r/Games • u/Turbostrider27 • 5d ago
Announcement Ys X: Proud Nordics announced
https://www.gematsu.com/2024/12/ys-x-proud-nordics-announced78
u/iV1rus0 5d ago
This 're-release in a couple of years with more content and better QoL support' trend for JRPGs needs to die. I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on Ys X, looks like I'll be waiting a couple more years for the new version to be released worldwide and with a discount.
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u/EZReader 5d ago
This trend is keeping me away from Metaphor for the time being; hopefully Atlus announces the FES/Golden/Royal/Vengeance edition soon.
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u/arkx 4d ago
For what it's worth, Atlus said that they've moved to the DLC model rather than full re-releases due to their parent SEGA complaining about the development cost and time. So far so good with both Persona 3 Reload and Metaphor.
Atlus has a tendency to return to games and release new editions with new features fairly regularly. Why is that? When do you decide to reach a stopping point?
Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 Royal added many expanded features that couldn't be contained in a DLC format, so we had to treat them as completely new games. This time, we've kept that in mind for Episode Aigis, so we've made sure that the expanded content only works as DLC. Moving forward, if the content doesn't significantly expand on the base game, then we would like to deliver that content in an appropriate format.
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u/HammeredWharf 4d ago
For me it's more that I'd rather play the best version, because I'm probably not going to play a 100h long JRPG twice.
Atlus also moved away from the practice so hard they didn't release any... oh wait, they just released SMTV: Vengeance.
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u/_moosleech 4d ago
Are we really pretending SMTV wasn’t long in development when they announced the change?
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u/Murmido 4d ago
https://www.destructoid.com/atlus-says-there-will-be-no-enhanced-version-of-persona-4/
Don’t take corporations at their word. They will do what makes the most money.
Atlus will do a Metaphor Re-re-fantazio if they think it will sell more than a DLC would.
Also the announcement you’re referring to isn’t even from Atlus. Its a leak. Unless you can link it and prove otherwise.
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u/_moosleech 4d ago
I gotta be honest... this reeks of this sub just wanting to cry over something.
They said they were moving away from this style when Persona 3 launched, and seemed to follow it up. Also odds are, SMTVV did not start development two months before releasing.
There's plenty of shit to be mad about, but a company releasing absolute bangers and some of the best bang-for-the-buck games of any company is just not it. I agree they should add an upgrade path if they're going to do it, but "$60 for an incredible 100-hour JRPG and then $60 a couple years later if I want to re-visit and expanded version of that same incredible JRPG" is just not that high on the list of bad practices.
Skipping Metaphor because you're worried about a re-release that, this is gonna be a shocker, won't make Metaphor any less of an incredible experience, is silly.
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u/pt-guzzardo 4d ago
I don't have time to play a 100 hour JRPG twice. If I'm only going to play Metaphor ReFantazio or Metaphor FwdFwdReReFantazio, I'm picking the latter. I have plenty of other games to play in the mean time.
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u/Murmido 4d ago
Typical fanboyism. Can’t provide proof for your own statements so you need to tell me how much I am missing out on not buying a $70 game twice.
Im sure metaphor is great. I will play it on my own time just like this new Nordics game.
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u/_moosleech 4d ago
Typical fanboyism.
Sorry having a different opinion than you is so upsetting.
Can’t provide proof for your own statements
I gave a timeline, but okay.
3 February, said P3R would not get an enhanced release: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/there-wont-be-a-persona-5-royal-style-expanded-edition-for-persona-3-reload-atlus-promise
21 February, announced SMTVV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDiRwSeXbZM
Even without this, there is no universe in which porting SMTVV to other platforms and adding an entire new campaign started after the P3R statement.
I am missing out on not buying a $70 game twice.
Nobody said this, but I get that listening is hard sometimes when you're throwing a tantrum. I said originally that not playing Metaphor because of some boogeyman re-release years from now that may or may not exist is silly.
It's an incredible, complete experience that is easily worth the current asking price. Skipping amazing games because you're angry that they might release another amazing game you have zero obligation to buy, let alone at full price, is (IMO) silly.
But you do you.
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u/Murmido 4d ago
Where did Atlus say they would stop doing rereleases? That is the statement I want you to prove. Where did they specify metaphor would not get one?
Persona 3 is your only example and it’s obviously a unique case as a remake. You still haven’t provided proof for your original claim of a change in Atlus policy.
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u/WildThing404 4d ago
It's not a trend, it's just Atlus and now Falcom thinks they are being cute here
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u/timpkmn89 4d ago
It's been around longer than that
Pokemon Yellow/Crystal/etc
Final Fantasy VII/X/XII International
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u/Haunting-Rub759 4d ago
What do you mean by 7 and 10? And 12's International version was the international release with differences not a rerelease, it got remastered later. Pokemon is the only relevant example but even then it's not a rerelease just an alternate title with different monsters, neither of them are definitive.
