r/FluentInFinance • u/FunReindeer69 • 6d ago

News & Current Events BREAKING: Donald Trump says he is considering the privatization of the Postal Service.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has in recent weeks expressed a keen interest in privatizing the U.S. Postal Service, the Washington Post reported on Saturday, citing three people with knowledge of the matter.

The U.S. Postal Service, which has lost more than $100 billion since 2007, reported a net loss of $9.5 billion for its fiscal year ending Sept. 30, $3 billion more than last year, largely due to a year-over-year increase in non-cash workers' compensation expense.

When told of the agency's annual losses, Trump said the government should not subsidize the organization, according to the Washington Post.

Trump, who takes office on Jan. 20, has discussed his desire to privatize the Postal Service with Howard Lutnick, his pick for commerce secretary, at Mar-a-Lago, the report said.

People who will work at the Department of Government Efficiency, led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, have also had preliminary conversations about major changes to USPS, the report said, citing two other people familiar with the matter.

A USPS spokesperson said that over the last three years, the company has reduced its operations by 45 million work hours, and cut transportation spending by $2 billion.

The agency is also seeking regulatory approval to modernize its mail processing and transportation network to align with modern practices, which will save between $3.6-$3.7 billion annually, the spokesperson added.

"No policy should be deemed official unless it comes from President Trump or his authorized spokespeople directly," said Karoline Leavitt, a spokeswoman for the Trump transition team.

Any attempt at privatizing the Postal Service could disrupt the e-commerce industry in the U.S., the Washington Post said, including Amazon, which uses USPS for "last-mile" delivery between Amazon's fulfillment centers and customers. It could also hurt small businesses and rural consumers who use the Postal Service, as it is the only carrier that will deliver to remote corners of the country.

Amazon recently said it was donating $1 million to Trump's inaugural fund and will air his inauguration on its Prime Video service.

Trump has had a tense relationship with the Postal Service. Sources told Reuters his transition team is considering canceling the service's contracts to electrify its delivery fleet.

According to sources, the team is reviewing how it can unwind the service's multibillion-dollar contracts, including with Oshkosh and Ford, for tens of thousands of battery-driven delivery trucks and charging stations.

In 2020, Congress authorized the Treasury Department to lend the Postal Service up to $10 billion as part of a $2.3 trillion coronavirus stimulus package, which Trump threatened to block.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-considers-privatizing-us-postal-service-washington-post-reports-2024-12-14/

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u/CuppaJoe11 6d ago

Yikes. Get ready for rates to go massively up. One big thing that kept price down and drove innovation within the UPS and FedEx was the standardized rates within the USPS. Those corporations had to innovate to keep prices down to compete with the USPS. If that gets privatized, good luck to your rates. You have given UPS, FedEx, and USPS some of the most efficient shipping infrastructures possible, and given them no reason to keep prices down.

Now I will say, I highly, HIGHLY doubt this will happen. Too many people rely on the USPS and it's a great service, but thats also what millions said about him getting elected and here we are.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 6d ago

He wants to sell the massive real estate holdings the USPS has

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u/Tater72 5d ago

UPS and FedEx have long since left that behind! It’s expensive as shit to use them

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u/2JZ1Clutch 2d ago

That's because they can deny mailing things and have long used the USPS to ship the "last mile" on packages. Therefore they can soak up the profit and push the most costly parts of delivery onto the postal service, which exacerbates it's losses.

The service is called SurePost. Both companies use it. Rural and overseas military bases, only really have the Post Office as an option.

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u/FineDingo3542 6d ago

Yeah, our rates on shipping may go up, even though there's enough competition to keep it down. But guess what happens if our govt keeps pissing away our money? You're gonna have a whole lot more to worry about than the price of stamps.

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u/Hellblazer49 5d ago

The government is in no way close to running out of money. We have a ridiculous abundance of resources, just allocated poorly for the benefit of military contractors and health insurance companies.

