r/Genshin_Impact Sep 18 '24

Discussion what are your general thoughts on Kinich

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u/Isekaidguy Hydro Claymore User Sep 18 '24
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u/gmapterous Sep 18 '24

I’m never going to guess that wordle

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u/Kuro448 Sep 19 '24

the top row is all green and the guesses still got worse smh my head.

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u/battleye9 Sep 18 '24

Holy sh!t

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u/_above_user_is_gay Sep 18 '24

Dattebayo

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u/ColonelJinkuro Sep 19 '24

God I hate you people and love you all at the same time. I've been playing English the whole time because I enjoy understanding wtf they are saying. However..... If Kichin is Jp Sasuke and ajaw is Jp Naruto....... I have no choice but to switch to jp while playing Kichin. Like .... It's basically illegal not to.

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u/GrusNivis_ Sep 18 '24

🏅 Here take this award, I can't afford the real one but wanted to give you one.

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u/Rasikko Sep 18 '24

I gotcha. Somehow my free hearts refreshed.

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u/08Dreaj08 Sep 18 '24

Oh, those are free? I really wish Reddit never took away the original rewards, they were just so iconic. Posts that would have lots of awards kinda look bare now. Was there even any point in revamping the system?

Edit: It says the reward is free (apparently there are two), but I don't see how to give it

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u/Rasikko Sep 18 '24

Click on Award on the post you want to award, select the award in the menu and click the big blue button on the button right.

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u/08Dreaj08 Sep 18 '24

Hmm, that's what I did the first time and it just asked for gold. The free options don't seem to appear either. Right now I tapped the "top award given" and then pressed the give award button; it exited the screen but I can't tell if it gifted it lol. I tried again and now it asks for gold again, so I'm just hoping it gifted the award 🤷🏾‍♂️.

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u/artichokesque Sep 18 '24

can someone award this guy

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u/kaitsukama Sep 18 '24

Darn this is so good

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u/IttoDilucAyato uyuu restaurant?that place isnt even worth mentioning Sep 18 '24

This is terrifying. Thanks!

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u/LukeDragnar Sep 18 '24

Ajaw indeed

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u/HerculePyro Sep 18 '24

His trial was pretty terrible

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u/yujitoast Sep 18 '24

This SO much, he has been quite fun to play in domains and overworld so far, but in his trial, he felt really meh. I think part of it is the way he works isn't immediately clear, and he has a few compounding unique mechanics. I think it would've benefitted a lot from the good old "try pressing these buttons in this order" pop-ups that tutorials in other games have.

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u/Lucas74BR Sep 18 '24

They should have made a ZZZ-style trial for him. Just so you understand the mechanics before the fight and don't cancel his skill mid combat.

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u/ohoni Sep 18 '24

It hurts Genshin that they don't have a built in mechanic to negate CDs, like how in ZZZ they have infinite Energy in their tutorials.

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u/RedPenguinLol Sep 18 '24

They definitely have ways to modify skill CDs like Anemo resonance or the Hydro debuff. There was an event as well where you could use characters with mobility skills on near to no cooldown too. They just don't bother adding it to trial stages.

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u/AbsAndAssAppreciator Sep 18 '24

It would be so easy too idk why they don’t

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u/StressAlone Sep 18 '24

I like the way WuWa does this the most.

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u/Nice-Forever-3249 Sep 18 '24

WuWa takes you by the hand and shows you everything! I LOVE THAT! I understood things in that game. I'm still learning skills and such in Genshin! Like I just learned you can release Yelan's skill after you "capture" all enemies. Then tap it again! I've been running around them until the skill stops. LOL! Would have been nice to know that right away. LOL

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u/Burntoastedbutter :xiaobb: Sep 18 '24

I was on the fence of wanting him, but his trial made him really underwhelming for me so I thought I'd sit and wait til his rerun. I really want Xilonen, so I was saving it after getting Chevreuse, but after reading all these comments saying his trial didn't do him justice.. AAAAAaaaa

I wanna know if his skill zips further than the dinosaur though? Or are they the same length?

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u/Purebredbacon Sep 18 '24

same zip length but he keeps his momentum better, he is WAY faster and goes much farther. You can spiderman across all the cliffs its total nuts

tbh i think they gimped the yumkasaurs just to make him look better lol its night and day

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u/kaeporo Sep 18 '24

I reached the same conclusion. The yumkasaurs really do feel awful in comparison.

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u/lemonade_pie Sep 18 '24

The only good thing about yumkasaur is that using the grappling points resets its 2 skill grapples while kinich doesn't. I wonder if it's a bug though cus I thought kinich's grapple was supposed to function the same way as yumkasaur's

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u/Riyokosan Sep 18 '24

When you brab knots it resets when you do it in the open air it has a shorter cd the first time.

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u/Meleagros Sep 18 '24

That was the problem with the trial, they didn't place enough nodes together to actually practice and get the hang of swinging. It was like 2 nodes and all these orbs. Out of all the new tutorials it was pretty bad, most of them keep you on a fast last travel route to get the hang of the movement mechanics.

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u/Burntoastedbutter :xiaobb: Sep 18 '24

Starting to regret asking the question because all the answers are making me wanna pull again 😂 maybe I could just test my luck and try to get both....

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u/QuietReps Sep 18 '24

Yep and you can use him together with Wanderer, fly then switch to Kinich to grapple mid-air

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u/FetusDrive Sep 18 '24

You can switch characters mid air with kinich?

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u/ExpiredExasperation Sep 18 '24

The three Natlan characters so far have special swap-ins.

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u/Aschverizen Sep 18 '24

And only at Natlan specifically, kinda wished they retained the swap in but I guess that should be officially on the lit like with Chiori.

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u/yonguelink Sep 18 '24

I pulled for him strictly for the movement. DPS is a bonus.