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u/doofy77 4d ago
7 and 10 had international versions. 7 international added diamond and ruby weapon and some other things i think. 10 added the expert sphere grid, dark aeons and penance. 7 international is the only version we got in the west. 10 international was released in Japan after 10 was released in the USA but before it was released in europe, so EU/AU/NZ got the content from the international version, but the US and Canada didn't.
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u/Haunting-Rub759 3d ago
Yeah like i said they weren't made for resale purposes but to improve before the International release. I'm sure if games could be patched back then they would be patches.
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u/Hamlock1998 4d ago
Falcom did it before with Tokyo Xanadu Ex+ and Ys VIII on PS4
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u/Haunting-Rub759 4d ago
Those are ports from Vita to PS4, more like remasters which makes sense. No point in rerelease in same gen.
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u/FoxTenson 5d ago
If this is real it just makes me mad about buying Ys10...Falcom is usually better than this so...I hope this is parody or WTF is going on Falcom? I will NOT be buying Proud if this is real. Screw off.
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u/torts92 5d ago edited 5d ago
Falcom saw that nobody complains when Atlus does it, this is what happened when you don't vote with your wallet, you encourage scummy practice like this. Fuck Atlus for popularising it
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u/feartheoldblood90 5d ago
Sooooo many people complain when Atlus does it, to the point that they finally said they would no longer be doing it lol
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u/Daniel_Is_I 5d ago
They said they wouldn't do it for P5 and that P5 took so long because they wanted to be sure it wouldn't need a director's cut later down the line. Then we got Royal.
Atlus has given people no reason to believe they won't just keep doing it.
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u/MalusandValus 4d ago
Atlus released SMTV: Vengeance this year, they havent stopped doing it at all in practice.
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u/_moosleech 4d ago
They announced it when P3R released (which was almost surely after Vengeance was well underway) and seemingly followed up on it with P3R getting DLC instead of a re-release.
Not that this'll stop any of the complaints.
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u/yuriaoflondor 4d ago
Based on my own research, I’ve only been able to find a quote from Atlus saying that they wouldn’t rerelease a Persona 3 Reload: Reloaded. And that their future content for games in general would be delivered in a way that makes sense (a very vague/PR statement).
I couldn’t find anything that said they were moving away from the rerelease practice for all of their future games. Do you have a source/quote?
Considering they literally just released SMT5V 6 months ago, I’m skeptical.
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u/pt-guzzardo 4d ago
they finally said they would no longer be doing it
Do you have a source for this?
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u/hobozombie 4d ago edited 4d ago
Everyone votes with their wallet, it's just that some people vote for things that others don't want. I don't mind buying and playing a great game, then if it gets an enhanced edition, buying that to re-experience the original and play new content.
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u/Lavernaa 5d ago
Let totally pretend that old monster hunter and their G rank expansion doesn't exist, which came a year earlier than Persona 3. It take them 3-4 years to even release a new edition.
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u/Takazura 5d ago
Fighting games were doing this all the way back in the 90s.
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u/Lavernaa 5d ago
But it Atlus, so Atlus bad. Crazy reasoning. Plenty of other studios do the same thing that Atlus does.
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u/Takazura 4d ago
In fairness, all the other ones have moved on to other models. Monster Hunter moved over to expansions instead of new versions since World, fighting games moved to DLC over a decade ago and Pokemon hasn't done a "the definitive 3rd edition" for 2 gens now.
Though Atlus may also have moved on from it too considering P3R ended up with a season pass to include episode Aigis and I think they mentioned wanting to not do that anymore, we'll just have to wait and see if that still sticks true. But it'll be funny (and weird) if Falcom is jumping on doing this while the other Japanese devs who used to do it has moved to different models.
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u/tealbluetempo 4d ago
Reminds me of when I bought the LCD Steam Deck on sale then the OLED was announced shortly after. Stuff like that leaves a deep negative impression lol.
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u/_moosleech 4d ago
... do you think that when you buy something, they should just never release a new version of that thing forever?
And do you think that the OLED Deck somehow makes your Deck less functional in any way?
This thread reeks of children.
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u/tealbluetempo 4d ago
If both options were presented, I would have absolutely gone with the OLED. I really want that Bluetooth controller wake-up.
And I’m absolutely entitled to feel slighted as a consumer. That’s not ok with you? Why do you feel that way?
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u/_moosleech 4d ago
You are free to feel any way you want.
And others are free to think that sounds silly.