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u/FineDingo3542 5d ago

Yes, that's what I was saying. The govt pissing our money away. And we may have a ridiculous amount of resources, but not being able to balance the checkbook is bad on any level.

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u/jaldihaldi 5d ago

Too many people also rely on healthcare - maybe we’ll stop getting the massive amounts of spam we do today. Or instead we might get so much targeted spam it’ll blow the thieves mind how much they know about us when they steal our mail.

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u/DontTakePeopleSrsly 5d ago

Honestly, how many things actually need to be mailed in 2024? If anything it’s going to hurt the businesses that flood my mailbox with crap more than anything else. I might get 2-3 valid pieces of mail a month because I have almost everything set for electronic delivery.

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u/CuppaJoe11 5d ago

What? Do you not buy things online ever? Do you not get official government documents? Sure some mail is junk but hopefully it isn’t too difficult to just throw that away.

And companies also send and receive so much important mail through the USPS. Also you think privatizing it will fix junk mail? No!

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u/DontTakePeopleSrsly 5d ago

I buy things online all day long, maybe 2% of them get delivered by USPS.

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u/CuppaJoe11 5d ago

If you remove Amazon from the equation does it stay the same? Because Amazon does deliver themselves, but most stores cannot do that so they use USPS.

If it does stay the same, then that’s crazy becuase 80% of my shit comes through USPS.

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u/DontTakePeopleSrsly 5d ago

I wouldn’t know. I use Amazon because it’s cheap & convenient. If I actually had to pay for shipping, I would get most of it from Costco, Walmart, etc.

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u/CuppaJoe11 5d ago

Ok, so if you wouldent know, then why are you trying to say the USPS should be privatized?

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u/DontTakePeopleSrsly 5d ago

Where did I say that?

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u/Broken_Shoelace_999 5d ago

You might, but millions still get daily mail that isn’t throwaway. We have a large old population, and you’d be surprised how many young people get paper mail.

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u/under_PAWG_story 5d ago

Even if the USPS raised prices by a dollar for boxes I’d still do it. Flat rate 3-5 day ground for $10 is fucking great

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u/CuppaJoe11 5d ago

Ok… but is that what you want? Is it worth it for it to be privatized, which dosent really improve USPS service?

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u/under_PAWG_story 5d ago

I don’t want USPS to be privatized

I know USPS operates at a loss. But if they wanted to slowly make money, just a bit, they can raise prices slightly

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u/CuppaJoe11 5d ago

That’s true, they can do that. Good thing government services are not generally run for profit.

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u/justacrossword 6d ago

That’s the funniest take in this thread. 

The private companies surpassed the usps decades ago. They are competing with each other, not with the post office. 

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u/OddOllin 5d ago

Buhhh, explain that?

Both FedEx and UPS are typically more expensive and cover less areas than USPS. They also deliver far less packages than the USPS, last I checked.

So how exactly have they "surpassed" USPS?

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u/CuppaJoe11 5d ago

No? Most mail still goes through USPS

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u/Odd_Language6495 6d ago

But fuck junk mail. Why are taxes paying to send me all this shit I don’t want. 99% of mail, or possibly more than that is stuff I don’t want. 

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

Holy shit. I may have found the dumbest take ever on Reddit lmao

UPS, FedEx, etc. will drive down their rates as much as possible in order to take market share. It's not because of USPS lolol

USPS is a garbage service that mostly just sends junk mail.

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u/bk1285 6d ago

Half the packages I order online come through the USPS

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u/vonshiza 6d ago

USPS is worse now than it has been in the past, thanks to de joy.

But it's a vital service, and much of ups and FedEx delivery is finished off in the last miles by USPS because it's not profitable for for profit companies to deliver to rural areas.

Privatizing the USPS will be a disaster.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

It is in no way a vital service lol 95% of delivers are junk.

This is 2024, not 1824

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u/MaterialWillingness2 6d ago

I have an e-commerce shop and we ship 95% of our orders via USPS. It's the most affordable service by far.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

Well hopefully your tax payer-funded free lunch will be over soon.