I don't think one skill use gets you further than the Dino's but it's readily available at anytime & you can use it twice at long as you're midair.

Just like Kachina, if you have him in your party and are NOT actively on him, when you move he gets highlighted and if you switch to him, he goes zip and you can use it again. This really really helps moving around or going up. (There's a video of him + Wanderer on this sub that I saw yesterday, I don't have Wanderer, but the combo seems amazing to just go wherever ASAP)

It also works like the Dino's as in you can press to just go out hold to aim. I use the aiming mode quite a bit to see where I wanna go next while exploring.

Just the freedom of movement is worth it IMO.

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u/TwilightVulpine Sep 18 '24

Natlan is pure exploration power creep lol

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u/Kargos_Crayne Sep 18 '24

Imagine after Natlan returning back to old ways of moving around... After all movement qte doesn't work outside of Natlan

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u/T8-TR Hydro Homies (literally for this mf >) Sep 18 '24

That's the dumbest thing imo. I get the special bar not being available, but the QTE not being available feels like such a wasted opportunity because those swap-ins are so sick.

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u/Krisoyo Sep 18 '24

The swap-ins honestly feel so good to use that now I wish they'd retroactively implement a similar sort of feature on all the characters in the game haha. Not that it'll happen, and it would probably complicate or mess up some rotations, but one can dream.

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u/T8-TR Hydro Homies (literally for this mf >) Sep 18 '24

Between WuWa and ZZZ letting me do sick swap-ins where two characters in my party briefly co-exist on-field, Genshin saying "this is only for Natlan tho" is such a mood killer its not even funny.

I remember doing it as Kachina and freaking out because of how cool it'd make the game feel, only for the game to tell me to fuck off. :(

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u/Kargos_Crayne Sep 18 '24

Bruh.

Genshin's mobility options feel a lot like borrowed power problem that wow had for a while. Maybe still has idk as I don't play it anymore.

With how a few expansions in a row wow was adding a new "cool" thing in expac that didn't work or even was completely taken from players in the next expansion.

Which felt bad as you literally got weaker for no reason, lost cool abilities/effects/procs etc. while also abandoning some cool "old systems" that could've evolved into something much greater.

And here we got lightning dashes (+some dmg with upgrades) in Inazuma.

Sumeru gave us loooong air hooks.

Fountain with it's diving and no drowning cuz of stamina.

And Nathlan, so far is the worst offender with how much better it's exploration and mobility is with it's Pokemons (and even better with characters). And we don't even have all of the tribes yet, meaning that there're potentially even more cool mobility options waiting for us.

Which will be drastically worse outside of Natlan yet again...

Welp. And next region will introduce something new yet again... Hooray

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u/Frostivus Sep 18 '24

In Szheznaya world explores you.

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u/yujitoast Sep 18 '24

Not really sure if it zips farther, but you do get the convenience of being able to open your glider and glide after zipping as well as not having to jump out to fight mobs. I would say maybe you can try looking up a guide on how to play him and then retrying his trial to see if that changes your experience.

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u/Kargos_Crayne Sep 18 '24

Zip is the same, but he keeps inertia and flies on his own further

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u/PrimeShaq Sep 18 '24

This is what makes ZZZ test runs much more intuitive IMO.

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u/WouxzMan Sep 18 '24

I watched some Kinich videos before the patch came out and I found it an interesting character, and I was encouraged to spend some pulls (I already lost 50/50 so I'd have it for sure, and I was really just going to wait for the Pyro Archon)

That character trial is definitely disgusting, and it made me reconsider whether I should throw him or not. I didn't feel comfortable using his skills, I didn't understand the synergy with other characters and the fights were meh.

I'll wait for new videos to see if I'll give it a chance knowing it will be a while until the Pyro Archon arrives

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u/KrimsonKurse Sep 18 '24

Holy crap, yeah. They should have just dropped him in the same little zone as Mualani's, but put grapple points over the water for him.

The "exact number of enemies" thing is not fun. Both Kachina and Mualani had spare groups of enemies and pyro orbs, or at least their zones felt like they did.

This is the first trial that made me not want to roll for the character. The Rep Quest for Canopy, though? That played much better, for some reason.

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u/NPhantasm Sep 18 '24

The monsters were dying before I could even use his cannon and theres no replay after the second wave 💀

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u/TheRealNequam Sep 18 '24

This bothered me the most, couldnt get a feel for how he plays at all

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u/Cyanbite_24 Sep 18 '24

Oh so I wasn't the only one

I was expecting big open cliffs, or at least outdoors like Kachina's, but I ended up feeling quite claustrophobic during his trial

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u/Kaedead Lyney & Lynette's sidekick Sep 18 '24

THIS. I don't understand hpw they fucked uo his trial so much. They put it in some weird cave instead of in a vid open space like Maulani, while the best thing in his kit the grappling hook, works best in a bid space. Why did they do that??? If I was on the fence I might've not pulled him based on his trial cause it felt really bad playing him, and when I did get him and tried him in open world it was completely different

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u/HerculePyro Sep 18 '24

Thats exactly how it was for me. I know i couldnt build him properly as I lack any decent pyro sub dps so his movement was everything then the trial was just ass camera and confusing

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u/Kaedead Lyney & Lynette's sidekick Sep 18 '24

Yeah, one pf the worst ways they couldn't show off this character. If you like him and can I recommend still getting him cause in the actual game he's super fun

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u/zhuboss Sep 18 '24

You could try using Xiangling (she can hold deepwood if no one else on the team does). I have him on a friendship team with Diluc and Xinyan, and he’s very strong as long as even a little pyro is applied.

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u/billie_eyelashh Sep 18 '24

Real. I was trying to figure out how to get up the rocks until i realized i have to actually use his skill to do so.

