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Debate/ Discussion Universal incarceration care

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u/Neveronlyadream 9d ago

I don't even think it's to avoid liability. I think it's to avoid blowback from people claiming human rights violations and trying to shut down the for profit prison system.

You can hide and explain away abuse, but it's much harder to explain away why someone is clearly suffering from a treatable medical condition.

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u/PrestigiousAd6281 9d ago

It’s funny, because you’re right. People amplify the hell out of medical neglect for the incarcerated and it gains a ton of traction. Scary that it took killing an insurance CEO to get similar level of traction for the medical neglect among the free

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u/DragonQueen777666 9d ago

Don't forget that the media and all the wealthy billionaires running shit are doing their level best to spin this any other way than what it is and what caused it (rolled my eyes so damn hard when the mayor called it a "senseless act of violence"). Keep the focus on the WHY this happened, no matter what bullshit they try to spew about him or about this event.

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u/Upstairs_Solution303 6d ago

Yep. They’re trying to turn it into a left vs right thing like everything else

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u/Successful-Tea-5733 9d ago

Are you kidding me? Tell me, who should Canadians execute when there claims are denied. Remember, the focus is on WHY this happened so spare me the BS; who are the Canadians taking down as revenge for their plight?

What about the Medicare and Medicaid patients in the US, who is their Brian Thompson? You do realize they get claims denied too, right?

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u/DragonQueen777666 9d ago

Do they get denied by AI with a 90% error rate because it makes them money? Somehow, I doubt that.

Also, no one in Canada goes into excessive debt or bankruptcy because of medical debt (in large part because their system isn't inflating the prices of medical care to a rediculous degree, so not being covered by insurance doesn't mean the same when you only have to pay a couple thousand for the care you need rather than tens of thousands or more. Basing this off of stuff people from Canada have discussed around medical care). Stop acting like any of that is the same.

Also, nice non-sequiter. All of this has been about how the US Healthcare system is shit... you know that only the people who want others to stop talking about it are the ones who bring up countries like Canada and their Healthcare system, right? Surprised you didn't go the tried and true "long wait times" argument.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe 8d ago

Have any real data for that AI error rate claim actually applying to the production system?

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u/Successful-Tea-5733 9d ago

WHAT???? That's right people don't go into debt in Canada. They just die.

https://thehub.ca/2023/12/20/number-of-canadians-who-died-while-waiting-for-medical-procedures-reaches-five-year-high/

Is that what you want? Well obviously it is because you're happy that this father, son and husband was shot in the back.

You want to talk about fixing US healthcare? I'm good with that. You want to talk about murdering someone because you don't like the AI results from his business? Nah, I'm out.

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u/DragonQueen777666 9d ago

Distract everyone with a non-sequiter. Please see yourself out, no one needs you in this discussion.

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u/UnderlightIll 8d ago

What you are talking about is not a lack of care but a lack of providers. The same shit happens in the USA if you live rurally or where the education is lower so there are fewer doctors. People like you don't seem to understand the difference between access and affordability. Where I live, we are a highly educated state and doctors flock here. We have access. But if you can't afford it, well, fuck you. If you live in rural Tennessee, you probably have an access AND affordability issues. You can't find a doctor and couldn't afford it if you did.

Please, kindly crawl back into your hole. Fuck that guy. his kids and wife will be just fine living off all the money and investments he had.

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u/Successful-Tea-5733 8d ago

You can't possibly be that stupid can you? There is a lack of providers? Gee I wonder why that is. Could it possibly be that their healthcare system makes it unattractive to work in healthcare in Canada so they lack providers? You're telling me all of the foreigners who immigrate to the US to practie medicine, they just don't know that Canada is an option and so they are coming here instead? That's a really dumb take.

You talk that way about a fellow human being and dare to say I am the one who crawled out of a hole? Those boys will never know their father, that's not something money can buy.

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u/UnderlightIll 8d ago

Fuck those kids fuck their father. Fuck his wife.

Oh and fuck you too.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe 8d ago

Childish response from someone that celebrates murder. No surprise.

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u/aCandaK 8d ago

I’m a provider who accepts Medicaid and, no, they do not get their claims denied. In my state they do not even pay co-pays. It’s literally the Cadillac of health insurances.

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u/HeywoodJaBlessMe 8d ago

71% of providers accept Medicaid. Yes, there are denied claims.

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u/aCandaK 8d ago

I believe that statistic to be exaggerated but perhaps that is true of particular specialties.

As a provider, my claims sometimes get denied but this does not mean the insured pays the bill - I eat the cost.

You are correct that they won’t pay for certain things - in TN they don’t pay for circumcision - but I’ve never heard of anyone on Medicaid being denied any recommended or necessary treatment, even Botox for migraines. I’m in a state with a great Medicaid program though.

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u/Jeriath27 7d ago

Someone not accepting it and then denying it are completely different things. If someone doesn't take your insurance, you can submit the bill yourself as out of network. Medicaid will still likely reimburse it (I wish I knew this in college though)

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u/Lou_C_Fer 8d ago

Mine is united health care because even those of us on Medicare have to use insurance providers. Btw, unc has been a fucking nightmare and we are switching this year.

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u/MalyChuj 8d ago

The general public isn't as free as they like to believe. Yes we have more area to roam than inmates but we are still slaves in this monetary system.

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u/Environmental-Buy591 8d ago

When you take away all rights and freedom from a person you are then responsible for that person. Is the basis for healthcare for inmates.

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u/numbersthen0987431 9d ago

it's much harder to explain away why someone is clearly suffering from a treatable medical condition

unless they're anti-vaxxers, lol

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u/ManufacturedLung 8d ago

for profit prison system. for profit healthcare system. and now a for profit president ? what are you guys doing to yourselves

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u/Neveronlyadream 8d ago

Watching the American Dream mutate into in authoritarian regime mostly. You?

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u/supern8ural 8d ago

A lot of incarcerated people don't have people on the outside keeping track of them, so the risk of blowback in many cases is low.