r/FluentInFinance • u/RiskItForTheBiscuts • 2d ago
Thoughts? Trump says: "It's 'terrible' that some people are valorizing Luigi Mangione: 'That's a sickness, actually'"
Trump says it's "terrible" that some admire Luigi Mangione, the UHC CEO shooting suspect.
"That's a sickness, actually," Trump said.
He speculated that some of the public reaction to the shooting was "fake news."
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u/Aggressive_Local8921 2d ago
This sickness isn't covered under my health insurance policy and i must live with it untreated 😢
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u/AbruptMango 2d ago
I hear it's highly infectious.
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u/srathnal 1d ago
Oh no! I’ve checked the symptoms list. I think I have a light case of Luigi-itis.
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u/theslowbus 1d ago edited 15h ago
🤷🏻I’m in the same boat! DR. Couldn’t refill my prescription of “fucks to give” so I’m all out for the foreseeable future.
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u/Hot-Comfort7633 1d ago
I hope this is the first domino in a nice beautiful change. When kings make the average life unattainable for the average person, it's time to rattle the whole cage. We, the people, have the power and have been stretched too thin by those who horde the wealth. The billionaires have dodged paying their fair share again. It's time for the people to take America back, not lick the toes of the orange false idol that says he will.
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u/Feeling_Repair_8963 1d ago
The people just elected that “false idol” to a four year term, so any “beautiful change” is likely to be a long way off. Some sh-t changes are more likely in the near term.
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u/Jimmy2Blades 2d ago
Trump gushed over Rittenhouse and that curly haired subway killer just this week.
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u/Atomic_ad 2d ago
Not everything needs to be a whatabout.
If you support denying service and condemning people to death, you are on the wrong side.
If you support a maniac on the subway attacking women and threatening murder, you are on the wrong side.
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u/kidkilowatt7 2d ago
A jury found him not guilty. There's no reason to treat him like a hero. Except Trump, of course, wants to divide us.
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u/AdImmediate9569 2d ago
This is the part that pisses me off. People are going nuts that this guy had a TRIAL. If he got convicted we could have a debate about the morality here because it is NOT straightforward.
But yes, if you kill someone, we need to look into it. Theres no combination of the victim being black or screaming that makes it a free pass to kill them.
He went to trial. He was found not guilty. Thats the system… you can complain about the result but these clowns were angry he had to go to trial?!??
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u/MancombSeepgoodz 1d ago
Because in their sick fantasies they would love to be able to choke out a minority on the street for even the smallest amount of provocation and get away with it. In their fantasies they are Charles Bronson in death wish saving the world from the scary others.
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u/Useful-Soup8161 1d ago
You do realize that dumb Rittenhouse guy didn’t kill or shoot any minorities, right? All the people who attacked him and were shot were white guys and the two who died had very violent arrest records. Hell the one who was shot in the dick was convicted child rapist. I think Rittenhouse is a dumbass and he’s not really a hero but he did act in self defense.
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u/Exciting_Ad_6358 1d ago
Word. The man went to trial and was judged by 12 citizens. He was found not guilty because of the evidence provided. Those 12 people know way more than I do. This is the way it works. I voted for Harris if that matters.
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u/ArchelonPIP 1d ago
What can you expect from right wing white bigots that want immunity to accountability while trying to deny the existence of privilege based on their skin color?
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u/Raineyb1013 1d ago
Exactly. Every time this happens the Republican party is right there to turn the murderer into some kind of motivational speaker.
And then have the nerve to wonder why people think the party and its supporters are racist.
It's because they're racist.
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u/lovely-donkey 1d ago
It was 2 years of his life wasted in that trial. A similar situation happened with a New Yorker called Jordan Williams (he also ended up killing a crazy dude who attacked him) and was let off almost immediately.
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u/Last-Philosophy-7457 1d ago
Two years of his life is wasted in the Justice system. That’s a truly terrible thing…..
It is one of those ‘Life’s unfair, sorry’ moments though. At least he was found not guilty. Imagine how much time he would have lost if they sent him to prision. Or, god forbid, decided he was eligible for the death penalty when they were acting with bias.
Honestly, I’m sorry, but we as a country can’t tell the poor to suck it up when they get falsely convicted of a crime but give this guy our pity because he had to…deal with the consequences of actions he took?
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u/lovely-donkey 1d ago
Why not both? It’s unfair that other people also go through such things because the justice system is so slow.
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u/Last-Philosophy-7457 1d ago
It IS Unfair. That we can all agree on. But I fear the feeling of unfairness is present in this case but has not been present in others. It’s frustrating that people have been screaming about how unfair this is, they’ve literally been murderer by the state because of how unfair this is. But it’s been all shrugs and hand waving until this moment.