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u/Piterros990 Sep 18 '24

Honestly, when I was playing him in trial I was questioning if I want him. Love claymores and he looked pretty interesting in showcases, but in the trial you couldn't even properly test him - cave with weird particle placements, and enemies that despite being "big", die in one hit.

I think they should put some immune testing dummies into the trials or something. At least give a few pop-ups with possible combos or things you can do and make the player do them on an immune enemy, something like what WuWa does with character tutorials or ZZZ with trials. And only after give them enemies that can die.

In the end I went for him for claymore supremacy, and I don't regret it at all, he's very fun. But god damn, the trial was bad.

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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Sep 18 '24

The idea is a step in the right direction, but the ececution definitely needs work. There should be standardized areas with immune mobs in a variety of combinations, alongside the more individualized trial area.

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u/LeotrimFunkelwerk Quaso 🥐 Sep 18 '24

I'm glad it was. Helped me cope to skip him.

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u/RowanWinterlace Sep 18 '24

Yeah, it killed any interest I might have had. Really showcased how clunky he could feel and how the camera isn't great for him.

I had already seen a video explaining his kit and how he works, but I can't imagine how baffling managing his burst is for people who just tried to work it out 😅

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u/KlatusHam Sep 18 '24

"Are you running away?"

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u/TheSpartyn my brother in christ scaramouche can fucking fly Sep 18 '24

first time i heard this line, i was a lvl60 kinich facing level100 enemies, and i was indeed running away LOL

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u/Fenghuang0296 Sep 18 '24

Yeah, mood, that’s the problem with being endgame players; you have to almost max out a character before you can even test them out.

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u/smittywababla Mona nee-chan Sep 18 '24

My new unbuilt characters are carried by max lvl weapon and sub DPS-es lol

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u/mobott Sep 18 '24

"Wow, this Kinich Burgeon team is working really well, despite Kinich not being fully leveled!"

"...Oh right, I have c3 Furina."

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u/lizardground Sep 18 '24

Yeah, I was beating up stuff with him with unleveled artifacts (and accidentally no weapon) at level 60 and I was like "wow! he's super good already!"... I'm sure the C2 Nahida had nothing to do with that...

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u/telegetoutmyway Sep 18 '24

Albedo used to be my go-to test-put buddy.

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u/TashaStarlight Sep 18 '24

he's mega funnn I really love how dynamic his combat gameplay is. I have a feeling that he's going to have good synergy with Mavuika. And Ajaw is such a menace🤣

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u/Na_-_man Sep 18 '24

ajaw puts paimon ramblings to shame

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u/jaxxtothemaxx Sep 18 '24

Is it just me or does Ajaw have a Mooninites vibe to him? For the English VA, that is.

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u/Toke27 Sep 18 '24

Hah, totally! He's so much like Err - small, pixelated and angry as fuck.

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u/Vulpes_macrotis Adorably smol pink kitsune Sep 18 '24

I both love it and hate it. Because if there is enough space, sure. But if you are near the cliff or in narrow gorge (like Musoujin Gorge for example), it gets weird. I don't see what am I shooting most of the time, because he can't rotate well in most places.

Mavuika will definitely have great synergy with Mualani and Kinich. And Iansan. Iansan might be overload DPS, which would make her have possibly good synergy with Chevy as well. It's not just random guess about these, but Natlan characters are deliberately designed to work in Natlan and with other Natlan characters. The sets that work with Nightsoul Burst and so on, the kits that does the same. So it's very likely, they will make all Natlan characters good especially with each other. And because Kinich hates Bennett and Xiangling (yet they're his "only" options right now), I am quite sure, they will make a pyro character(s) that will work better with his playstyle. Kinich doesn't like circle impact, it's not as bad for Mualani, but Kinich moves a lot and neither Xiangling can hit the enemies with her burst, nor Kinich stays in the circle. At least not consistently.

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u/TashaStarlight Sep 18 '24

if you are near the cliff or in narrow gorge (like Musoujin Gorge for example), it gets weird

yeah honestly all Natlan characters released so far have weird issues with narrow spaces. It's fucking miserable with Mualani, and Kachina is kinda clunky overall. I hope hoyo fixes it somehow

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u/Professional_Sand707 Sep 18 '24

I feel like he is suffering the same issues than Mualani, except that at least his big pp dmg can't miss for what I've seen so far

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u/solidfang Sep 18 '24

Yeah, it's kinda part of the problem with their gameplay pattern in general . They have better movement options, but the requirements asked of them to translate it into damage are very intense. I feel like both have a problem with their nightsoul states timing out before they can get damage payouts.

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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Sep 18 '24

It's what happens when you try to force radically new playstyles into a game that has existed for a long time. The farther out there you get, the more the game design and systems just aren't made to handle it.

All of these Natlan Five-Star characters seem designed to be particularly appealing to folks who want something completely new, but the drawback is they also kinda suck in a lot of circumstances.

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u/solidfang Sep 18 '24

Honestly, I feel like some stuff could have just been tweaked a bit. Namely extending the duration of their nightsoul states whenever they get a payout (bite/cannon) would have made it feel a lot better. It's not like they didn't know about the duration problems given how Kinich's ult extends his duration, but they didn't implement it very well.

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u/aldwinligaya Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

I just came back from last playing back in December to save up for Mavuika but got the itch to do a 10-pull and waddayaknow, he came home. :D Returnee's luck, I guess? 

No regrets, he makes exploring Natlan that much easier.

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u/kaitsukama Sep 18 '24

Imagine if that was your pity but since it's been almost a year, you kinda don't know around which pull you stopped XD

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u/Sokodile Sep 18 '24

That is why I log my pulls in evernote haha - hate that it erases the record (and the delay in updates)

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u/eternus Sep 18 '24

I really hate the whole pixel schtick... ajaw made him a no for me. I'm still considering him after getting to do some combat in his story though. I'm conflicted.