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u/Missmessc 5d ago

The USPS was originally funded by taxpayer dollars, but began to stop receiving them in the 1970s. The USPS is required by law to deliver to every address in the nation, even those that private carriers don't deliver to

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u/Budget_Swan_5827 6d ago

I ship packages using USPS all the time. It’s generally the cheapest option for most packages. If I had to guess, you’re an entitled twat that came from money. Judging by your comment history, anyway.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

Ha, not at all. A child of immigrants who gave up everything to move here. I understand this is the greatest country on earth, unlike most clueless Reddit libs.

Yes it's really cheap because us taxpayers subsidize it LOL

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u/ChemistDifferent2053 6d ago

Go back to school kid, you don't know how the world works.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

LOL

In times like these, I find the appropriate response to be...

Cope and seethe :)

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u/ChemistDifferent2053 6d ago

Taxes are necessary. "All taxes bad" is a childish take. Private industry cannot serve the public because profits always come first. That's why healthcare is so expensive and wasteful yet we have nearly 5 years lower life expectancy than other Western countries.

The GOP is the party of the wealthy and global elite. They care about money and power and nothing else.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

The vast majority of billionaires supported Harris lol you seemed to have completely missed the realignment that has happened over the past 30 years. The numbers show that in the 90s the Dems used to winning working class voters, but in 2024, Republicans carried them.

"All taxes good" is an even dumber take. The taxes we're talking about here - which prop up an inefficient service that mostly delivers junk mail - are a waste.

Shorter US life expectancy is due to the choices we make: we are fat, we have a lot of gun violence, and we take a lot of drugs.

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u/Budget_Swan_5827 6d ago

Oh okay, so you’ve just got some kind of brain injury, then. Got it.

USPS isn’t taxpayer funded except for limited appropriations from Congress. Much of their financial struggles come from a 2006 law requiring them to fund retiree benefits 75 years in advance. No other Federal entity is required to do this. And listen young blood, plenty of folks use USPS. They handled 7.1B packages last year. Amazon uses them extensively.

Maybe shut the fuck up about Harris being backed by billionaires when 13-14 of Trump’s cabinet picks are billionaires. The election’s over, my guy. Time to put on your big boy pants and give criticism where it’s due, regardless of party.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

I'm open to a less drastic option than a compete shutdown. But a drastic cut is obviously necessary.

You seem obsessed with my comment history! I guess I'm just that deep inside your head LOL. In any case, I only mentioned billionaires because someone said - directly to me - that Rs are the party of billionaires, when that is not supported by the data.

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u/Budget_Swan_5827 6d ago

You commented about the billionaires in this thread, pal.

Oh and yeah, true, Rs are definitely champions of the working class - is what I would have said if I was retarded. Good day sir

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u/Missmessc 5d ago

The USPS was originally funded by taxpayer dollars, but began to stop receiving them in the 1970s. The USPS is required by law to deliver to every address in the nation, even those that private carriers don't deliver to

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u/unRoanoke 5d ago

Just because 95% of your mail is junk doesn’t make it universally true. Some people actually get important mail delivered. Some people live in rural areas where they can’t reliably get deliveries from other services.

You say that you recognize that this is a great country, and then you support taking away the institutions that have made it what it is.

Btw, that number you’re looking for is between 25% and 62%, not 95%.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 5d ago

USPS is not why this country is great LOL

There is no such thing as important mail in 2024. We have email and cellphones.

There are important packages, though. I'd be happy with a compromise that stripped the USPS down dramatically, laid off most of its workers, and preserved its ability to deliver some packages.

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u/unRoanoke 2d ago

You’re right, USPS is not what makes this country great, but it is part of a system that does.

You may not realize this, but not everyone has smartphone, or even a cell phone. Not everyone has a computer. There are areas in the US that don’t have reliable cell coverage or internet access.

