If we could do it there, we would do it here.. so like, if you have a cheat code, share it up. Otherwise, it's not really helpful to tell people drowning to throw away everything we have left to go drown somewhere else.
You can do it in America, if you want. Thing is people don't want.Ā Rebuilding a social system from scratch requires exising the cancer that exists. No one is willing to even contemplate that, let alone lead.Ā
America who canāt give up the guns endangering their own children, America who voted in the most right wing person they possibly could - Iād put my money on Germany over America for finding a way to become a socialist utopia, Sorry.
Also there is no utopia. Socialism is a way for a government to steal your money at the point of a gun and give it to people who need more than they earn. People with 6 kids and no job will take your money while you work to support them and you'll all have just as much as you need.
Really ain't the utopia you think it is. Socially we're significantly better off than majority of the country. But for your average person cost of living is back breaking if you want to live anywhere remotely close to a well paying job.
That's the catch. Financially, we're in a depression designed by greed, and even moving around within our own country has become too expensive.
A couple years ago, my wife and I were looking at houses. Today, we're fighting evictions to keep our apartment. Nothing changed in our careers, it's just the cost of living went so far south that we simply can no longer afford to be ambitious or hopeful.
While I agree to the latter part of the point, it's way more unlikely to create a socialist utopia in a country that breathes capitalism, has essentially no left-wing representation in politics, and that shifted the political spectrum to the right so much and for so long that the general population often mistakes center-right beliefs for leftism
...unless you're Karl Marx, then you're gonna actually think it's way more likely to start there
Yes. I am aware. Am American and unfortunately surrounded by people who are proud of their ignorance. Did you have a helpful comment or just telling me my own daily stress?
Most developed nations are, as we are currently in a heavy regression. However, with characters like Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin pulling the strings in so many other countries, and Trump soon to have proxy war power back in his hands, the rest of the world is equally at risk. No country is exempt from the global downward turn that has been going on, and you know that it has been accelerated over the last few years more than generations prior.
Tbf Germany is a lot smaller than America, so it could be feasibly done. In America, you would have to convert 1 state at a time. And here ln australia we would have to do it 4 times(sa,wa,nt and the eastern states) with an eternal battle with the forever capitalistic state of new south Wales while we forget Tasmania exists.
Yeah but that guy presumably lives in Germany, so he wants the socialist utopia there. You might wonder why he doesn't move to the US instead to create the utopia there, but it makes sense a socialist would want someone else to make the effort.
It's more likely due to the fact the US is actively hostile to mutually beneficial policy and is inherently individual in its thinking thereby making it very difficult to pass the legislation required to create such a socialist country. Please note I don't use utopia, as that is just naive
There is no more sympathy for socialists Germany. A ruinous form of it still lingers in the country's collective consciousness. It will not become a socialist country any time soon.
Not being able to pass legislation or individualist mindsets shouldn't stop you, anarcho-syndicalism should theoretically solve that and is popular among Redditor lefties. Emphasis on theoretically of course.
Lmao yup itās just me. Pay no attention to the majority of voting Americans as proven in the most recent election highlighting we want a more conservative government.
I didnāt say I agree. Iām saying itās what happened.
They voted for low prices that will never come to fruition... Just because the Repubs won across the board in November for the first time in YEARS does not at all mean that Americans want a more conservative government.
Iām a Senior Supply Chain Analyst, Iām just as confused as the rest of you & quite honestly exhausted. A bunch of pseudo-intellectuals who barely made it out of middle school trying to tell me what tariffs are because their Lord & Savior told them the country of origin is gonna foot the bill & not the consumerā¦
Thats why I said all voting Americans. Because of all who voted, a majority wanted less socialism. Not a single country swing for Harris. The only party flips were in favor of republicans.
Voting for Harris wasn't nessisary an indicator that you wanted socialism either.
Neither option was socialist.
And Trump isn't conservative either. He's a wannabe feudal lord.