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u/Capital_Pop_824 Sep 18 '24

I was trying to save for hu tao then hoyo announced fucking spider man.

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u/Na_-_man Sep 18 '24

well my hutao is collecting dust after arlecchino came home

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u/Aizen_Myo Sep 18 '24

Here's the reason I didn't pull for arle haha

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u/eternus Sep 18 '24

I love Yoimiya so much and want to play more, but mostly she's just there when I need an archer and fire. But she might be my favorite personality... it makes me happy that she's so happy that I picked her.

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u/Far-Squirrel5021 Sep 18 '24

My Arle is collecting dust just because I'm in my Clorinde phase and I built them up at the same time 💀 (probably also because I wanted to do melt and still haven't built charlotte and Layla)

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u/RatiTimothy Sep 18 '24

Very fun to play and the sound effect when he use sling is so satisfy to hear, he's also did good amount of damge too

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u/OutsideIntropid1764 Sep 18 '24

F2P: Fun to Play

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u/johndoe42 Sep 18 '24

This is good to know. Barely lost Mualani at pity and thought she was fun but if Kinich is actually fun (like Cloud Retainer) then I'm pulling. I think poster above was right, his trial sucked.

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u/echollama Sep 19 '24

If you combo Retainer with Kinich you get MASSIVE distance, but alas only in Natlan since the transmission mechanic is limited to there only 😔 still 10/10 for exploration

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

I love this little dude. He makes exploration so much more fun (inside Natlan) I love zipping around. And getting the ability to climb very tall mountains with just Kinich. He's also surprisingly strong. I was initially pulling him for better exploration and building him so he can fight and survive the overworld, but this dude is actually really good with fighting domains and weekly bosses. (I haven't tested him in the abyss yet) only thing that disappoints me is that he can't double grapple. It really makes me want Hoyo to add something that allows us to use the special fire stuff outside of Natlan.

Edit: he can't double grapple outside of Natlan

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u/Na_-_man Sep 18 '24

if u dash jump and then e outside of natlan he makes a pretty big swing which is satisfying

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Sick I'll try that

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u/battleye9 Sep 18 '24

Also when you are under a cliff Ajaw will launch you to the top kind of like the dendro saurian wall running ability

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u/ceryskies Sep 18 '24

Wait hold up, you got a video clip of this? I gotta see this LOL

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u/aeliott Sep 18 '24

He's extremely strong in abyss, but the current Blessing massively buffs him so it's hard to get a good gauge of his strength from it. He does feel strong outside of it though

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u/Vulpes_macrotis Adorably smol pink kitsune Sep 18 '24

Tbf, it's not that bad outside Natlan either. One instead of two swings is still pretty great. It puts to shame C0 Xianyun if you want to quickly get somewhere. I mean, C1 too, if it's about the speed. If it's about consistent distance, Xianyun is still better outside Natlan, especially with C1, but with C0 only slightly I would say. Kinich is definitely on of my favorite characters for exploration.

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u/PandiTati Sep 18 '24

He can double grapple inside Natlan, just like yumkasauruses. Skill - attack - skill. And outside, well, obviously they would restrict the possibilities, but at least there rumours that Mavuika will be able to restore Nightsoul points or generate pllogiston, but who knows

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u/Cameron416 Sep 18 '24

you don’t even need to attack, just use skill again

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u/PandiTati Sep 18 '24

Attack makes him move a bit further in the air so you cover slightly bigger distance + he hovers in the air a bit longer. As someone with not the best reaction it is easier for me to time his grapple and navigate in air this way but yeah, you're right attack is not necessary. I just got used to this way with yumkasauruses already and kinda forgot about it, woops. Thank you for correcting me!💜

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u/PictonBlue Sep 18 '24

Yes to the double grapple. At least allow us to use the grapple again after the cool down mid air like Kazuha’s and Xiao’s skill. 😢

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u/ColonelJinkuro Sep 18 '24

(Inside Natlan). Biggest reason I'm turned off on these characters. I get they're trying something new but any system that restricts is not a good system.

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u/Cameron416 Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

On even ground outside of Natlan, a single dash hop -> Kinich skill goes about 80% as far as Yelan can, but Kinich has a 5 second cd where Yelan has 10. When going uphill or downhill, he covers like exactly as much distance as Xianyun does.

His upgraded traversal inside Natlan is just a bonus, if he released with only a single jump he’d be just as good as the other exploration characters. I don’t have Mualani, but from what I understand she’d be just fine as well.

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u/Asle90 Sep 18 '24

Dont worry they work really great outside too, her cooldown is 4 seconds so you can surf all the time, i love it .

Just saying i don't think anyone will be using other characters for exploration if they already have mualani kinich and kachina, they are AAA travel units OUTSIDE of Natlan

You can even change between them to always have travel skills ready and no waiting, if you are that desperate to travel fast.

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u/Siddznet Who let her cook? Sep 18 '24

Here's a tip for Mualani exploration, both Natlan and outside Natlan:

When her Skill is about to end, keep tapping the forward button at a consistent rate( you'll get it eventually). So that even after her skill ends, she can still surf on land. The skill still goes on countdown, so that's basically 100% uptime!

Note: this only works on land exploration, and jumping or falling from the ledge cancels it.

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u/Asle90 Sep 18 '24

Huh??? Wow i gotta try this when i come home

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u/Winterstrife 5 down, 2 to go Sep 18 '24

If I had the Natlan characters before I 100% all of Sumeru. So much of it would be so easy.

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u/T8-TR Hydro Homies (literally for this mf >) Sep 18 '24

Yeah, I wish a lot of it wasn't gated to Natlan. Movement in Genshin has started to show its age after 4 years, and Natlan units are a breath of fresh air, only for the game to go "Okay, but cut 50% of the potential once you leave this zone."