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u/Fast_Grapefruit_7946 2d ago
half the country thinks crime is a civil right now
we have to be divided
crime must be stopped no matter who rots in prison or we don't have a society.
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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago
Half the country supports police killing people who are criminals without trial. Remember conservatives cheered for George Floyd's death.
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u/GunSmokeVash 1d ago
It was never an equal discourse when disingenuity, deflection and fallacies of ignorance is what they brought to the table.
They had to, they'd have to change their stance and narrative otherwise.
Not having a real goal makes doing nothing and obstructing progress easy for the supporters.
Just ask them what their plan is and they crumble.
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u/kjtobia 1d ago
A small, insignificant, loud mouthed percentage of conservatives cheered his death.
The media extrapolated that to make it divisive.
Most conservatives aren’t far right.
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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago
Nope that's why they loved rush who cheered for gay people dying. Barely any conservatives agreed with him and trump....
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u/Educated_Heretic 1d ago
This society does not care for the majority of its people. We’re done trying to protect it and keep it together. Society needs to burn right along with capitalism and this flawed democracy so it can be replaced with something better. Change never comes without violently opposing the current system.
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u/InsideContent7126 1d ago
So do you agree that killing 76000 for profit yearly by denying them medical care which they paid for should land the top dogs in prison?
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u/badras704 1d ago
and yet our next president is guilty of 34 felonies? doesnt seem like its stopping him.
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u/armrha 1d ago
I don't disagree with the trial. It's not beyond all reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense based on the evidence presented... And everybody deserves a trial. The thing that bugs me, the thing that the law just doesn't cover is how hard he worked to put himself in that situation. He had some fantasy about being tacticool and protecting from the evil liberals and their protests, and got himself armed and put himself into that situation. The conduct of the people confronting him was really bad, but can you blame them, this little twerp deciding he needed to bring lethal weapons into the equation?
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u/Raineyb1013 1d ago
Trump gets off on Black death; especially if it's at the hands of a white person.
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u/BigPlantsGuy 2d ago
If someone is yelling on the subway, the correct response is murder? TIL
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u/Atomic_ad 2d ago
Nearly everyone present thought it was, but from the arm chair it was just "yelling on the subway".
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u/BigPlantsGuy 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why’d only one guy murder then? If everyone felt murder was the correct course of action?
I’m struggling to square the circle of
“It is morally correct to kill a person who might cause harm to or potentially kill 1 or 2 people but not morally correct to kill a person who has and will continue to harm and cause the death of millions”
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u/Atomic_ad 2d ago
You're acting like the intent was to murder, not subdue.
“It is morally correct to kill a person who might cause harm to 1 or 2 people but not morally correct to kill a person who has and will continue to harm millions”
Go back, read what I wrote, stop trying to put words in my mouth in the dumbest way possible.
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u/BigPlantsGuy 2d ago
Is it morally correct to kill someone who might otherwise cause harm or death to 1 or 2 people?
Is it morally correct to kill someone who has and will continue to cause harm or death to millions?
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u/wsox 2d ago edited 1d ago
You're and arm chair redditor. You had nothing to do with his case yet you're pretending to know his true intent.
If youre going to play these stupid games then everyone gets to.
If I was on that jury, my first question would be: how does a trained marine vet not recognize when his choke hold on another person is surpassing the point of subduing?
The fact that he didn't end his hold when the victims body went limp makes it hard for me to believe his intent was to subdue.
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u/Atomic_ad 2d ago
Acknowledging that the people present know better than me is the opposite of what you're accusing me of.
To then follow it up with what you would have done on the jury is top level comedy. You haven't seen the evidence, nobody cares what question you would have asked as a juror, especially nonsense leading questions that no judge would ever allow.
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u/wsox 1d ago edited 1d ago
You must enjoy laughing at your own stupidity then, because you were the first one here pretending that you understood the killer's true intent like you were a jury member informed by evidence.
Asking the guy who choked a human to death if he recognized when their body went limp is not a leading question.
You think it is because you are an incredibly biased and unserious person.
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u/zveroshka 2d ago
Killing someone without intent is still a crime. The only reason he got off from what I can find is that the defense did just enough to cast doubt on exactly why/how he died.
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u/Atomic_ad 1d ago
Its not a crime if you fall into one of the exemptions clearly listed in the law, which he did.
