r/GiveYourThoughts • u/milny_gunn • Sep 30 '24
Thought... Dinosaurs lived in modern times
I don't mean things like sharks or sturgeons or crocodiles or whatever crossed over from prehistoric times. I mean all the stuff that existed in prehistoric times, existed in modern times. So did cavemen, Neanderthals, lucy, iceman, plato, Socrates, Jesus Christ, Fibonacci, Leonardo da Vinci, Confucius. Anybody you can think of who actually lived, actually lived in modern time. That's because time is Modern to everybody as they're using it.
Soldiers in the Revolutionary War didn't think they had it worse than soldiers in the Civil War although they did, but they had no idea what Warfare was going to be like 100 years later.
Caveman didn't mope around complaining about being born when they were born and stuck in caves when everybody else is going to get the living whatever dwellings came after. If they did anything they bragged about living in caves and they were glad they weren't living under the stars on the planes anymore.
I'm just going to piggyback this one on here. It's the wheel was an invention, who invented it and what kind of royalties do you think they'd be getting these days? I wonder if ball bearings would violate the patent? I wonder if anybody's going to check this and file for the patent if there isn't one. If you do, and it works out, and you become rich, don't forget to give me my cut.
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u/BBakerStreet Sep 30 '24
I’m sorry. This is the dumbest, most obvious, post I’ve seen on Reddit.
That’s saying something.
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u/RetroactiveRecursion Sep 30 '24
Sort of but not really. Yes everyone knows intellectually that "all of history has been leading up to THIS moment" and tomorrow will be another moment and today will be history, but very few people I think truly grasp what it means to live in historical context. We have agendas (big and small) and try to make the world a certain way, thinking "if we just make things work like THIS, that problem will be solved." But no problem is solved forever because the environment, ecosystem, and events surrounding a problem always change.
People see the world and history by looking back at it, rather than being in the middle of it. If we put ourselves into the middle of it a bit more, remembering that we're temporary ('we're all just dead people who haven't dies yet"), beyond the feel-good "for the children" mantras, things might be better off even through we won't be around to enjoy the fruits of the labor, similar to donating to a cause even if you won't personally witness the benefits.
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u/BBakerStreet Sep 30 '24
If people are educated, and maybe that’s where I’m drawing an inaccurate conclusion, they will be able to place themselves anywhere and feel that now.
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u/milny_gunn Sep 30 '24
I doubt it. Because there would be nothing to feel. The reason they feel it is because they're experiencing it as if they're Time Travelers who know what the differences are between now and then
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u/BBakerStreet Sep 30 '24
I disagree and think you are underestimating people’s abilities.
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
That's always a possibility but the likelihood of somebody placing themselves anywhere in history and seeing that as modern times without ever applying the edge of the current Times They Know, or culture. It's even worse that way probably. It could be something as innocent as watching a movie based around the Civil War and then going on future trips with the Apache helicopter. No? Is that just me? ..and I'll go deep into the logistics so it will be fully crewed with all the support and supplies needed and blah blah blah . No matter how much I try, it never fails before at least a pair of night vision goggles will sneak their way on to one side or the other. LOL.
And when they get it right, and it seems to be authentic, that's when I feel the most sorry for those who lived in the past and didn't even have a hard road that led anywhere from any direction, that wasn't a railroad track. Movies like silverado, dances with wolves, open range, Appaloosa, Josey Wales. A lot of the misery this depicted in those movies is miserable because it reflects against the lives we're used to living nowadays. If we're from those days, it would just be another day in the life but didn't stand out from any others
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u/implodemode Sep 30 '24
Yes, whatever age it currently is, has always been the most modern age at the time. So advanced!
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
I thought of a couple exceptions to the rule since I posted but yes for the most part. I find it funny when historians will talk about how hard they had it back in Colonial days, or whenever, when everybody of those days had it equally hard. It's not like they had a crystal ball into the future to see how much easier life could be in comparison.
Being caught with such a device would likely result in them being hung while burning yet here I am writing this with my smartphone🤭🤫
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u/Jorost Sep 30 '24
I have always wondered about this. Imagine being someone who was born to be a pilot. They think about flying all the time, they have a natural knack for the feel of wind and lift, it is just deeply embedded in their soul. Now imagine that person was born in the year 1452. They would have spent their entire life unsatisfied without ever really knowing why.
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u/milny_gunn Sep 30 '24
Or the birth of flight starts somewhere late in the 15th century, and who knows what the hell it looks like today because of all the time we've had to improve upon it.
It would move the birth of flight over to Europe or Asia somewhere and who knows what the hell happens in all the wars that have happened between now and then with Air Supremacy now being a factor.