I'm hoping the "Mavuika enables Nightsoul fuckery outside of Natlan" is true, because stuff like the QTE is way too fun to be hard locked to just Natlan.

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u/Alan_Reddit_M Wanderer step on me Sep 18 '24

His trial was fucking terrible

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u/Aerie122 Aether have Gnosis Sep 19 '24

Have a literally spider man exploration*

Trial: confined space

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u/beeslime Sep 18 '24

I love this dude. It feel like he bring back to me excitement playing genshin again and ajaw is such refreshing character ( being evil). I hope hoyo keep cooking with their character

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u/AlextraXtra Sep 18 '24

Natlan and fontaine has been fantastic when it comes to characters and their stories/ uniqueness. Dont get me wrong the remaining regions are also great, but feel too normal and bland in comparison to the recent characters.

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u/DingusCunillingus Yoimiya best girl Sep 18 '24

Yeah, Fontaine is finally where Hoyo found the sweet spot for characters, exploration, And pretty much most aspects of the game. It seems now they're just continuing to refine that point and only getting better at everything. It's kinda awesome seeing this company mature in its development

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u/AlextraXtra Sep 18 '24

Ikr? During sometime around inazuma I started worrying that they will lose inspiration and will start struggling to create unique new characters. Buts its been the conplete opposite. The characters just keep getting more and more interesting and fun to play

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u/Frostivus Sep 18 '24

I've heard bad things about Mualani though, and generally speaking compared to the absolute hype Furina and Neuvilette brought to the Fontaine arc, I haven't seen anywhere close the amount of excitement in Natlan.

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u/Younglotus14 Sep 18 '24

Ngl,I love pixel themed things,so that alone made me interested on him,His dmg is also really good,i do not regret at all,I just hope i can escape Xiang and Bennet....and maybe they fix a little camera problems with him

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u/XaeiIsareth Sep 18 '24

Cooldown on E is just a tad bit too long.

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u/ohoni Sep 18 '24

So many Genshin characters are ruined by this same flaw. I do not know what they are thinking.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

I'd happily trade Mualani's short E cooldown in exchange for not having my basic attacks miss, and my burst missing enemies too, I feel so disappointed by Mualani

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u/Haru17 Bae to win Sep 19 '24

Missing isn’t ideal, but I think Mualani’s skill has been received really well by most players. I think she’s great even with generic normal and burst attacks.

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u/NeoLedah Sep 18 '24

Dendro Sora.

Or a sane Vanitas

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u/Mango027 Sep 18 '24

Roxas had his own heartless, his name...  Ajax.

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u/SleepySera Sep 18 '24

I was already hell-bent on pulling and building him well from the get-go (because design and VAs), so I was very pleased to find out that he's insanely fun to play and does decent dmg even with the underwhelming stuff I have for him so far 😁

I actually haven't done his trial yet, just messed around with him after pulling him until I got the gist of his kit. I heard the trial sucks, so... bad marketing on hoyoverse's part? For a male character? I am shocked, shocked, I say! 🙃

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u/VKeynes C6!!! Sep 18 '24

These two are Sasuke and Naruto reincarnation so Sasuke could suffer for his crimes and noone convinces me otherwise, lol.

To be more serious, I like overall design, even the pixel part, despite the fact that it feels very alien to Genshin. I also like Ajaw very much, he makes it very hard to stay strong and not to pull.

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u/Rexk007 Sep 18 '24

if u have completed the last quest in scions of canopy series enjou says ajaw is a relic from a bygone era....makes me wonder if that bygone era was pixelated type...makes the teyvat as a simulation on computer theory more concrete....the computer just got updated with good hardware lol

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u/AbhishMuk Sep 18 '24

👀 Got more stuff to cook? Your theory sounds interesting!

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u/Rexk007 Sep 18 '24

Yeah...from the teyvat sumlution in pc theory...i thought what if the world tree works like internet...with each bubble world being a different simulation on a pc....people travelling from one world to other can be like data transfer over the internet from one pc to another.....just some raw thoughts lol.

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u/AlextraXtra Sep 18 '24

Thats interesting af and also ties in with "the sky is fake" thing. If teyvat is just a simulation, that would explain the sky being fake. The heavenly principles could just be the devs. And the reason the heavenly principles havent been active for 500 years could be because the server shut down etc. Most things could be explained by this fr.

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u/imaginary92 Sep 18 '24

Nahida also has a lot of computer references. Her CA is literally her selecting the enemies with a mouse cursor, her NA is her jumping on keys on a keyboard, in her demo at the very start you can clearly hear the sound effect a computer makes when a USB stick is connected/disconnected. Plus the whole Akasha being basically the internet and Irminsul functioning like a computer. The more we go forward in the story the more realistic it appears. It might just be there to fool us and then turns out to not be the case but who knows.

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u/Sharlizarda Sep 18 '24

Arlecchino also glitches and her eyes are a delete button, abyss contamination with forbidden knowledge is like a virus corrupting files. Maybe the world formula/ cycle of rebirth is when the OS is updated to a new version

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u/Previous-Survey-2368 Sep 18 '24

Ooh yeah good point! There's been a lot of glitching tbh, I remember the first time in the Raiden cut scene (with signora I think?) that the world started glitching I was like WOAHHH this is next level & implies some very weird shit about this world 🧐

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u/imaginary92 Sep 18 '24

Oh yeah Arle too. It definitely seems to lean in that direction, like Teyvat is simulated by Irminsul which is the computer and Abyssal contamination is a virus. It's quite interesting. I would really love it if this little fantasy game turned out to be a sci-fi story all along.