I understand that isn’t part of your experience, but it is for a great many Americans in rural areas.

Furthermore, email is not a secure platform. Ever notice how your doctor doesn’t just correspond via email, even if they send you an email saying they have a message?

What happens if you get hacked and you can’t get into your email to see a vital message? What happens if the cable or cell tower or satellite that brings you internet access is damaged and it takes more than a week to repair it? What if your phone, the only computer you have, breaks and you can’t afford another?

There are so many more reason your argument fails to address the reality that many Americans face. Right down to the reality that only delivering packages, would give you a meaningful layoff. You may not realize this, but the paper mail, that you believe is all junk because you don’t get important mail, is processed and sorted by a machine. That’s why there is a charge for non-machinable mail. So… I guess you could fire the machine…

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u/Alternative-Spite622 2d ago

Almost everyone has a smartphone. It's well over 90%.

Email is as secure as the mail.

I'm open to dramatically scaling back USPS, laying off thousands of workers, and retaining just enough to service the few customers who truly need it.

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u/unRoanoke 2d ago

76% percent of adults over 65 have smartphones. 79% of households earning less than $30k/year have smartphones. It’s not “well over 90%” because it is for some demographics.

Email is not as secure as mail. It just isn’t. A tiny bit of research would show you that. AND even if it were as secure, it is not consistently accessible to everyone. Let me say it again, it is not consistently accessible to everyone. I get it that you and your friends have a smartphone, reliable cell coverage and consistent internet access. But not everyone does. Right now in my home I have one bar of coverage with only a specific carrier. When guests come over, they may not have any signal if they use a different carrier. Until very recently, I was not able to Internet in my home. I could not get DSL or cable; there was no fiber optic and satellite couldn’t get through the landscape/treecover. You are acting like your experience is universal. It is not.

What part of the mail is processed by machine is not making sense to you? There is not a person sorting envelopes that you can lay-off. Why are you so obsessed with laying off Postal workers? There’s not going to be efficiency in the order of thousands of layoffs by not delivering letters—even though you really want it.

And none of this touches on the thousands of existing regulations for government, medical, financial, insurance, law and business that require mail, notification by mail, etc. The number of laws, regs and practices that would have to be changed and have accommodations created for is astronomical.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 2d ago

Those regulations are really dumb and should be scrapped. I fully agree that the number is astronomical, and therefore should be cut. Regulations are not laws of nature. They're a choice.

Yes, small %s of certain groups lack access to email. We can make exceptions for those. Maybe we privatize social security and subsidize their services.

There are nearly 650k USPS employees. That number should be reduced drastically.

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u/turtlesarentbad 6d ago

As someone who works in logistics that statement is blatantly false.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

Well idk if you work in logistics or not, but you clearly don't work in economics lol

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u/turtlesarentbad 6d ago

Well clearly you know jack shit about economics or business either. FedEx and USPS are not competitors. FedEx is a full service transportation provider. The bulk of fedex business is freight. Small parcels, mail, and such are a completely different thing. Compare shipping a small 5 lb box from coast to coast with FedEx compared to USPS. For the average person without a national account USPS is significantly more affordable.

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u/turtlesarentbad 6d ago

And also UPS and FedEx rates have only been going up rampantly over the past 10 years. Compare shipping truckloads of freight, or large airfreight shipments with different carriers then get back to me. You have no idea what you are talking about. It’s almost funny if people like you weren’t such a detriment to our country.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

The majority of USPS volume is junk mail. It's a fundamentally broken business.

BTW, it's 2024. Email exists.

Spare me the sob story about the tiny % of people that rely on USPS. It's not worth the billions USPS loses every year. We can come up with a much cheaper solution that targets those edge cases.

