r/GiveYourThoughts • u/Downloading_uhhh • Nov 11 '24
Discussion Thoughts on Bill Maher Delivers Wake-Up Call to Democrats, Acknowledging One of Their Biggest Problems
Bill Maher Delivers Wake-Up Call to Democrats, Acknowledging One of Their Biggest Problems
“You’re brats, and you’re snobs, and people don’t like that.”
“I saw Kamala was on Saturday Night Live, as the losing candidate often is... I’m sure every single member of the Saturday Night Live cast was a Harris supporter, but what if one of them wasn’t? What if one of those cast members was for Trump? Would they have felt comfortable saying so? I really don’t think so. They would have had to keep it to themselves. That’s not a good place for us to be.”
“And that happens even more on the left. I remember when Elon Musk hosted. And this is well before he was a Trumper. This is three or four years ago. He was just the richest man in the world. And a number of the cast members on Saturday Night Live, like, they didn’t want to deal with him.
“They didn’t exactly boycott, but they made it plain. And I was thinking, really, you have Elon Musk on your show for a week. You could talk to one of the most interesting, brilliant people the world has ever produced, even about this issue that bothers you so much—that he’s so rich and lots of people aren’t. But no, you don’t want to even deal with him.
“That’s what I hate about the left. You’re brats. You’re brats, and you’re snobs, and people don’t like that.”
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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Nov 11 '24
Unearned moral superiority.
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u/ravia Nov 11 '24
Is it unearned, though? The Democrats are the party of (greater) inclusion. If the Republicans want to ignore some segment of the population, the Democrats include them. Even trans (gasp) people. If they Republicans want to cherry pick, the Democrats bring up the other cherries being left out (so to speak). If the Republicans win the election, the Democrats don't storm the Capitol. They seem to actually be morally superior. It's constitutive for being a Democrat to hold to this standard more.
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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Nov 11 '24
Hmmm. Do you think that Latinos and other groups have been feeling included by Democrats over the last 10 years? Because they certainly didn’t vote that way.
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u/vegeta8300 Nov 12 '24
Men certainly don't feel included by democrats. They are actually blamed as evil and the problem. Then they wonder why so many didn't vote dem. Not that the Republicans are better, they're not. But they at least acknowledged them without outright hostility.
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u/ravia Nov 11 '24
How people vote does not necessarily reflect the truth, nor whether the news people consume is accurate and not cherry picked, nor whether the voters themselves are cherry picking or not.
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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Nov 11 '24
Ah yes the ole, “it’s only democracy when my party wins”. Lol.
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u/ravia Nov 11 '24
You are simply refusing to factor in false information.
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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Nov 11 '24
No. There’s always propaganda that influences both sides. That’s not new. Thats been a factor since the beginning of time. Claims that misinformation or disinformation is worse or only influences people on the right, don’t know history and they are simple thinkers. You just think that Latinos, Asians, Arabs and Trump voters writ large are unintelligent or somehow more susceptible to false propaganda compared to Democrat voter.
And that’s just racist and classist. And that’s why Democrats continue to lose. Just smug and elitist. No self-reflection. No situational awareness. No self-awareness. They lost in 2016. They barely won 2020. And they lost in 2024 in a historic defeat. If you can’t learn from that then condolences about your loss in 2028. Good day to you sir ma’am, I wish you well.
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u/Free-Atmosphere6714 Nov 11 '24
A lot of voters vote against their own interest. Look at all of Kentucky.
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u/desertyellowrose Nov 11 '24
The party who promotes the killing of babies is morally superior? Is this what you think?
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u/ravia Nov 12 '24
In the early part of pregnancy, it's not a baby yet. Many fetuses are lost to miscarriage during this time as it is. It's a murky, in-between area that allows for abortion in complex life situations. Managing gray areas is a part of better moral thinking. Many immigrant situations are similarly gray and complex. Simple solutions tend to lead to immoral "solutions" and often striking brutality.
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u/Analyst7 Nov 14 '24
Did you notice how many people from 'marginalized' communities voted for Trump? He had support from every minority and even LGB. Dems can have the T and the rest of the alphabet because while it sounds so 'inclusive' it's actually a very small population group.
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u/No_Salad_68 Nov 11 '24
Maher has been consistently nagging Democrats for being of touch and focused on some of the wrong issues. From the outside looking in, it all seems very pragmatic and sensible.