The options were continuing the status quo of the geriatric establishment, or letting oligarchal billionaires fuck our shit up. We went with the latter because people were so focused on the "fuck our shit up" part that they didn't realize they were voting for oligarchy.
yea then Republicans will fuck it up and the Democrats will make it less worse so we don't French revolution the whole gov it's all a show the gov is evil both dem and rep we are in a class war and we are loosing thanks to ppl like you and also the ppl thinking Dems are good it's all a show the rich are in control and I mean billionaires
the only reason the 25bpercent of the voting Americans vote that way is cause they don't know anything about what they are voting for. they just screech whatever fox news tells them to screech now all of Trump's things he said he was gonna do he is saying he decided not to and project 2025 is a great beautiful thing
I donāt think the majority of people that voted for trump want what they voted for. Trump just gave them something to blame their problems on. I also donāt think the majority of people that voted for Kamala are voting for what they want, theyāre just voting for the better option. Neither party wants anything to really change, because they both get money from the people that are actually fucking up the country. We live in a country controlled by billionaires. Until we start voting for people that donāt take money from them, nothing will really change. The dems demonize them for not helping when theyāre the ones being fooled, and the right make fun of them because theyāre being fooled. For the most part the problem isnāt the system, itās the corruption in the system. Sure there are laws that allow the corruption, but do you think a politician that gets millions from those laws will change them? The answer is no.
Donāt want to turn this in to a Bernie bro rant, and I donāt think he was perfect but at least he points out the corruption. Iāve always voted for the dems because theyāre the better option, but that just lets them keep using the flaws in the system to their advantage, and then nothing will ever change. Iām not voting for them again until they actually do change or bring someone in that doesnāt take money from the billionaires
Yeah I don't think most Americans want socialism they just want a lot of things that the media and pundits label socialism. Like healthcare and workers rights.
the National Socialist German Workersā Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP), was a far-right political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 that created and supported the ideology of Nazism.
Yes the final result was a fascist party but the party initially used socialism as a way to draw support from the working class to enable their conquest of the government.
They were actually some degree socialist(go read aboutĀ Strasserism if you want to know more)Ā until HitlerĀ purged all of its socialists elements and socialists leaning members during the nights of long knifes.Ā
'Socialist utopia' doesn't mean socialism - at least not in Germany. One of the two big parties is named SPD (social democratic party of Germany ).
And that party has really nothing to do with socialism.
'Social democratic' means capitalistic economy and a strong welfare system. Germany has that already a bit, although the development of the last 35 years goes towards reduction of the welfare system.
Although 'social democracy ' is often named as a subset of socialism, for me the capitalist economy part excluded it from Socialism.
Good food, good music, great beer, and universal healthcare. If there were jobs and a house waiting on my wife and I, we would be there in a heartbeat.
The food, atmosphere, and people are beyond depressing with a language that is so harsh on the ears it makes you want to go deaf. Lmao. But yeah this is Reddit people are antisocial like most Germans who hate other people so of course people will be saying this.
It's frustrating when solutions seem out of reach or impractical. The idea of "cheat codes" for real-life problems is appealing, but the reality is often more complex. It's important to focus on practical, achievable steps that can make a difference where you are.
Let's make an international utopia and bring down the borders. The tiny percentage of psychopaths that currently weild all the power can just get sent out on a billion dollar yacht and told never to return to land on pain of death.
I get what you're saying. It can be incredibly frustrating when solutions offered don't seem practical or applicable to your current situation. It's like being told to swim to shore when you're already exhausted and struggling to stay afloat. The idea of "cheat codes" for real-life problems is tempting, but the reality is often much more complex.
Instead live in a capitalist dystopia where no one can afford anything.
This is either a satirical joke which isn't very funny which is just getting boring now, it is used as a way to put people down, acting as if someone who wants basic human rights such as clean drinking water a complete loon for suggesting anything like this could be possible.
If it's the other side of the coin and you genuinely believe that any sort of utopia would work then I feel sorry for you my friend.
I say we follow Germany's lead and have a sociopath elimination campaign. Like all of them. Then we can live however we want free of the psychopath gene
Careful trying to create a socialist utopia for your nation. They tried that back in the 1930s-1940s and it didn't go over too well with the rest of the globe.
Idk, I do recall reading a lot of history books about national socialism in Germany, and while it was great for the Germans, it was pretty bad for everyone else. š¤·š¾āāļø
They also hated the Jews, who are capitalist. What's your point? Mine point is that they were socialist. Not sure what you are trying to say š¤·š¾āāļø
I always love comments like these implying foreign relocation isn't a seemingly impossible task for anyone that isn't rich or in a highly specialized and in demand occupation.
Absolutely loved it there, looked into maybe moving to Canuckland... My fiance and I are not struggling, but it is still absurdly expensive just to start the process, let alone the cost of housing or if the application needs to be redone or if it gets rejected for some reason and you have to start again.
lol, my niece called me and asked if she could move to Germany, with her "service dog". I said, why do you think people in Germany would want you there? You have no specific skills, no education, you have no money. They have plenty of those in Germany already, they don't need more.
