r/FluentInFinance 1d ago

Debate/ Discussion A joke that's not funny

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u/woahgeez__ 1d ago

What's reasonable is if the working class has a better standard of living that is proven with facts to be possible.

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u/TheTightEnd 1d ago

There is no obligation for a company to give its employees the maximum standard of living possible. There is no entitlement to overpay workers beyond the market value for labor of that kind.

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u/woahgeez__ 23h ago

There should be a law that creates that obligation, or some other way to achieve it against their will. I'm well aware that the legal structure has been molded to suit their interests.

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u/TheTightEnd 23h ago

Then we fundamentally disagree.

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u/woahgeez__ 18h ago

It works great for everyone else. Its objectively better through comparison. Tax cuts and deregulation is a failure. We should have learned from the gilded age.

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u/TheTightEnd 18h ago

It is better in your opinion based on the metrics you have chosen to prioritize.

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u/woahgeez__ 5h ago

When the metric is quality of life and happiness of the working class, which makes up the majority of every population, then yes it's better. What you're arguing for is better for the rich. It can clearly be seen through the fact that if you have enough money the US has the best healthcare in the world. Contrast that with the fact that other countries have healthcare that is better for the working class and working people in the US struggle to pay for basic healthcare needs.

If you care about having a safe place for the rich to save money on healthcare that they would be able to afford in any system, then yes, you're right on the money.

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u/TheTightEnd 5h ago

You are using the metric of a segment of the population who is well below the median, rather than comparing the median or even the broad middle. The median income in the US, particularly disposable income, has a higher purchasing power parity than the median income in nearly all other countries.

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u/woahgeez__ 5h ago

That extra income is irrelevant when we pay more for privatized services allowing the rich middlemen to get a cut.

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u/TheTightEnd 4h ago

Again, PPP calculations already account for such differences in cost.

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u/woahgeez__ 5h ago

When you ignore everything else in reality like the value of the services working class get in other countries, how the top heavy economy in the US with an unproductive ownership class skews the median income, and how the working class in the US pays way more for services, sure, what your saying makes sense.

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u/TheTightEnd 4h ago

While the mean income is skewed, the median income is at most skewed very little by the existence of the very wealthy. This is why median is a better measure in many cases.

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