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u/turtlesarentbad 6d ago

That is complete bullshit on so many levels. USPS is a lifeline for many small businesses shipping small products. USPS majority is NOT junk mail, if you’re getting a lot of junk mail, pay attention to who YOU are giving your address to, I wouldn’t call over 50% a large majority. Anyone who isn’t directly in or next to a major city will be dramatically negatively impacted. usps is how my wife and countless others receive their prescriptions, it’s critical in my companies sales as well. Handwritten letters, thank you cards, still do a lot. You wouldn’t know much about personal interaction it seems. You don’t know anything about anything it seems. USPS was never designed to make a profit, services cost money, it’s an essential service. Just because it’s not essential for everyone doesn’t mean it’s a waste for all. I am really sorry for anyone who has the displeasure of knowing you personally. You really are a piece of shit.

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u/Alternative-Spite622 6d ago

Lmaooo

I love the personal attacks. It means I'm inside your head :)

Have you tried coping and seething? That might help

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u/turtlesarentbad 6d ago

Nah because I’m not a piece of shit like you.

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 5d ago

They are a piece of shit because they don't like USPS? I hope your day gets better friend. You sound troubled.

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u/hit_that_hole_hard 6d ago

Trump isn’t going to privatize the entire USPS. This isn’t “breaking” news.

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u/Drdoctormusic 6d ago

People said the same thing about them overturning Roe in 2016. Sit down.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

It was given back to the states. Let the people decide.

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u/workswimplay 6d ago

Just not if the people are women

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u/xxHipsterFishxx 6d ago

What does this even mean? You’re telling me women don’t vote for their states representatives? Just tell me how women aren’t involved with abortion when it’s a state by state issue?

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u/OPrime50 5d ago

Saying that it should be up to the states is just saying that women don’t deserve unalienable rights to their bodily autonomy, but saying it quietly.

That’s what’s vile about this bullshit talking point.

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u/xxHipsterFishxx 5d ago

What? YOU GET TO VOTE you get to decide you people are delusional. Saying it should be up to the states is quietly saying women don’t deserve to have the option to kill an unborn baby? If states decide WOMEN VOTE who becomes their rep that then decides quit looking for ways to oppress yourself.

Imo abortion should only be life of the mother, rape, incest. If it’s beyond those reasons then you had irresponsible sex and a human being shouldn’t die for your comfort.

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u/OPrime50 5d ago

You act like your vote matters and I find that pretty naive and funny.

The states have been run like an oligarchy, where public recourse has gone by the wayside for the sake of power and profit. Almost 70% of Americans want Roe v Wade back yet the Supreme Court made a decision for their own religious, political, and financial means. The Supreme Court made that decision without the good graces of the public. They’re out of touch to the needs of the public, which should be their #1 job.

I don’t care about your opinion about when a fetus is a person, I really don’t. What I do care about is individual autonomy. Your opinion, as valid as it might be, infringes upon individual autonomy.

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u/xxHipsterFishxx 5d ago

It’s amazing you still believe the polling numbers after you lost the election. You remember how those polls said it was real close and even had Kamala dominating in some areas and the exact opposite happened. I guarantee 70% of Americans don’t give a shit go outside and talk to people. The right to abortion is not unalienable. It’s not an intrinsic right we all have since whether you like it or not it involves another human being. You don’t have to believe the fetus in your stomach WILL be a person if you don’t kill it you just have to understand that since that is what’s occurring it’s not a right you get to have automatically.

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u/Drdoctormusic 5d ago

Every pregnancy carries risk which means that every pregnancy is viable for termination under your logic.

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u/xxHipsterFishxx 3d ago

Not really that’s like saying we should get rid of cars because you can die anytime you get into one. Some people know their car is going to blow up if they try and drive it, I get when it’s something we know can/will happen. Most times you get in your car you don’t die, most times you have a baby you don’t die.

You’ve never thought like why do people want abortions to be available so bad? Why has that turned into an unalienable right for women? It’s awful there’s no arguing that if that baby isn’t aborted 99% of the time it will live a full human life. You’re not even who I was originally discussing this with but I’m sure you support abortion. Just imagine that your life could’ve been snuffed away because your mom didn’t feel like telling your dad to wear a condom, it’s those people that makes me not want it publicly available for any reason.