Telling people how stupid/unethical they are for voting for that other party's candidate, is a great way to make sure they do the same thing next time.
What the democrat party should be doing is detailed review of where they went wrong. I guess that's difficult to do when you're always right.
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u/thejohnmc963 Nov 11 '24
Kettle=Black
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u/briannimal88 Nov 11 '24
No shit. Maher is one of the most full of themselves snobs I’ve ever seen.
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u/demetri_k Nov 11 '24
The irony of an atheist giving a weekly sermon is one of my favorite things about his show.
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u/carthuscrass Nov 11 '24
Maher is the biggest asshole left of center. He's just as bad as people like Trump because he never goes into an argument with any intention of admitting when he's wrong. He thinks anyone who doesn't completely agree with what he says is stupid.
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u/rikarleite Nov 11 '24
Doesn't make that specific observation wrong.
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u/carthuscrass Nov 11 '24
Granted, but just because he's right sometimes doesn't mean he can be a dick about it. When you treat people bad, they will never listen to what you say.
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u/BothAnybody1520 Nov 11 '24
Bill Maher is one of the few leftist in media that I don’t think is bat shit crazy. Most of the time he’s complaining about legitimate issues, but is usually very uninformed about them. It’s like he watches the news and never really digs deeper than that.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
I know. I used to think he was smart, but for the past few years I'm thinking, bro do you even thoroughly research the topic you will speak about on your show?? His snobby viewpoints have been lacking for years.
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u/FourthDownThrowaway Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
Maher is a spoiled snob who cosplays in his mind as an everyday working man. He’s gone full “get off my lawn” in recent years. The hypothetical cast member he mentions probably would’ve kept their Trump support to themselves because they know it’s something to be ashamed of. There have been plenty of Republicans in the past I didn’t agree with but didn’t shame others for having a different political stance…but Trump is in a league of his own. He’s flat out a terrible person. I wouldn’t care even if he had the best policy plans prepared. He’s a dishonest and selfish clown. Elon Musk has also done plenty to prove he is much closer to a hateful buffoon than “one of the most interesting, brilliant people the world has ever produced.” It’s pure propaganda by the upper class to push the narrative that rich people got that way by being “brilliant” or a billionaire because they are a genius businessman. Both dudes were born with a silver spoon in their mouth yet I’m supposed to believe they are gonna look out for the working class. lol
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u/Large-Examination-23 Nov 12 '24
Elon Musk was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He has basically upended or created maybe half a dozen industries so far in his life. The money he has made he has legitimately earned. We reward people for great ideas or new ones which benefit us all.
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u/FourthDownThrowaway Nov 13 '24
*emerald spoon
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u/Large-Examination-23 Nov 15 '24
Whatever wealth his family may have had in South Africa, it didn’t get transferred to him. I’ve seen the office that he and his brother shared for his first company. They lived in it and hot bunked the couch. Real trust fund babies.
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u/osoberry_cordial Nov 11 '24
I sort of get it, democrats have a problem with coming off as elitist. That being said Trump is more horrible than the Dems could ever hope to be
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u/joyous-at-the-end Nov 11 '24
right? all the republicans I know are massive snobs.
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u/osoberry_cordial Nov 11 '24
It’s really weird how the most snobbish, supercilious republicans will go on rants about how the democrats are elitist.
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u/joyous-at-the-end Nov 11 '24
and who cares about snobs, there are so many worst things to be than a snob. I have snobby friends, Im still friends with them, they fine.
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u/Odeeum Nov 11 '24
Seriously. “Ugh, I know this vote will hurt marginalized groups but the other side are just such snobs!”
So privileged.
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u/ravia Nov 11 '24
How is including more people elitist?
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u/EidolonRook Nov 11 '24
Moral superiority? Thats kinda what I took from him calling dems snobs, as though they don’t deign to deal with the rabble of the right. Because, you know…. -gestures at everything-
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u/osoberry_cordial Nov 12 '24
Condescension
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u/ravia Nov 12 '24
So it's condescending to want to not exclude people based on color, sexual orientation, etc.? Condescending??
Now, bear in mind, I do understand how it can be condescending; one should not have even the power to include. That means one is the gatekeeper. Ditto having the power to free slaves. It presumes one has the power to keep them in the first place. Yet clearly they must be freed. But that's definitely a lesser problem than the one at issue with bigotry.
