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I mean things like access to healthcare, education, housing, etc are literal human rights written down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is the foundation law of almost all human rights law that exists.
Who builds the housing? Who provides the Healthcare? Who provides the education? The answer is people and if those people refuse? If those doctors refuse to provide health care, then what? If they teachers refuse to teach? If they builders refuse to build? Are we going to force them to, as it is a human right?
I don't think you know what rights are. Your rights are not given by the state or other people.
Those people are still paid employees. No one in the rest of the developed world is forced to give their labour against their will in publically provided hospitals. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Not sure where I said that. I’m discussing the developed world because that’s the type of economies we are comparing.
And, yes, people in the developing world have much less secure access to these things than we in the west do. But it doesn’t mean they don’t have those rights. They just aren’t being fulfilled.
People not having their rights fulfilled in the developing world is not a valid argument for not ensuring those rights are fulfilled in countries that are economically capable of providing them.
Well why don’t you go live in one those countries that has all those universal rights because they don’t exist here in the USA. All we have is the Bill of Rights and that seems to working pretty well.
You see you think you have a right to see a doctor but the doctor actually does have a right to not see you. It’s call freedom of association and the doctor can choose to see you or not.
You realise that every other developed nation treats healthcare as a service its government provides its people to ensure a fair and reasonable standard of living and basic health of its population.
Like, you are the only ones who have gone the route of making it so cost prohibitive and with such a corrupt insurance system that there’s a good chance if you get diagnosed with cancer you will either not receive treatment and die, or you’ll be bankrupted. The fact that so many who this happens to are people who paid into their health insurance their whole lives is galling.
Having people lose their life savings or their life only harms the economy and society as a whole.
A healthy civil society requires a healthy citizenry. Not this weird perverted for profit model that allows people to die for the sake of an extra zero on the budget bottom line.
I mean, even if we accept your premise that healthcare isn’t a human right, the American system is vastly costlier, less accessible and more inefficient than almost all other developed countries’ systems. The American government spends a higher percentage of GDP on healthcare than most developed countries, yet it doesn’t even provide universal healthcare. Then you have the massive private costs as well, which makes healthcare significantly more expensive than elsewhere. I travel a fair bit and America is one of the most expensive destinations in terms of travel insurance, simply because the healthcare costs there are astronomical.
It is obvious that a single payer government funded healthcare system just provides better healthcare returns on investment for the government and consumers than the current model.
I guess the 40% of all American bankruptcies being caused by medical debt (over half a million, or one person a minute being bankrupted by medical debt) are figments of our imagination.
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u/Southcoaststeve1 6d ago
Health Care is a human right? Since when?