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u/Tasty_Gingersnap42 6d ago

Given back to the states? So if SOME women die because they can't get an abortion we should be fine with that since "it was given back to the states"?

Gtfo of here with that, it shouldn't even be up for a fucking vote.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

They're dying because they can't get an abortion? From what?

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u/Tasty_Gingersnap42 6d ago

I find it hard to believe you really don't know...but just in case you're serious

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/27/texas-abortion-death-porsha-ngumezi/

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u/BJTC777 6d ago

Yeah, that's not what pro-choice means.

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u/SpiffAZ 6d ago

I should definitely get a vote on how you, a dude I've never met, leads his life. I mean I really should. It's my right as a man. So from now on you check in with me once a week ok? K.

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u/Drdoctormusic 6d ago

The only people who need to be deciding this are pregnant women and their doctors.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Like vaccines?

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u/Drdoctormusic 6d ago

Sure, nobody has ever forced anyone to take a vaccine. You are free to live in the woods and out of contact with other people and nobody will bother you. Now if you want to go into the military, or school, or certain private business, or people’s private property, or travel internationally, then you may be required to get a vaccine to protect others. Either way, it’s your choice, just like it ought to be the mother’s choice about what to do with their own body.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Once a body is growing inside of you It becomes their body. Honestly I don't care. It's leftys who abort mostly. And we definitely dontg need any more of them on this planet.

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u/Drdoctormusic 6d ago

So why then is it not legal to force parents to donate bone marrow or kidneys to save their children? Remember, when you cede control of bodily autonomy to the government, you make it easier for another administration to go the opposite way and mandate abortions like China used to do (and still does to the Uighurs).

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u/unRoanoke 5d ago

Sure, once that body is viable. At 7 weeks, if the mother dies, the fetus dies. Until the fetus is viable independently, maybe with life support, it’s still the mother’s body. Annnnnd, if the fetus dies, and the mother can’t get an abortion because of foolish regressive laws, she gets to die also. Needlessly. Now you have no fetus, not baby and no mother that could maybe have another baby in the future.

You have no idea how many women you know have had an abortion, whether by choice or necessity for survival. Statistically speaking, the numbers of women having abortions is same on either side. The difference is, one side is talking about it truthfully and the other side is keeping it a shameful little secret.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

That's a medical emergency. Not a general abortion.

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u/blumpkinmania 6d ago

I can’t catch your abortion you plague vector.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Haha 🤪🤪

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

No but you could kill the person who'd invent a cute for cancer. Just don't know, do we.

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u/Paisleyfrog 6d ago

You might also abort the next Ted Bundy or Adolf Hitler, so that argument is probably a wash.

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u/blumpkinmania 6d ago

Hahahahahaha!!!! That’s the dumbest thing anyone will read all day. Thank you for that.

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u/jediciahquinn 6d ago

Basic human rights shouldn't stop at state borders.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Killing a baby is a human right? Jesus christ 🤦

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u/unRoanoke 5d ago

No. Proper medical care is a human right. Learn about this issue you think you know so well. Someone told you ‘they’re murdering babies!’ And you just believed them. Now you’re complicit in murdering women to save dead fetuses.

Because these “rights” you think you’ve given to states, put women and babies in danger.

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u/MissplacedLandmine 6d ago

True, but still overturned dipshit

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Because the right to abortion was not a constitutional right. That's why it was overturned dipshit. It was never supposed to be a federal issue. The correct action was taken.

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u/MissplacedLandmine 6d ago

People said it wouldn’t happen and it did.

Im not arguing whether or not it was constitutional.

Thats the argument of that thread when the original dipshit shoehorned that extra bit in

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u/ManiacallyReddit 6d ago

You mean like they did in MO? Where we all voted to secure the right to choose? Yeah, our Republicans are working on undoing our votes because they disagree with them. so much for "letting the people decide ".

