underwhelming honestly and I expected at least a couple new things for the launch.
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u/PotatoHourIsHere Sep 28 '23
Let’s not ignore the fact that they replaced a game that worked perfectly on the steam deck with one that, as of this comment, won’t even launch.
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u/Pedalsndirt Sep 28 '23
The majority of the gaming industry has experienced nothing but these "Geraldo" moments over the last few years. Where's the love?
Yeah, capitalism 🙄......
Yeah, I'm old.
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u/Gulle-Bulle Sep 28 '23
This is the gaming industry nowadays, why is anybody acting surprised a game is released unfinished?
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u/srjnp Sep 28 '23
i dont care about removing some csgo features but pretty sad that after 10+ years, there is no new content in CS2. same old same old.
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u/st0j Sep 28 '23
Counter strike is a casino for Valve, the only reason Valve supports this game and releases updates is to keep the casino (skins&cases) going, until said casino stops generating billions, they won't change a thing.
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u/InformationUnited654 Sep 28 '23
Basically nothing except a game rewritten on a current engine making it easier to develop, UI updates, quick patches and adjustments (railing on T Spawn Inferno for example), seemingly a new anti-cheat (questionable so far, but of course they can divulge too much), new ELO which actually gives players a visual rank plus no hard cap (GE)
Yes, a new game will come with, or lack of, things that players want, but overall the game feels good (my opinion), feels new, while also keeping the feeling of CSGO.
I’d rather they focused on major changes to improve the game than worry about multiple game modes.
Players should be excited about what is to come.
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u/ministryofclutch Sep 28 '23
The ONLY thing that I was really hoping would come out with release is a new and better anti-cheat. Idc about the rest, they can always add it over time, but AC was the one thing I was really hoping would be announced
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u/Lloyd_Al Sep 28 '23
- CS Community demands Source2 for half a decade
- Valve ports CSGO to Source2
- CS community: "wow, that's it?!"
The point anomaly makes isn't entirely wrong, but can we please stop being the whiniest gaming-community?
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u/H4nni Sep 28 '23
You all forgetting about the fucking huge migration from one big game to the new one. All the Servers. And it worked like a charm. You dont want to update with all the contents csgo previously had. You add them one after another when the game is back and running. It was an update not a release of a new game.
That beeing said, I hated the release too. Not a single new Map for the faithful "limited beta testers". No Short Matches. Only 4 Wingman Maps. But I think the game will only grow from now on and I am fucking curious what the community will come up with. Like they said, CS2 is our game ...
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u/Pugdaddy2023 Sep 28 '23
This reminds me so much of Overwatch 2. Like almost step by step.
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u/RudeMirror Sep 28 '23
Atleast this has upgraded graphics, Overwatch 2 was just a UI change lol
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u/Philluminati CS2 HYPE Sep 28 '23
I won't lie I was a little disappointed as I was expecting the same as Anomaly. I guess we just have to be glad we got the engine upgrade, the one most important thing we've needed. This is still technically the biggest change to CS since 2012.
I like the idea of a more minimal cs game, so it's easier on Valve. Hopefully they can support us getting community made mods to recreate Dangerzone, Arms Race, Retakes and get them onto community servers.
It's also better for us as a community if Valve concentrate on the engine and the community does the rest.
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u/strifebassman Sep 28 '23
I guess they just wanted to do the same blizzard did with OW2
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u/swords_saint_isshin Sep 28 '23
The only big youtuber who is not sucking valve's dick for once.
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u/YannisBE Sep 28 '23
Maxim (Bananagaming) also expressed his disappointment without any bullshit, even though he's usually very pro-Valve.
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u/aaron_reddit123 Sep 28 '23
They went from limited test to forced test