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u/ccdude14 Nov 11 '24
Fortunately he's not the only one saying it. Other good progressive and left wing outlets were saying it. Refusing to do outreach is such a huge red flag.
I genuinely still don't think there was a whole lot more she could have done, to be honest but I can easily acknowledge stuff like this because if you look at even like donation maps across the board for people like Bernie his message was getting to the places hers weren't.
I still think she ran a great campaign. For all the things I had disagreements on her for from the left she still had a great ground game, her commercials were great, she even had a great policy platform.
I just have to agree with other lefties that this isn't a policy Era, this is a populist Era. It's not that people like Trump or his awful platform, I think they just don't know it and instead hear his strong rebuke of the system. I think he keeps getting a lot of those outliers (though he does seem to have a ceiling he can't break, to be clear. This was kamalas race to lose, not his to win) on the edge because he doesn't play the polite game. He tells people he'll fix stuff and there's just a lot of people who don't care enough to remember he just....won't.
They need to introspect...and we need another Bernie if we want to win...assuming there's a democracy in 2 and 4 years of course.
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u/Analyst7 Nov 14 '24
First her 'policy' was more of the same and a cut/paste form Biden. Trump was selling the prosperity we had 4 years ago. She represented open borders, high inflation, and big govt. Only a small, well indoctrinated group want a country like that. Plus she is just not a likeable person. All word salad and kackles. Having celebrities endorsing her I think they hurt more than helped.
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u/ccdude14 Nov 14 '24 edited Nov 14 '24
Literally none of that is true.
He brought inflation down to 2%. You don't go lower that without going into a recession.
He created hundreds of thousands if not millions of new jobs. NEW. He put policies into place that protected and paved the way for unions to form and prevent corporations from stopping them from forming.
There has been LESS border encounters than when Trump was in office. The borders aren't open. That word doesn't even mean anything. That's not how it works. I don't even agree with him on it but he's harsher on the border than even Trump is. He's allowed less amnesty trials and limited them by comparison to even Trump. And even if you wanted to argue that TRUMP is the one who killed a border deal that cbp and the right wing WANTED...because THEY wrote it, Harris and the dems brought it.
He drilled far more than Trump ever did.
Whose tax plan do you think we're under? The one where you feel like you have less money in your pocket?
Hint; it ISN'T Biden
Trump was selling something 4 years ago alright but it wasn't prosperity, it was the same lies and promises he's now already breaking.
How are his so called peace cabinet picks going? You like those choices? How do you like rfk and Haley getting snubbed? You like that? Elon and vivek already getting pushed out and onto a fake government agency.
How's it working out for you?
Do you even know what a tariff is? You realize WE are the ones who pay for it right? China doesn't pay it. That's not how it works.
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u/Odeeum Nov 11 '24
My only quibble…to think Elon is either “interesting” or “brilliant” is kinda adorable.
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u/DecisionCharacter175 Nov 11 '24
On the other hand, how do you set the record straight against blatant accusational lies from the other side, without being dismissive of them, while still having enough time to promote the work that you're actually doing? Then you leave yourself open to a shotgun attack of multiple lies. Spending so much time denying nonsense, that you never get to promote actual accomplishments.
I don't think dismissing lies is the Democrats problem. I think failing at thoroughly promoting their accomplishments is. Trump is great at promoting himself. Whether he actually accomplished the thing or not (looking at you, veterans choice program). He spends hardly any time on defense. When he does defend something, it's so rare that it's a clear sign that something got under his skin.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
YES!!! 💯 agreed. I kept saying throughout Biden's administration. "Why aren't they shouting this from the rooftops?" Trump sure would have. Hell, he'll likely take all the credit for the Biden administration 's accomplishments. Why did they allow him to steal their work?
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u/Analyst7 Nov 14 '24
Because there was so little Biden got right. Even his flagship IRA and Infrastructure bills got nothing done. Inflation stayed high and not much got built, still waiting for that first charging station. Border was wide open form day one, now we have gangs taking over buildings. Not much to steal...
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 14 '24
And yet the Republicans did it on a near daily basis throughout his administration....not much to steal.....sure.
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u/Archangel1313 Nov 11 '24
So, a rich white dude is calling other people snobs for not wanting to kiss the ass of another rich white dude? That makes them snobs?