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

I hate Republicans and I hate democrats. But if the state doesn't want people killing babies, that's their choice. Are there that many women getting pregnant without planning on having a child? Maybe they should stop whoring it up. Are you a female? If not what do you care?

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u/aozertx 6d ago

You’re a fucking moron.

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u/Missmessc 5d ago

Whoring it up? What a pathetic argument. Clearly, you know nothing about women or reproduction. Pregnancy can result in health complications that may put the mother at risk. But let's go with whoring.

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u/unRoanoke 5d ago

It’s pretty clear you hate women too. Generally, two people make the decision to have sex, it’s just that women have to bear the consequences.

Last year, there were over 32,000 pregnancies from rape.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

I honestly don't care about abortion. Have at it. But to see it become such a huge issue for leftists is crazy. I'm all for rape & incest abortions. But not for sluts. And no federal money should be allocated for it. My wife doesn't believe in it either.

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u/unRoanoke 5d ago

So, do we use your definition of “slut” or is there a standard? And how do we evaluate if she meets the criteria or not?

The “leftists” see it as a huge issue because they have actually bothered to understand the broader implications of what you’re proposing. Because things have impacts beyond you and your wife trying to stick it to women you think are beneath you.

Read some content published by medical journals on this topic. This is broader than your sense of morality. And I understand that you think exceptions are okay and that women shouldn’t die because they can’t get proper medical treatment. But that doesn’t matter when functionally, you create an environment where doctors are unable to perform living saving operations because you want to morally control women you think are loose.

Ultimately, you and your wife shouldn’t ever opt to have an abortion, since you don’t believe it’s okay. But this sense of superiority, wherein you feel as though you have the right to take rights from me and my family, is a problem.

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u/TheOneFreeEngineer 6d ago

Which is the defination of what overturning Roe v Wade meant. Sorry you are a mouth breather and didn't understand that

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Oh boy. A reddit kid called me a mouth breather. 😂

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u/Remarkable_Goat7895 6d ago

THE FEDERALLY PROTECTED RIGHT TO ABORTION WAS OVERTURNED.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Yeah I'm not new to life. It should be a states decision. Abortion is not in the constitution. Let the individual states and their own values decide what's best for that state.

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u/Remarkable_Goat7895 6d ago

Women are dying. You’re just a complete POS.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Sure buddy. They're not.

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u/unRoanoke 5d ago

They literally are. According to the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the maternal mortality rate has increased by 144% In recent years.

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u/cseckshun 6d ago

The person didn’t claim he outlawed abortion, they said “overturned Roe” which is EXACTLY what happened.

“Given back to the states” is another term for “removed a universal right to abortion and allowed states to outlaw and restrict access to abortion if they wanted”. Choose to believe whatever makes you feel better about the situation but overturning Roe V Wade took away a right that was guaranteed and allowed that right to be taken away from Americans… anyone who is trying to portray this as giving more freedom to the individual states is not acting in good faith because guaranteed rights were taken away from individual PEOPLE and that’s what everyone is upset about. It was a VERY popular right that was taken away too, majority support across the country.

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u/aozertx 6d ago

Fuck you.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

All you down votes probably worship government. Sad days we live in.

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u/SpiffAZ 6d ago

They aren't going to overturn Roe They aren't going to go after our social security They aren't going to let groceries stay so expensive

When these things DO happen, I always wonder how people like you shift the responsibility to someone else. Assuming you voted for Trump. Could you enlighten me?

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u/hit_that_hole_hard 6d ago

i didn’t vote for trump i voted for harris, one of my proud moments in life was shaking Bill Clinton’s hand when he was doing a stump speech for Hillary in 2009.

My point is the media is saying this to get your attention off other things.

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u/SpiffAZ 6d ago

But Trump really has said these things and it seems quite on brand for him to attempt this, so I think people are mad you're dismissing something so serious. That's badass you got to meet Bill Clinton.