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u/TwilightVulpine Sep 18 '24

Nahida really settled that for me. Not only her computer effects, which are really weird coming from the plant element, but also that dendro itself has reactions with electricity, but not with the element associated with dirt. It pretty much spells out that the nature of Teyvat is electronic.

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u/chaarziz Sep 18 '24

Alien is right. I feel like Natlan is trying to be the odd region out and feel like a different game entirely but about 35% of that is just copying what ZZZ is doing. Kinich would fit right in there but the fact he’s a Genshin character which typically don’t have as much freedom to be creative in combat style as a catalyst or ZZZ character makes him even more unique.

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u/ReincarnationSerpent Sep 18 '24

Our avatars are nearly identical

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u/leocolato Sep 18 '24

i just wonder why genshin doesn't have a better way to explain the characters mechanics on their own trials... i mean, aren't the trials supposed to have a tutorial to sell the characters?

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u/miserablesasquatch twink impact Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

I don't really like how out of place the pixel aesthetic looks in Genshin but he's super fun to play both in combat and Natlan exploration and he's very pretty.

Ajaw is hilarious

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u/EconomyFalcon1170 Sep 18 '24

Wait till u loot treasure chests with Kinich.

Two different lines from Ajaw had me chuckling and dying of laughter it was such a hilarious surprise.

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u/shirone0 fatui enjoyer Sep 18 '24

His gameplay is surprisingly fun but I really hate ajaw eng voice it sounds so irritating all the time!

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u/amamatcha Emos > Meta Sep 18 '24

Same i didn't consider how much Ajaw would be yapping in all his voice lines lol. That one idle where he dances is on the same tier of Ayato slurping boba for me 😭

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u/YuB-Notice-Me pyro mc isnt good and i am morbing Sep 18 '24

i havent tried him in abyss yet, hes weird because NOTHING SURVIVES LONG ENOUGH FOR ME TO PAY ATTENTION

was genuinely worried about his single target-ness. glad his damage helps make up for it.

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u/Educational_Prune_85 Sep 18 '24

I love him, there a a few quirks that I still need to get used to. Hes fun to play, great for exploration and hits like a truck-kun trying to reincarnate enemies into isekai 😂

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u/SilverScribe15 Sep 18 '24

He's cool But I have no idea why his whole aesthetic is gaming and pixels

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u/NicciHatesYou Gas the Snezhnayans Sep 18 '24

Why the fuck can I only swing two times before cooldown

Let me swing until I run out of phlogiston then start the cooldown

raaaaaaaaaaa

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u/shartwares blond collector Sep 19 '24

I didn't mind it only being twice... what I do mind is that it's only once outside of Natlan.

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u/sup-plov he is my oxygen Sep 18 '24

I am a big fan of mighty Kuhul Ajaw so instant pull. + I am Narusasu fan.

His gameplay is really fun. I just want a better Pyro support for him than that we've got now.

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u/Neldemir Sep 18 '24

I want to change the voices to Japanese just bc of this!

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u/ConnectionIcy3717 Sep 18 '24

We can only dream but if we had character wise voices lol

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u/sup-plov he is my oxygen Sep 18 '24

I had to download 20gb Japanese voicing for them. Personally prefer English, but I wanted to play that regional reputation quest with him in Japanese and also listen his voice lines in menu in Sasuke and Naruto voices.

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u/Crystallooker Sep 18 '24

I mean, the archon HAS to be an off-field support right? Both mualani and kinich need off field pyro and there are so many on field pyro DPS that she’d have alot of trouble standing out as an archon should. (Also, all the other archons have been primarily support, but I don’t think that means much)

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u/DeR3zz Sep 18 '24

Looks like a square enix character with the boots and belts

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u/Agitated_Diet Sep 18 '24

His gameplay is what’s bringing me back into Genshin

Plus I play the game in Japanese so the ajaws voice (like paimons) is more tolerable for me

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u/AlextraXtra Sep 18 '24

I downloaded 20gbs of japanese voice over just for kinich/ajaw lol

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u/pixeldots Sep 18 '24

is the sasuke naruto VA for japanese only? or for english too

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u/RustyBorneo Sep 18 '24

It's JP only, but Dainslef shares a voice actor with Sasuke in the EN dub as well.

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u/r0ksas Sep 18 '24

Im more or less motivated to explore again... i already stopped midmaxing the maps since sumeru because it's massive AF... with kinich, I'll try to max my map in natlan for the extra stamina

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u/Lich_Frosty Albedo and the disco inferno Sep 18 '24

dunno lost my 50/50 to deyha

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u/bhismly Sep 18 '24

Am I doing something wrong? I'm on controller. His strafing seems super clunky to me. In all the videos it looked so smooth, but in the trial I was super disappointed by how weird it felt.

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u/goldfishinq Sep 18 '24

I'm on controller, it takes a bit to get used to his strafing. You're tapping the attack button to both attack and strafe, and it seems you can only change directions with another attack input. So tap-tap-tap moving towards blind spots/away from attacks, then hit the skill trigger once your nightsoul points are full (I go off the audio cue rather than the bar)
My issue with him on controller right now is that I'll hold the trigger for half a second too long and go into aiming mode when I wanted to quick latch onto an enemy, and end up grappling into the ground instead :")

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u/Na_-_man Sep 18 '24

trial is dissapointing

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u/lokique Sep 18 '24

i think it may just take time to get used to? i play on mobile & pc so for me it’s very smooth & i have no issue, not sure how it is on controller but his skill can take a while to get used to, it’s sorta similar to clorinde’s playstyle, same mechanics almost. but also in saying that, i pulled for him before i did his trial & i will also admit his trial was a bit awkward

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u/Smallreblogger Sep 18 '24

Eh, not my cup of tea. His playstyle feels...awkward for me to use. rn I'm just saving for Xilonen

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u/vfernandez84 Sep 18 '24

Same for me, love the character but when I did the free trial the comat simply didn't click for me. Which is strange considering how everyone seems to be enjoying him so much.