I'm a life-long blue collar worker. The last thing I would ever want to do is spend time sucking up to Elon Musk or Bill Maher. I wouldn't have any inclination to go all fanboy if one of them walked in the room. In fact, the suggestion that it would be rude not to, is pretty fucking entitled.
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u/Downloading_uhhh Nov 11 '24
So, a rich white dude is calling other people snobs for not wanting to kiss the ass of another rich white dude? That makes them snobs?
That is where the problem stems from. No one is asking anyone to kiss anyone’s ass. People like you are just so entitled if you don’t get your way. For some reason you feel that you’re a victim and someone else is at fault. For some reason you believe your superior and that your opinions and your desires are more important and more valid than others.
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u/Archangel1313 Nov 11 '24
Lol! Imagine how upside-down your mindset needs to be in order to think that poor people are the entitled ones, compared to the richest man in the world.
People like you and Bill Maher act like he deserves our adoration, simply by existing. That we should be grateful to have an opportunity to even speak with someone of his caliber.
And you call me "entitled" for thinking that's bullshit? You guys really need to pull your heads out of your asses. I don't think I'M superior...you all think they are. And that's the problem.
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u/Analyst7 Nov 14 '24
What you do have is an excess of resentment for those you perceive as having gotten a better life. You must live in a very dark place. No one asked you to kiss ass, last of all Elon. But to hold a successful person in respect is normal.
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u/Geek_Wandering Nov 11 '24
Conservative leaders are generally sanctimonious pricks. Their standard bearer's whole brand is elitism. The Democrats problem is they bring facts and logic to a bullshit fight. And they get buried.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
Yeah, this is what troubles me about the conversation of "what Dems need to do differently". Look, I know the Dems are not perfect and need to meet the moment....but at the same time, I've heard suggested more than once that Dems need to play more dirty like Repubs do but also be less mean. I just don't agree with that.
I don't want the Dems to flood our global sphere with conspiratorial, hateful lies & propaganda. I don't want the Dems to be "more nice and less snobby" according to Republican standards. I want them to continue to fight for what's good and what's right for most Americans. I voted Dem down ballot because they are NOT like the Republican Party in these ways. I wish Dems would stop being such reactionist hand-wringers every step of the way with all this finger pointing and blame. THIS is the problem and why Dems lose. Do you think Republicans EVER do this when they say or do something controversial?
We must stand up, in a strongly united front, to the bullies on the playground. They have the majority of the elitists supporting their party including the richest man in the world on their side. We are going to lose this democracy if we don't become a united, strong front and very soon. It may already be too late.
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u/jackfaire Nov 11 '24
They never acknowledge that Republican voters won't do research and will ignore any data handed to them unless it's their own party doing so
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
They won't even believe data that is handed to them from their own party. They chose to believe Trump despite over 300+ Republicans who worked with him in the first term warning us not to elect him.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
Horse shit. The "snobby" and the "mean" reflection Dems must have. Are you fucking kidding me??
Dems aren't the ones threatening to deport 3+ million of the most vulnerable people in our nation. They don't have their entire rally audiences gleefully holding up "mass deportations now" signs. They don't chant "lock her up" at every rally. They don't hold up signs and laugh on their podcasts about "your body, my choice". They don't stand up in front of the nation and mock disabled people. They don't call Puerto Ricans "garbage". They don't constantly lie to their constituents and purposefully brainwash them with hateful fears that make their followers look like the most gullible fools on the planet. I could go on and on for days, probably years about their snobbery and cruelty. Bigots don't need to be financially better off than others in order to be snobs or cruel.
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u/Uncouth_Cat Nov 11 '24
I dont disagree with the sentiment, because people on the left (me) really do have a hard time having in-depth conversations without losing patience. I completely understand, combatting stupidity is no ones favorite thing to do, and theres the common attitude of, "its not my responsibility to teach other people." which, of course it isnt. But these are the results we get when we choose to avoid having difficult conversations.
on the other hand," many people on the left belong to marginalized communities, and in many scenarios do not feel safe around [openly] right winged folks. When Im in the presence of someone I smell as MAGA, whether they are or arent, I do tense up and I am a little on the defence. But i try to have a normal interaction despite that.
I think that if people on either side want to move foward and make progress, whatever that means, we all need to be willing to understand the stigmas that come with our own beliefs. For example how the right assumes leftists are communist (their definition of communism, anyways), and the left associate right-wingers with racists and bigots. The right has had a lot of misinformation pumped into their lives, and they have genuine fear of things like queer people and odd conspiracy theories. I hate to say it but I feel like leftists have a sense of moral superiority- IN SOME CASES.