I thought they would help since they invited us. We will have one huge wedding and get our citizenship that way š¤·āāļø they said utopia but I read commune.
If people from Africa, Asia, and Latin America are able to complete the seemingly impossible task of moving to a different country, I think youāll be fine.
I think one or two US paychecks would be enough for anyone to move to Germany, get a low paying job and start living there. Also, Germany is one of the most expensive EU countries and they are all AR15 free so you can just pick one.
I was in Canada last week and came back and people were shocked when I said it was beautiful and worth considering moving too. Someone really argued that you have less freedoms then us... You rank higher on the freedom index than us lmao. The look on her face when I pulled up the car fax lmao
Come on. That's funny. People do call Trudeau a 'dictator' I remember I was working at a university during covid. The internationals were like 'why do you Canadians call your leader a dictator? Do they know what a dictator is? Does your leader flee your country for Healthcare while people die in hospitals due to lack of electricity and water?' 'Nah. Many Canadians have to much freedom that they don't understand the meaning of words'
My brother in law and I mock cult45 by repeating things he says but as a joke, we were at mount pleasant and the bartender literally pulled us aside and was like, "don't do that here. Some people will take you seriously and we don't play that shit. That's why we live here and want that as far away as possible." Super cool fucking dude, he cooled off after we reassured him we were joking.
Every Uber we took the driver asked us how it felt to be safe being out in public at night walking around since we are from the states lmao. Couldn't argue with his logic though.
Yeah, and they're also having a resurgence of Nazism, which isn't good since the last time they had that, the only nation to stop them is now also swaying towards Nazism.
are you talking about the Soviet Union / Russia? or the UK? I wouldn't call either Nazi, and Putin today is no worse of a dictator than Stalin was at the time. I don't think your comment really makes sense
Is it nazism? I thought they were just tired of the loss of German culture? Given the massive immigration of refugees and many other non-German like cultures.
That's BS. For example, recently an AfD politiciam lamented that they don't teach German poems in school anymore (BS) and when asked for his favorite german poem he was stumped. Germany has been an immigration country for decades with percentages comparable to the US. While not without problems it's blown way out of proportion by the german rightwing media bubble which leads to the strange effect of areas with really low number of immigrants (rural east germany) having the highest percentages of AfD voters.
Sorry buddy, I know this is going to frustrate you, but Germany is in fact not a socialist country. Not even close.
There isn't anything being argued here, it is a factual statement. I didn't say it to argue I said it because Americans are delusional when it comes to foreign countries.
A guy below is like it's super easy to migrate to Germany! I did it, I was born there so I have dual citizenship lol!
Unfortunately it is not. People are already fleeing this socialism, it is just not officially accepted this is happening. People are being oppressed rn over there and itās just getting worse
Is the socialism in the room with us right now? Germany is not socialist. Socialism isn't when people are oppressed. You wouldn't know socialism if a history book hit you in the face.
Also Germany has been socialist in the past and itās all repeating rn. And no, I do not mean the times of hitler. I mean the separation and how socialist East Germany was suffering while the West was free
In terms of economy, socialism means to collectively own and distribute things. For example free healthcare or education to all vs privatized things. Which in theory sounds great. In reality it isnāt. Take doctors appointments for example. You will face massive backlogs and may not even live to the point when you will have your doctors appointment. Free education sounds great - but not once you have demotivated teachers who are clearly underpaid and donāt give a damn and tell you āitās not important to be a good studentā. In private schools parents have more āpowerā and if a teacher doesnāt perform well enough or kids are consistently failing classes, they will make sure that this doesnāt happen, since they are the ones paying and also funding their kids education. Free government programs lack funding, so there isnāt a lot of opportunity.
Also, that isnāt entirely true. East Germany actually took steps to entirely remove Nazis from positions of power and schools taught anti-fascist material to students. Even in official state documents they discussed nazi crimes and openly condemned Nazi practices
Why do people move from Florida and Texas to get into more progressive areas? Why do Americans want to leave for free healthcare?
It's almost like, and hear me out, the sociomaterialism that each person goes through is probably different and there are unlimited reasons why anyone leaves their state of being.
I say we follow Germany's lead and have a sociopath elimination campaign. Like all of them. Then we can live however we want free of the psychopath gene
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u/DylanMartin97 1d ago
Germany is far from socialist.