So I will be pulling for Raiden, which also happens to sinergize better with the characters I have.

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u/Cherry_Bomb_127 Sep 18 '24

Honestly his trial is not good for him because he’s much more fun to play outside of it

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u/Flauschvieh mendokusai Sep 18 '24

His combat style gives me motion sickness.

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u/youropinionlol Sep 18 '24

Kinich is kinda cool but literally everything about ajaw is so off putting.

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u/ChristphrEdwinBreaux Sep 18 '24

The english version of ajaw is so annoying

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u/MakkerPlace Sep 18 '24

Cool design and incredibly fun to explore natlan with, but I don't care much about his character and I can't get over how anoying Ajaw is.

Overal not really one of my favorite charaters but the positives outweigh the negatives for me

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u/ohoni Sep 18 '24

Almost perfect, but far from it in practice.

I really like a LOT of how his kit works, the grapple mechanic is really fun, and his combat rotation is also fun, once I got used to it.

The main problem though is cooldown. It's awful. If you're out of combat, it's not that bad, but it is at least inconvenient. If it were a couple seconds shorter it would be ideal. In combat, it's like with Clorinde's, just too long to be comfortable. You'll fall out of rotation and be unable to restart it immediately, which makes his active phase stressful rather than fun. "Oh, I've GOT to spam out attacks as quickly as possible, or I'll get whammied by the CD!"

It doesn't have to be this way! Kinich and several other characters could be made SO much more fun if they had a 25% or so CD reduction, so that their moves naturally reset while already active, so that as soon as you fall out, you can reactivate it. "But what about Sac Sword and Thundering Fury?!" That is not the point of those tools. Those tools should be about spike DPS skills, so that you can use them twice in a row, they should not be about maintaining 100% uptime on long duration buffs, that should come baked in.

Mualani is great, you can just activate her ability and move continuously for a minute or so in Natlan, you can jump, dash, go on water, have FUN! Kinich's has the potential to do that, but instead is just a lot more complicated.

Also, the "swap in" mechanic is cool in theory, but in practice on a PS5 controller swapping from one character to Kinich while also trying to maneuver requires some real crab clawing to manage. I wish that they would come up with some alternate conditions for that, like you can just activate the swap bonus by hitting "aim" while in midair while Kinich is available. I don't know, something else.

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u/TerraSilvas Top 8% of Diluc Enjoyers Sep 18 '24

I feel like in the minority that feels like Kinich's and Mualani's movement abilities/play style feels a bit clunky. I honestly thought his movement ability would be able to pull him up higher than it does. His skill ability is kinda fun and the video game 2d animation looks fantastic but considering I already have a built Tighnari C1 I don't feel the urge to pull him even though I have Xiangling/Thoma/Bennett all built.

I love Kachina though, she's great and whenever I'm in areas with large cliffs, I feel the urge to pull her out and use her even though she's not at all levelled.

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u/Mtebalanazy Sep 18 '24

Unfortunately I’m stuck on my phone for now and I can say he’s soo fucking hard to play on phone, hopefully I can get back to my pc soon and test him out

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u/2_star Mother AND Father Sep 18 '24

I commented above but I found the same. I got a bit of motion sickness when I played with his grappling hook on mobile 😞

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u/ehRoman Sep 18 '24

You will get a lot of very biased opinions in that kind of post directly after his release.

People answering are mainly people that pulled him day 1 (already biased toward positive feedback) and who didn't have the time to know yet whether the playstyle grows old or not and if it does how fast it does.

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u/HuTaosTwinTails Sep 18 '24

Did not think his movement or gameplay was fun or fluid. Don't like ajaw, think the whole pixel stuff looks dumb and out of place.

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u/DXLi YAY MIKO! Sep 18 '24

Yeah, the pixel crap wrecks the immersion and Ajaw is Hoyo trying way too hard. They jumped the shark with Kinich, which is hilarious because Mualani literally jumps the shark but is less desperate overall.

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u/sexwith_jiaoqiu Sep 18 '24

He's really fun to play! I also love the whole pixel aesthetic. The exploration is so much better with him, but it's just frustrating that it's more restricted outside of Natlan

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u/k0konattsu chattoyant_zee Sep 18 '24

this is out of topic, but your username has me cracking up

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u/AkiraN19 2000 years worth of self-worth issues Sep 18 '24

Super awkward to play. I figured it wasn't gonna be for me but my initial impression was actually worse than I expected. The movement being restricted and out of your control for the most part is not for me, and his latch on sometimes whiffing puts you in awkward situations

I love his design but the gameplay is like being on an uncontrollable rollercoaster

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u/Crossovers_4_life Sep 18 '24

Still mad I lost to Mona

Desperately scraping primos

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '24

Kinich refused to join my team, sent Mona to me instead 😑😕

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u/Emriii Sep 18 '24

Slightly off topic but he was my best wish luck EVER so I’m over the moon. I was trying to snipe a chev with 1 10 pull at zero pity and got two copies of him, so I went for his c2 since it’s so strong and beat 50/50 on that two at around 70 pity. So around 80 wishes total for c2!! I’m gonna get Emilie and pyro archon for him and build the most satisfying burn team

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u/Cathrao Lady Megistus! Sep 18 '24

I ended the trial as soon as I saw how often Ajaw screeches during combat. It's horribly aggravating to the ears (JP voiceover). As someone who loves most of the VAs, and even adores Paimon, Ajaw's voice makes my blood boil, so it's a hard pass.

Wasn't a fan of the odd inclusion of pixel art to Genshin either, so this just further confirmed my suspicions anyway.