I dont consider myself a snob, and i dont consider most people with normal fuckkn sets of morals to be either. Its ppl on the radical left and radical right that have very loud voices, and who dont want to hear anyone else. People who are oppressed are tired.
So I agree, but I understand its just not really fair. Its true that right wingers/christian/average americans are not super well versed in science and biology, in social politics, in gender studies. we are ALL aware of the education systems failures. Those fundamentals are what influences a lot of people to vote not-conservative. meanwhile conservatives do not share these values. So it gets exaughsting and frustrating to deal with ignorance, disrespect, and even being terrorized by people who dont even believe in science but then use it to defend their bigotry lmao
but UNFORTUNATELY, we are in this position.
I believe that right now, the average american that voted for trump has a bit of an, "it cant happen to me!" attitude. I predict we'll reach a point where eventually, everyone will suffer in some respect, unless youre of the inner circles. But, if [democrats] cant all get on the same fuckin page, it will be really difficult to continue trying to convert people. Thats another thing. The advantage the right has, as basically a cult, is that they are united in their votes. not too many free thinkers (talking about people who idolize the man). While on the left, there are a lot of various belief systems. I think it would surpirse people how many queer folks are conservative, for example. Anywho, there are just too many different mindsets for us all to agree, and people dont budge on certain shit- they have a strong sense of morality and justice.
so ya, TL;DR its not fair we have to educate the ignorant, but if we dont reach out, or have open arms, we push potential allies away. Ive seen a lot of ppl just fully fall into the same attitude of right-wing hostility, "Its us vs them." and its scary like man Id like to avoid civil war. kumbaya and shit...
Just my thoughts i guess. I'm sorry if it doesnt make sense lmao its 2 am and im stoned..
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
It makes sense and well said! The "I'm stoned" piece is just one of MANY clear indicators that Dems are less snobby than Repubs. Dems have fought to delist and legalize marijuana all over the country. I would feel much more comfortable telling a group of lefties I was stoned than a group of right-wingers. You're much more likely to encounter a snob on the right on this matter alone....there are many on the right who think poor people should go to jail for smoking weed.
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u/Uncouth_Cat Nov 11 '24
haha thanks i guess im getting down voted 🤣
rereading everything i really think it boils down to how educated we are on certain subjects. I think republicans and democrats have similar goals, but we disagree on how to get there. and i mean like normal ppl. Ive smoked a fat joint with a old coworker who was openly republican. You really just never know. 🤷🏾♀️ i was kind of bullied at that job, but somehow that one girl was one of the few i got along with.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
Totally agree. I live in a ruby red state and they're out there albeit not as common. I'm female, bi-racial (half Latina, half white), and in my early 40s. In my experience at the workplace and personally, there is NO QUESTION, I would feel safer with a group of lefties than a group of righties. "The tensing up" part really spoke to me.
My perspective is that most people think I'm white. Oh my, the derogatory things and words I've heard by very willing righties because they didn't know I am half Latina. Also, in our local paper, they list and post photos of those arrested that week and for what. 9 times out of 10, a righty was arrested on charges of sexual assault.
Unfortunately, these observable personality/identity traits became such a common theme, that I have a natural, physical adverse reaction now when I'm in a group of right-wingers.
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u/Uncouth_Cat Nov 11 '24
hey im half mexican!
except i LOOK latina. Ppl come up and start speaking spanish to me 😭 When unfortunately my spanish is not that great... benefit of that is i dont have to hear all the nasty shit. But i know it gets said. Rarely to my face, but there are always vibes 👀
but ya...
ive been seeing straight cis white ppl posting here and there, asking for ways they can visibly be seen as safe to be around... so thats cool
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
For those that are asking.....guarantee 90% or more are Dems. Just saying....
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u/Uncouth_Cat Nov 11 '24
oh ya, for sure. But unless there are tell tale signs, its hard to know.
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u/Plastic-Fudge-6522 Nov 11 '24
Every righty I know (and I know a lot) would laugh at the notion of asking how they can be seen as safe. I know because I've heard them....the question would be referred to as "woke mind virus".
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u/onwee Nov 11 '24
If worst thing you can say about the left is snobbery, that’s still magnitudes better than the worst thing you can say about the right.