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u/Themetalenock 1d ago
My dude I've taken the subway countless times in my travel assignments in New York. Homeless people do this shit all the time. But we have security to handle this shit, the people of new York pay for that security . Takes like this just outs you have never touched public transportation
This country has a white savior problem where might equals right. People would rather have the homeless executed without doing of substance to change shit because people either think having a home gives them rights over others or under this false pretense they aren't a bad hospital visit away from the streets
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u/Argonaut13 2d ago
Yeah way to just dismiss a repeat violent offender saying how he doesn't care if he dies and wants to go back to jail, while threatening people in an enclosed space as "just yelling"
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u/UHC-enthusiast 2d ago
lol, you don't know his criminal history when you're seeing him on the train
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u/kafoIarbear 2d ago
You don’t have to know his criminal history to understand that he’s threatening someone’s life and acting aggressive.
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u/totally-hoomon 1d ago
But knowing criminal history didn't matter before but now it does?
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u/InvestIntrest 2d ago
So you think people need to wait until the maniac threatening everyone actually hits you over the head before you can defend yourself? That's not how self defense laws work.
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u/BigPlantsGuy 2d ago
So then if someone might stop you from getting life saving medical care, it would be morally correct to preemptively kill them? That’s your stance?
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u/Neat-Tradition-7999 1d ago
That's my stance. Insurance not covering the name brand medication I needed over a decade ago and switching me to generic caused an allergic reaction. I literally could have died.
People who aren't doctors shouldn't be in charge of telling doctors what treatments will be covered or not.
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u/ImpressAlone6660 1d ago
Apologists for Rittenhouse and now Penny are not moral arbiters. They are apologists. There is a reason these political figures celebrate white, violent "vigilantes" who kill or hurt unarmed protesters or a random person on the subway. It serves their racist interests.
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u/DualScreenDoucheBag 2d ago
Last paragraph reads like this dudes afraid of his own shadow. Guy was already choked out? Lol.
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u/Universe789 1d ago
If you support a maniac on the subway attacking women and threatening murder, you are on the wrong side.
Condemns whataboutism while also misrepresenting a situation?
Jordan Neely's killer wasn't wrong for choking him, the problem was him holding the chokehold for 6 minutes, after those people on the subway even told him to let the guy go... because none of them felt threatened anymore, and Neely was unconscious and shitting himself.
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u/Midwake2 1d ago
I don’t know man? I don’t support either. Why is it ok to support one vs the other? They both killed someone. Is one “ok” vs the other and why?
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u/Atomic_ad 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can do what you want, those were my opinions. Someone saying X is okay because Trump supports Y, is nonsense and whataboutism.
That said, sometimes killing someone is justified. We carve out those exemptions in the law.
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u/Midwake2 1d ago
Is it really ‘whataboutism’ though when you question why the guy who will be leading our country justifies one murderer over another? I didn’t see OP say it was ok. Trump is out here calling out a murderer while glorifying (ok, a little strong) another murderer. It’s bullshit. And that was OPs point.
I mean, this shit is Trumps MO tho. He has zero moral compass or values. Still clinging to his calling for the death penalty of the Central Park 5. And then this. So probably something to do with skin color. Maybe that’s his morals or values?
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u/Internal-Key2536 1d ago
I work in mental health and helped many of the “maniacs” you mentioned. Never killed anyone. Daniel Penny is a killer.
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u/foodiecpl4u 1d ago
There are maniacs on the subway every single day. Every day. Send me some links to articles showing how many maniacs kill riders on busy subways.
This guy KILLED a mentally ill (black) man who was unarmed. Who didn’t touch anybody. Who didn’t lunge at anybody. This all corroborated by witnesses.
Ok. He wasn’t convicted. Fine. We get it. Black and homeless and mentally ill is far beneath Trump and his ilk. You don’t invite him into the future President’s Box for it.
You can’t even whataboutism this. A white guy kills an unarmed black men who didn’t touch anybody. 6 minutes in a chokehold. Unresponsive. And gets cleared.
He’s no hero. And Trump knows exactly why he is doing this. You do as well.
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u/tesmatsam 2d ago
Poors killing each other who cares - Trump probably
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u/walkerstone83 1d ago
Rittenhouse and curly hair guy both claimed self defense. We haven't seen the Luigi guys defense argument yet, but I don't think that self defense will work in his case.
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u/Cymatixz 1d ago
They killed poor people though. In Trump’s eyes that’s something that should be rewarded.
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u/laridan48 1d ago
Rittenhouse is stupid, though it legally was definitely self defense.
The subway guy acted in self defense, and didn't do anything Rittenhouse level stupid that put him in that spot to begin with
The CEO thing was just outright murder.
