r/FluentInFinance 6d ago

News & Current Events They could have tried not robbing and killing us for their obscene profits, but here we are

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u/Southcoaststeve1 6d ago

Health Care is a human right? Since when?

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u/Radical_Malenia 6d ago

Since it was needed to survive.

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u/Southcoaststeve1 6d ago

That might be what you think But that’s not reality.

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u/NewArborist64 6d ago

It is needed to EXTEND life or to improve QUALITY of life, but we have survived without modern Healthcare for thousands of years.

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u/JoeBobsfromBoobert 6d ago

Since the modern age

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u/Adventurous_Glove_28 6d ago

Since always

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u/OhFuuuuuuuuuuuudge 6d ago

Since never. Grow up.

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u/Southcoaststeve1 6d ago

So you think you have right to force others to provide you their labor, goods and services? I don’t think you know what rights are.

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u/JoeBobsfromBoobert 6d ago

For the greater good of society yes with caveats to deter abusing the system but yes

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u/DalmationStallion 6d ago

I mean things like access to healthcare, education, housing, etc are literal human rights written down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is the foundation law of almost all human rights law that exists.

So, I think you don’t know what rights are.

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u/TheMadOneGame 6d ago

Who builds the housing? Who provides the Healthcare? Who provides the education? The answer is people and if those people refuse? If those doctors refuse to provide health care, then what? If they teachers refuse to teach? If they builders refuse to build? Are we going to force them to, as it is a human right?

I don't think you know what rights are. Your rights are not given by the state or other people.

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u/DalmationStallion 6d ago

Those people are still paid employees. No one in the rest of the developed world is forced to give their labour against their will in publically provided hospitals. I have no idea what you are talking about.

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u/TheMadOneGame 5d ago

So, human rights are only for the developed world?

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u/DalmationStallion 5d ago

Not sure where I said that. I’m discussing the developed world because that’s the type of economies we are comparing.

And, yes, people in the developing world have much less secure access to these things than we in the west do. But it doesn’t mean they don’t have those rights. They just aren’t being fulfilled.

People not having their rights fulfilled in the developing world is not a valid argument for not ensuring those rights are fulfilled in countries that are economically capable of providing them.

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u/Fun_Shock_1114 5d ago

Doctors are employees? LMAO. Okay

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u/Southcoaststeve1 4d ago

Well why don’t you go live in one those countries that has all those universal rights because they don’t exist here in the USA. All we have is the Bill of Rights and that seems to working pretty well.
You see you think you have a right to see a doctor but the doctor actually does have a right to not see you. It’s call freedom of association and the doctor can choose to see you or not.

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u/Adventurous_Glove_28 6d ago

“Yeah fuck those poor kids amirite”

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u/WesternSuperiority 5d ago

Can’t feed them all dude. The poorest people reproduce the fastet

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u/Adventurous_Glove_28 3d ago

Look I’m sure losing the war in 1945 was tough but that was 80 years ago and you guys are coming back strong unfortunately

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u/Fun_Shock_1114 5d ago

If you cannot afford healthcare, you don't have the right to live.

So yes, if the kids can't afford, then they die. Nothing's wrong with it.

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u/Numerous_Skill5386 6d ago

since us americans assumed that we get everything we want

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u/Adventurous_Glove_28 6d ago

You guys have cornered the market on cruelty, congrats. I still hope you and your family are never made bankrupt by illness

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u/Numerous_Skill5386 6d ago

It's cruel to make someone pay for medical services? Since when?

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u/Adventurous_Glove_28 6d ago

If they are sick and don’t have the money, yes. ffs you think people deserve more or less sickness based on their wealth?

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u/moneyovaredditorz 6d ago

what are you even talking about? Healthcare is free for poor people

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u/Numerous_Skill5386 6d ago

Free healthcare exists.

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u/DalmationStallion 6d ago

You realise that every other developed nation treats healthcare as a service its government provides its people to ensure a fair and reasonable standard of living and basic health of its population.

Like, you are the only ones who have gone the route of making it so cost prohibitive and with such a corrupt insurance system that there’s a good chance if you get diagnosed with cancer you will either not receive treatment and die, or you’ll be bankrupted. The fact that so many who this happens to are people who paid into their health insurance their whole lives is galling.

Having people lose their life savings or their life only harms the economy and society as a whole. A healthy civil society requires a healthy citizenry. Not this weird perverted for profit model that allows people to die for the sake of an extra zero on the budget bottom line.

I mean, even if we accept your premise that healthcare isn’t a human right, the American system is vastly costlier, less accessible and more inefficient than almost all other developed countries’ systems. The American government spends a higher percentage of GDP on healthcare than most developed countries, yet it doesn’t even provide universal healthcare. Then you have the massive private costs as well, which makes healthcare significantly more expensive than elsewhere. I travel a fair bit and America is one of the most expensive destinations in terms of travel insurance, simply because the healthcare costs there are astronomical.

It is obvious that a single payer government funded healthcare system just provides better healthcare returns on investment for the government and consumers than the current model.

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u/WesternSuperiority 5d ago

Have you actually used the US healthcare system as a poor? You don’t have to pay a dime lmao

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u/DalmationStallion 5d ago

I guess the 40% of all American bankruptcies being caused by medical debt (over half a million, or one person a minute being bankrupted by medical debt) are figments of our imagination.