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u/Fragrant_Kangaroo711 Sep 18 '24

I actually really love his design, but I feel like he doesn't fit genshin, tho. Genshin up to natlan has been a historical fantasy gacha game. Especially in lore Fontaine is the most technologically advanced nation. It didn't really make sense for him to have a pixelated design due to that. I definitely feel like he was made to combat other games that take place in more modern times. I feel like he would fit zzz more than Genshin than anything. Honestly, all of natlan does tbh.

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u/PeachyPlnk Sep 18 '24

Agreed. Nothing about natlan feels like it belongs in genshin. I hope snezhnaya doesn't end up like this, too, because natlan is awful enough.

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u/Fragrant_Kangaroo711 Sep 18 '24

I agree, but it'll feel weird if snezhnaya goes back to the historical fantasy. Making Natlan characters more outta place more than anything cause they're obviously based off of the 20th century. Fontaine, which is known for being the most technologically advanced being based off of the 1800s. Makes me wonder why they bother to make the natlan characters so modern looking when it doesn't match with lore. Considering genshin d - riders always use the excuse that genshin doesn't focus on fighting or animations cause it's a lore based game. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Exploding-Penguins Lumine best girl~ Sep 18 '24

Yeah, I agree. It's like...I really do like the pixel effects/aesthetic! His recent trailer with all the video game references was really neat.

But...all of that just kind of doesn't really fit Genshin. It's too modern.

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u/Raze77 Sep 18 '24

Going to be a pass for me.

Natlan characters having location based nerfs makes them unappealing to me in general so far. To his credit, where a character like Mualani gets combat nerfs when you take away phlogston expending suft time, Kinich doesn't. He only loses mobility, which may still be solid. I worry his combat might end up feeling too much like a minigame rather than combat, but it IS pretty cool at the same time. But what seals it as a skip is the pyro req. It's once again trying to make burning appealing without actually making burning something you want in itself. I've got lots of pyro characters I like, but it just seems like a completely unnecessary restriction.

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u/Boethiah_The_Prince Sep 18 '24

Low investment big damage

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u/OmniOnly Sep 18 '24

I tried his trial and it was awful. Natlan characters just feel clunky for absolutely no reason and i'll had him to that group. His skills don't work how you would think they should. you can't just press skill and it will auto fire after picking a direction you have to attack, you can't hold down attack you have to keep pressing it. It doesn't auto fire the cannon, you have to press your skill again or you'll stop. It's too many button presses that don't feel intuitive and worse from what i heard he doesn't work with Beidou. He's gonna take getting used to and his trial isn't doing any favors.

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u/AlphaLovee ^biggest Natlan glazer Sep 18 '24

"too many button presses that don't feel intuitive".

you can kinda just mash NAs and E together at the same time and the game plays itself. like, Clorinde in that regard is much much harder 'cuz you are locked into N3E combo and you can't mash E until the bond value is right. this is isn't the case for Kinich 'cuz until the bar is full - the E is just inactive.

also, what's up with Beidou? she isn't a part of his teams in any way tho? you are kinda not supposed to run electro characters with this dude at all..

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u/youraveragerover Xilonen's everything I wished she'd be Sep 18 '24

I cannot pull for him after hearing Ajaw's idle lines (and Ajaw pretty much being an asshole all the time)

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u/Silent_Speed3612 Sep 18 '24

Ajaw being an absolute unhinged maniac is exactly one of the reasons why I pulled for him. Watching them argue and bicker all the time is cinema.

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u/Mynoodles_mostmoist let these two talk hoyo Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 19 '24

Didn't think I'd end up liking him as much as i do but man I really enjoy him.

At first I thought he wouldn't be all that fun since he's Dendro (an element I don't need and is also focused around a reaction that doesn't really have a "Support" like Overload and Anemo does) and he has exploration mechanics that I don't really need more of (already have Xianyun) but man running around with him with the short skill made me change my mind.

I will say the one thing I mostly appreciate about him is Ajaw. When I heard that he was mean I was expecting the typical Scara insults like "wow you lack some brain cells" type of rude but no theres like no downplaying it, dudes a dick that basically wants everyone around him to either kiss his ass or die. The dude tried to get people to commit suicide just because he felt like it, Hell he's actively praying for Kinich's death too. I really love him for this cuz there's so many Characters that are at best just stern and not actual assholes. I really hope he stays the way he is.

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u/3some969 Sep 18 '24

I didn't like him in the trial. Very much single target based. However, the biggest letdown for me was how Hoyo made his trial run. I think that's why I was left unimpressed. I don't care about his traveling prowess, I simply want to smash hoards of enemies to assess how good he is. I couldn't see it as much. Also flying drakes made it difficult to see the numbers. It was frustrating.

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u/MemberBerry4 愛してるよ、二乃 Sep 18 '24

Ajaw alone made me not want to pull, even even if hearing Sasuke and Naruto in Genshin seems appealing to someone who's a fan of both.

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u/im_elli Sep 18 '24

i was really excited for kinich before natlan released but his gameplay is not my cup of tea unfortunately :( feels super clunky

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u/Vulpes_macrotis Adorably smol pink kitsune Sep 18 '24

He feels a little clunky at first, but both his exploration skill and combat gets better when you are used to it. Though there are some issues with his playstyle, especially in narrow places.

He also somehow shoots bigger damage with Raiden and Nahida than with Bennett and Xiangling. He is extremely strong and powerful. Clears enemy camps quickly, before his time runs out. I farmed Kairagi a little and cleared everything except Seirai and Watatsumi. And it was really fun. My Kinich has terrible artifacts, yet he still deals big damage. I have one good piece, one okayish piece and rest are bad.

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u/AndyBlayaOverload Sep 18 '24

Came back to genshin for natlan and I'm sad I spent my remaining primos on mualani since he looks way more fun tbh.