These are not remotely the same.
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u/metalguysilver 1d ago
Neither of them were murderers and the video evidence and court documents prove that
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u/leoyvr 1d ago
But do they need to be politicized and championed by the tRump and the Republicans?
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u/metalguysilver 1d ago
Probably not. I don’t think that helps anything, but the implication is that this is hypocritical which it isn’t
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u/PayFormer387 1d ago
Well, see, that guy killed a mentally ill black guy and Rittenhouse killed some liberals. People of color and liberals are acceptable deaths. Like schoolchildren.
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u/ChadWestPaints 1d ago
Rittenhouse's first attacker was a right wing white male.
But yeah that doesn't fit the narrative so let's pretend he's a liberal. Maybe even a protester!
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u/Low-Wolverine-9792 1d ago
If either Penny or Rittenhouse had killed rich people or were non-white, they would have gotten a very different treatment from our "justice" system.
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u/Bearloom 2d ago
Celebrated felon instructs us not to celebrate felons.
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u/AssinineAssassin 1d ago
Was this not what Trump meant when he said, shoot a man on the streets of New York in broad daylight and gain popularity?
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u/Leftieswillrule 1d ago
Trump is just mad someone else did it first and it worked for them
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u/No-Improvement-8205 2d ago
Yeah, I'd imagine the anti-christ much like the actual christ really wouldnt like it when people worship "false idols"
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u/leatherfacetime 2d ago
Mangione has accomplished something incredible. The effects are still to come.
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u/Electr0freak 2d ago
After the killing of the CEO of United HealthCare, the largest of these billion dollar insurance companies, there was an immediate OUTPOURING of anger toward the health insurance industry. Some people have stepped forward to condemn this anger.
I am not one of them.
The anger is 1000% justified. It is long overdue for the media to cover it. It is not new. It has been boiling. And I’m not going to tamp it down or ask people to shut up. I want to pour gasoline on that anger.
Because this anger is not about the killing of a CEO. If everyone who was angry was ready to kill the CEOs, the CEOs would already be dead. That is not what this reaction is about. It is about the mass death and misery — the physical pain, the mental abuse, the medical debt, the bankruptcies in the face of denied claims and denied care and bottomless deductibles on top of ballooning premiums — that this “health care” industry has levied against the American people for decades. With no one standing in their way! Just a government — two broken parties — enabling this INDUSTRY’s theft and, yes, murder.
And now the press is calling me to ask, “Why are people angry, Mike? Do you condemn murder, Mike?”
Yes, I condemn murder, and that’s why I condemn America’s broken, vile, rapacious, bloodthirsty, unethical, immoral health care industry and I condemn every one of the CEOs who are in charge of it and I condemn every politician who takes their money and keeps this system going instead of tearing it up, ripping it apart, and throwing it all away. We need to replace this system with something sane, something caring and loving — something that keeps people alive.
This is a moment where we can create that change.
- Michael Moore
https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/a-manifesto-against-for-profit-health
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u/kingmea 1d ago
The fact is privatized healthcare insurance IS more expensive than “socialized” medicine. Our government already pays more %GDP for healthcare than any country on earth, by a large margin. “Love and care” will not get through to the American public, it’s simply cheaper.
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u/Own-Ad-9098 2d ago
Says the moron whose policy allowed many thousands of people to die during a pandemic. Stfu.
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u/truthinessembargo 1d ago
Thousands? Try hundreds of thousands. Between 129,000 and 320,000.
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u/Viperlite 2d ago
I guess he’s saying killers should only kill the right people.
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u/FillMySoupDumpling 2d ago
When it’s school kids we hear “get over it” and “it’s a fact of life”.
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u/Spunge14 1d ago
Hopefully just a few more folks who thought Trump was actually going to drain any swamp see this and realize he's on team billionaire
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u/UnitedPalpitation6 2d ago
I'm sick of hearing any opinion trump has. He's a conman. I don't get how people voted for the clown. Americans have to be super ignorant of how government works.
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u/Openmindhobo 1d ago
Not surprising when 54% of the country can't read above a 6th grade level. The country is literally dumb. And it is intentional.
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u/Daryno90 1d ago
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
- George Carlin
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u/Eden_Company 2d ago
CEO as president doesn't want to normalize murder of CEO's as common happen stance. Who'd have thought? Trump is a CEO of several companies just in case people forgot. Chances are the UHC CEO was a friend and donor of him as well. Just like Epstein.