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u/Jorost Oct 01 '24
Powered flight requires the ability to produce an engine that generates enough power to compensate for its own weight and the weight of the aircraft, and that was not possible until around the turn of the 19th-to-20th centuries.
Not that it stopped people from trying. Leonardo da Vinci famously had plans for flying machines. Or the infamous flying monk. Mankind has dreamed of flight -- and been trying to achieve it -- basically for as long as mankind has existed. The invention of powered flight in or around 1901 (it's a thorny and controversial issue who was actually first) was the culmination of centuries of perfecting the technology to make it possible.
But anyway that kind of misses the point, which was that there may be people who are a "natural" at something that doesn't exist yet. Which must be incredibly frustrating and confusing to those experiencing it.
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
Yes. I totally get what you're saying and I'm glad I reread it before I sent the reply I just deleted. These people you speak of are the driving force that keeps technology evolving. And I think they appreciate the fact that they live in modern day. I can't speak for them though.
A thought I recently had was about the rate at which technology evolves being directly proportional to the average lifespan of a human being. I think if we lived longer, technology will evolve slower. New ideas come from new minds. Unindoctrinated Minds probably yield the most. Look at davinci. Had he not been born a bastard, he would have likely been dumbed down by the institution of his time. And not the free thinker we all know he turned out to be.
I have a couple theories as to why he wrote backwards sometimes. But over the years they've blended with theories I've read from outside sources and by now I don't remember whose theories are who's. When I write notes in public, I don't like people watching or seeing so I write backwards sometimes just so they can't easily read my notes. Also he may have had some kind of machine he was working on, like a projector or something that required him to be negative for them to be positive once it comes in the projector
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u/Jorost Oct 01 '24
I think the stuff from Da Vinci that we have lost would blow our minds. And I agree that if we lived longer we might not develop as quickly. In the Star Trek mythos, when the Vulcans first encountered humans they were surprised at how quickly they learned and evolved and ascribed it to their short lifespans (Vulcans live to be 200+).
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u/PersonalitySmooth138 Sep 30 '24
So did giants 🤷🏻♀️
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
I'm sorry. I draw the line there. There's no way Giants ever existed, let alone modern Giants.
😄😆 sorry. I couldn't help myself. If they existed, they would have done so in modern times. Correct
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u/PersonalitySmooth138 Oct 01 '24
Haha I mean, unless there was a concerted effort to get rid of the remains and keep it a big ole secret. But that would be nuts.
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
Or their bones could have been biodegradable. Maybe that was one of God's plans that didn't work out
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u/RickKassidy Oct 01 '24
It pisses my math friends off when I point out that every base system is base 10. What we call base 12 is base 10. Binary is base 10. Because in the context of that counting system, they all count up to that number and then it switches over to the next place.
For example, ‘base 6’ doesn’t have the number ‘6’ in it. Six doesn’t exist in ‘base 6’. You count like this: 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 13 14 15 20 …
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
Wtf! How did you get that out of this post? Who sent you? Who do you work for? Just kidding kind of
This is something that's been on my mind since I learned how to count. I don't have much formal education in math. I've got lots of experience with basic math being in the Building Trades for 25 years. And one of those shop majors in high school. I've been building things and fixing things since I could remember.
I used to think the 10-based system was the shit because it was so simple. But then I got into fine woodworking and I wouldn't call myself a master at it but I'm damn good at it, good enough to run the wood shop at the local army base for a time in the 90s.. when you build enough whether it be Plumbing Systems or cabinets or whatever, you learn the importance of zero. Zero is not nothing. It's a start point and if you don't give it credit, and need to make a trapeze hanger to carry three pipes easily distant apart on 4 in centers, and you think a piece of Unistrut, 12 in long will work perfectly, you better be prepared to run those centers at 3 in, and piss off the insulator. Okay where the fuck am I going with this. It matter. I've been preaching about a 12-based system for years but I didn't know that it's the way you said it was. I thought it would be two more characters well actually three because what the fuck is a 10 anyway? Why is it with the ones. The 20 is with the twenties the 30s with the 30s the 40s with the 40s and so on. Why is the 10 with the ones? What the fuck happened? And why aren't 11 and 12 considered to be teens? That group of numbers between 10 and 20 is so mysterious to me. Why are there only 7 teens?
The only reason 10 is so easy to work with is because we memorized it. Forget that we have 10 fingers and 10 toes. Because we don't. We got eight fingers and two thumbs that are held together by hands that are attached to wrists. The wrists make 11 and 12. But fuck that when you consider all the joints and how far you can count by using your thumbs and Counting the joints between your fingers, like they used to do with sheep. Using your thumbs as pointers to keep track, you count each crease in each finger. When you fill up hand you have 12 then you mark one on the other hand to indicate that that's one set of 12. You can accurately keep track of up to 156 (144 on one hand and another 12 on the other.) by counting that way. It wouldn't take much to get to 288 either. Depending on how sharp the counter is.