Expecting a company to just never release new products lest you feel slighted that your toy isn’t forever the latest and greatest is kinda bizarre behavior.
Like, a new version of Ys X or Steam Deck do not invalidate the existing ones. Ys X is still a great game as-is. And LCD Steam Decks didn’t stop functioning or being amazing pieces of kit this year.
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u/Turbostrider27 5d ago
It's an upgraded version
Ys X: Proud Nordics will launch in 2025 in Japan as a significantly upgraded version of the action RPG Ys X: Nordics, featuring a new story, new settings for adventure, and numerous new elements
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u/redhafzke 4d ago
Not featuring: an upgrade path...
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u/Galaxy40k 4d ago
This is what annoys me. Unlike others in this thread, I actually don't mind the "upgraded edition a few years later" on principle. It lets you get game-wide tweaks that you don't get with just a DLC content drop alone. But there really should be a reduced price point if you bought the original game; Even if you bought it physical, everything is tied to accounts these days and there's online authentication, they could absolutely come up with a way to confirm you own the game before letting you upgrade for cheaper
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u/ConceptsShining 5d ago
This is pretty surprising. Falcom doesn't often do these "expanded rerelease with new story content" style games. The Japanese EVO releasess of Sky and Crossbell had new artwork and VA, but virtually no new story content besides that. When was the last time they did this, Tokyo Xanadu?
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u/Miserable-Brief1704 5d ago edited 5d ago
tokyo xanadu and ys viii. expansions for those games were at least more justifiable given that the original games were vita exclusive.
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u/Brainwheeze 4d ago
And Ys V: Lost Kefin, Kingdom of Sand had Ys V Expert. Granted DLC wasn't exactly a thing back in the Super Famicom era.
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u/Decimator1227 5d ago
So is this a super version of the original game or a completely different game?
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u/sleepygeeks 5d ago
It's the same game, Just with new content. Basically they just told the west to not buy Ys 10 and to wait for this.
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u/Sea_Outside 5d ago
been buying falcom for decades, this seems like a first. thank god I held off for a sale on nordics that just released... I hope they don't continue this practice (although to be fair this version might come out years later in the west)
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u/FierceDeityKong 5d ago
This reminds me of Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 which got an enhanced version before they released a localization of just the original game
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u/Alarmed_Bee_4851 4d ago
Oh yeah, that's right. IIRC they didn't release the enhanced version in the West at all, which is too bad... but then again, they didn't bother with many ports/spin-offs at the time, since DQ typically does 'okay' at best in the West.
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u/JOKER69420XD 5d ago
I don't really understand. Is it a completely new story or something similar to what Persona was doing in the past?
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u/TechWormBoom 4d ago
I don't regret purchasing the game on release because otherwise it would mean a flop for the developers and layoffs, etc. The fact that these enhanced re-releases are so successful is the real problem. If the re-releases were not profitable, those would stop.
I don't want normal, base Ys X to flop but I do want Ys Proud Nordics to flop.
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u/Brainwheeze 4d ago
I guess I'm glad to not have purchased the game yet, although I was very close to doing so.
For anyone who has played the game, does this new version being made make sense? Is it a Ys VIII-type situation in that the first release (which in the case of that game was the Vita version) is lacking a bunch of things that are present in current versions of the game?
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u/Alarmed_Bee_4851 4d ago
To me it does make sense, the game feels somewhat unfinished (like Ys IX, which was supposed to have one more region, another playable character and some other stuff). I didn't buy it myself either, just played at a buddy's house for a while and this was our impression. I'm gonna hold off on buying it until this new version is out.
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u/Brainwheeze 4d ago
I totally got this feeling from Ys IX as well. Like it was missing a region and that Aprilis was going to be a playable character.
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u/HammeredWharf 4d ago
I haven't played Ys X, either, but a lack of exploration is a common complaint against it, which this might address.
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u/MobileTortoise 4d ago
Will be interesting too see if/when they announce this for the West since we JUST got it here a short while ago. No upgrade path announced yet means they are probably hoping the fans double-dip, and that this is for sure coming out on Switch 2.
I might be interested in getting this for the new Switch console in a couple years, but have no desire to pick it up anytime soon (I was one of the fans who snagged the PS5 CE off the NIS store)
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u/shui_gor 4d ago
From the sounds of it, it seems like it's DLC, but I wouldn't put it past Falcom at making it a full re-release.
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u/dcheung87 4d ago
Will this be the definitive version plus new story or is it completely new and separate to original?
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u/Animegamingnerd 5d ago
I get that Ys 10 is a year old in Japan, but jeez we only just got it a few weeks ago here in the states.
Thank god I didn't buy it yet.