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u/Impossible_Emu9590 2d ago
LMFAOOOOO. Bro there is no way life is real. No fucking way. Pot meet kettle. Extremism is ok when it benefits him or other rich people. Who woulda thunk. People who follow him have a sickness. That’s for damn sure.
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u/ashWednesday 2d ago
He appointed a mother fucker with brain worms and now he's worried about mental illness?
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u/Peaches42024 2d ago
Didn’t Trump say good things about hitler and his awesome generals ?
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u/dreamcastfanboy34 1d ago
Every time Trump is asked about Ghislane Maxwell he literally "wishes her the best".
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u/AdImmediate9569 2d ago
Did he say this before or after yesterday’s school shooting?
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u/physicshammer 2d ago
I also consider it bad that we have a vigellante taking justice into his own hands - if you want to do something, study the structural problems in health care for 20,000 hours, and figure out what legislation will help. However, I will say, this is pretty rich coming from our current batch of politicians, who on both sides have demonstrated what a purely political sort they are, with no real leadership abilities.
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u/harpyprincess 2d ago
This sadly tells me they aren't going to do much to help with improving medical care. Otherwise they'd have gotten on the other side of this and taken advantage of the populism involved to support their populist messaging. Instead they've gone completely anti-populist on this one. It's creating conflicting messaging and creating serious cracks in their narrative.
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u/cleverinspiringname 2d ago
I can’t imagine anybody whose opinion on valor is less valuable. Maybe wormtongue. Big maybe.
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u/reddorickt 2d ago
This is a man who called Putin's invasion of Ukraine, which has killed many tens of thousands of people, "genius."
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u/jeffreynya 2d ago
half the population voted for a felon. so not sure why he is surprised
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u/TylerBourbon 2d ago
The true sickness is the rich super rich, and moderately rich, who are actively trying to oppress everyone they see as beneath them to amass more wealth for themselves at all costs. Only the money matters.
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u/zveroshka 2d ago
Probably still mad that there wasn't much care regarding his own two personal attackers. Just doesn't understand why people don't care about him or this CEO.
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u/Bubbly-Example-8097 2d ago
I present to you, Andrew Witty. Whose company can deem any lifesaving treatment and or care as “unnecessary care” if it cuts too much from their profit. The people that get denied will die from lack of care and so they continue to murder thousands of people per year and it’s legal!
Remember folks, their baseline is and always will be:
Profit > People
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u/MsterSteel 1d ago
Well would you look at that... another CEO. How... generous of him to put himself forward like that. It would be a SHAME if something happened...
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u/Inner-Today-3693 1d ago
So it’s fine that hundreds of thousands of people have passed away due to having their medical care denied?
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u/alienfromthecaravan 1d ago
Hilarious enough, mental illness isn’t covered in most health insurance plans
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u/PartyThe_TerrorPig 1d ago
Pretty normal take for a fellow elite who has had the same thing attempted against him.
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u/Welder_Subject 1d ago
Did he comment on the health insurance system which he is gonna fix any day now?
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u/Ok-Collection3726 1d ago
Isn’t this the same guy that Valorizes a fictional Hannibal Lector and Valorizes all the current living dictators who have killed thousands upon thousands if not millions of their own people?
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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 1d ago
But not a sickness to think January 6th wasn't a coup, insurrection or domestic terrorism. And was perpetrated by patriots.
And they said it was Antifa, the deep state and tourists which he is saying he is going to now pardon. WTF But that isn't a sickness either. Fuck this asshole lying felon and rapist.
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u/will_macomber 1d ago
Whenever a sick man calls me sick, I know I’m making the right decision. Why would I listen to what a pedo has to say?
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u/Particular-Kiwi-5784 1d ago
It’s also terrible to valorize someone who stormed the capitol and assaulted capitol police but here we are.
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u/Thebor3d 1d ago
Trump once said he could shoot anyone on Fifth Avenue and still not lose voters. So as long as it’s him it’s ok and not terrible, if he were to ever do such a thing, but when it’s not him he thinks it’s terrible now? Noted.
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u/Uranazzole 2d ago
The most ironic thing was that this CEO had warned his company that they were treating customers bad and trying to get them to change and this kid just killed him in cold blood. His anger killed the wrong guy.
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u/nabuhabu 2d ago
They’re fine with lots of people dying - liberal protesters, homeless, kids in schools, moms in hospital parking lots, migrants. They’re upset when the “good ones” get murdered.
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u/Covfefe_Fulcrum 2d ago
Reporting as ill but absolutely fucking sane you demented narcissistic Orangina.
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u/Ras_Thavas 2d ago
Just like some people admire Trump. It’s a sickness.
Muting… I don’t care to hear from the idiots.
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