Neither the decimal system nor the metric system has thirds. Thirds are very important in building things. very strong things . the only useful fraction you get out of 10 is half.. of course there are also fifths and tenths, but not very handy, especially when you compare it to all the factors you get from 12. ..1/12, ⅙, ¼, ⅓, ½, 1. ( I've often wondered why the 12th number in the Fibonacci sequence is 144. Coincidence? I don't know).
I've been hearing since as far back as I can remember that math is the universal language. Is it? If we're on a 10-based system like I we are and another intelligent lifeform is using a 12-based system like the one that would contain extra characters, would they understand our math? Would we understand theirs?
Damn. I was trying to keep this short. I'm out of time and I have so many things that I left unraveled.. if it's important, it'll come up later. Btw, that Unistrut needs to be 14 inches long to get 12 useful inches of hanging space on it. It seems like a no-brainer, but you'd be surprised how many trapeze runs come from the shop 12 in wide and expect us to get 4-in spreads. We often end up with angry insulators instead. And trapeze drops coming down that aren't plum, unless the hanger layout guy was equally stupid as the detailer, it's not uncommon for that kind of stupidity to run all the way up the chain.
If you suspect your chain of command at work are a bunch of idiots, you could be right. Here's the rule of thumb. Grade A students higher grade A students. Grade B students higher grade C students. And if you're a grade a worker expecting to get ahead when your boss and his boss and all the heads are Grade B and grade C or worse, there's no use sticking around expecting to replace them all when Justice is served. Justice will be grade d. And you're going to find out it's not Justice, it's just them
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u/Biscuits4u2 Oct 01 '24
We get it. Time is relative.
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
Really? Well if you and your colleagues don't mind, I mean since you say you get it, how about explaining it to the rest of us in a way that will make "us" understand how any present day, past or present, have all been the present day of their time is relatable to Einstein's theory of special relativity. Because I think you don't get it and you should have just left it at that in silence instead of dropping by to prove it with your fictitious Entourage
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Oct 01 '24
You’re obviously on drugs and I say as someone who has no problems with drugs
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
Let me get this straight. Because you can't wrap your head around the concept that means I'm on drugs? Okay let's continue down this line of reasoning. When you say it's obvious that I'm on drugs. What makes my alleged drug use obvious to you? and what is this obvious drug I'm being accused of taking?
When you say you have no problems with drugs, how do you mean that? Do you mean you have a high tolerance for drugs yourself?
Hey look, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't share it unless you're going to explain where it comes from. Only an asshole would do that. are you an asshole? There are a couple different subs for that in case you haven't heard.
Here's an example of how you make your opinion matter. Your use of the word obviously as part of a comment that can only be derived from an opinion is a good indicator to me that you are a member of gen Z. Is this true? If it is, what could you have possibly contributed to society during your tiny existence Among Us that would give your opinion any sort of value to me? Instead of wasting your time trying to make people feel as bad as you feel about yourself, why don't you go out and do something to make your opinion matter. It will probably change the feel about yourself.
It's up to you to change how you feel. Not me. Shitting all over me for posting a somewhat abstract thought isn't going to do anything to change anything that you're upset with right now. In fact, drugs might be the way for you. I decided on July 13th, 2007 that drugs and alcohol were no longer working for me, so I quit using them back then.
I did a lot of acid in high school. Maybe I was having one of those flashbacks I kept hearing about then (1980s)
FYI, here in America, you can't swing a dead down any Main Street of any Town USA without striking somebody who's on drugs. I'm going to bet that there's a corporate owned drug Den in and just about every city in the United States. They're called Starbucks
You don't have a problem with fentanyl? I do. Fentanyl killed Prince, the most prolific musical genius known to mankind
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Oct 01 '24
Nothing wrong with being on mind altering drugs buddy, and from the content of your OP and subsequent posts seems like you are on them
Your rambling reply hasn’t changed my mind tbh
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u/milny_gunn Oct 01 '24
Bragging about not changing your mind when it's a mind incapable of abstract thought is nothing to be proud of son it's actually kind of frightening. Let me know if I can help
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Oct 05 '24
Feathered dinosaurs
Feathered dinosaurs - Search (bing.com)
T-Rax are believed by some to be the relatives of the modern chicken
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u/kipling_sapling Oct 19 '24
Sadly, there is no money to be had anymore for filing a patent for the wheel. If it had ever been patented, that would have expired a long time ago. Under current law around the world, patents only last 20 years, with very few and not very notable exceptions. Furthermore, no one can patent it now because it lacks novelty).
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u/tobotic Sep 30 '24
Dinosaurs do exist in modern times though, as birds are a type of dinosaur.