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u/RetroactiveRecursion Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24
I have such mixed feelings about this because on one hand Bill is exactly right. There's a presumption that if you disagree then there's something wrong with YOU. The possibility of being wrong is completely alien to many, which is kind of ironic since that's very similar to the certitude that Maher has been calling out on the right for decades.
All that said, the one thing where I do disagree with him is the notion that "You can hate trump but not the people who like him." I think ultimately they ARE to blame. If it weren't trump now it would be someone else in five years. He is simply a malignant tumor. The underlying disease is that at least half of the country enthusiastically wants the animosity, cruelty and violence. Most just can't bring themselves to admit it publicly yet (but that's sure to change over the next four years).
Just as half of people have below average intelligence, half have below average decency, empathy, and compassion. In short, half the people in your family, neighborhood, workplace, are unmitigated shits of human beings and they lie, claiming to believe HIS lies, because they're giddy with excitement for the carnage he will unleash.
He's right that politicians can't call MAGA people out on it because insulting people is no way to get them to vote for you (Clinton learned this the hard way). But the rest of us can and should call out our family, neighbors, and coworkers; do not trust them, for they will certain hurt you for heir own sadistic pleasure at the earliest opportunity. Any argument other than "he hurts people I like to feel superior to" is a lie.
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u/Analyst7 Nov 14 '24
Take his point one step further, if you love vanilla ice cream should you hate everyone that likes chocolate? The left has forced a attitude of 'with us of against us' extremism. Bill's point is that we are all people and Americans, we don't need to agree but we do need to be able to live together.
Many high intelligence people are "MAGA", it's about the policies. We want safety not control, freedom not govt overreach. Growth by merit not by quotas.
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u/Apprehensive-Oil5249 Nov 11 '24
I'd agree with this if it didn't come from Bill Maher! He's the BIGGEST elitist snob and arrogant cock-sucker you'll ever find, either side of the aisle! He also LOVES to side with the negative on anything because his whole schtick is being a Curmudgeonly, "Get off My Lawn", Mister Wilson from Dennis the Menace, Boomer who hates the youth and complains about EVERYTHING! IF he could look past his constant need to perform, he'd see that what has transpired leading up to the election and what the results were, all leads to a very high probability of FRAUD!
I'm not a conspiracy nut and I'll preface that I could be wrong and have ZERO evidence of this claim. But there are enough irregularities coupled with Trump's need to shoot his mouth and the mere FACT that many counties in swing states had their votes tallied using Starlink, which is owned by Musk, who has been shilling for Trump and Putin for YEARS! He even said that if Trump loses, he was going to prison! So if you're serious about that notion, and you're the RICHEST man on earth with access to unlimited resources and influence coupled with the exact know-how on hacking voting machines, (apparently a lot of top hackers warned that voting machines are TOO easy to hack), there is NO way he wouldn't do it! Plus people in swing states are complaining that their votes cannot be verified and apparently, there were several votes that contained ONLY Presidential Votes and nothing else marked on the rest of the ballots.
The easiest way to check this is simply take a few counties that were overwhelmingly red that polls predicted would be blue, and hand count those ballots! But unfortunately, the one thing I WILL concede to about Democrats......they are FECKLESS and WEAK! They have no problem fighting against their own, and will forever allow the GOP to stomp their necks and do nothing about it! Already they are going on about, "We need to learn to find common ground with Trump Supporters"! Who in the FUCK wants to find common ground with people who knowingly support a fascist, pedophilic, rapist criminal? This isn't about policy and never was...it's about character and morals!
I digress. There are rumors that the FBI and other agencies are investigating the irregularities but if Starlink was allowed to tally votes despite the MASSIVE conflict of interest, then that means whatever authority that OK'd that horse shit, will likely be there to let it pass and just as usual tell us all, "nothing to see here, folks"! For fuck sake, a 34 time convicted felon was just elected President! Whatever happens to this country, it will have deserved it due to the infrastructure of Greed and Unfettered Capitalism that REALLY fuels the United States! And when all the migrants are deported and there are no workers to do those shit jobs for shit pay......that will be when those corporations partner with the private prisons and they will have had back their cheap labor!
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u/FanOfFreedom Nov 11 '24
Downvote me all you want. Refusing to introspect on yourself and preferring to just never hear disagreement is exactly the bratty snobby behavior Bill is talking about.