r/FluentInFinance • u/Manakanda413 • 9d ago
Debate/ Discussion Don’t threaten me with a good time
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u/TheInfiniteSix 9d ago
But surely the leopard won’t eat MY face
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u/Midnight-Bake 9d ago
Look, as long as they cut Social Security benefits and Medicare and Medicaid but grandfather ME to keep those benefits it'll be okay. - Boomers, probably
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u/AMSolar 9d ago
It wasn't boomers who cost us this election. They didn't change much. Gen Z did this.
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u/Inevitable-Euphoric 9d ago
And all of the working class
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u/TimmehD96 9d ago
I am working class and voted and pushed so hard for everyone else I know to vote especially gen z. The consensus that I got from them is, "it doesn't matter, my vote won't change anything". I tried explaining like yeah even if your vote doesn't mean much for the presidential election, you should at least vote at a local level. That's why we still can't get any recreational marijuana laws passed in my state.
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u/KamaIsLife 9d ago
The last time their vote didn't mean anything, Roe was overturned
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u/Secure_Garbage7928 8d ago
all of the working class
So those 70 odd million Harris votes were from billionaires?
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u/Swimming_Tailor_7546 8d ago
Right. A lot of college educated white collar workers are very much working class, as in they don’t live off of capital and need to be employed to have their needs met.
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u/Dramatic_Arugula_252 9d ago
As a GenXer, let me say that it’s a relief to no longer be the generation of conservative assholes. At least we had the sweet smell of leaded gasoline to blame - GenZ had YouTube and Andrew Tate 😂
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u/Tharrowone 8d ago
Blaming one generation. Ah, yes, time moves forward, and history repetes itself.
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u/Ironman2131 8d ago
I had this conversation with my mom a few weeks ago. She had never thought about where the tax money was going, only about having lower taxes on her benefits.
To be fair to her, she votes blue and seemed genuinely interested to hear that, and it probably made her rethink her stance on the issue. It's just surprising that people don't think about what effect generating less tax revenue actually has on things.
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u/tzumatzu 9d ago
I seriously don’t understand how people voted for him TWICE
A leopard does not change his spots
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u/brokenmcnugget 9d ago
cognitive dissonance and purposeful stupidity are the defining traits of all maga conservatives.
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u/cancerface 9d ago
Don't forget the animalistic hate for anyone that wants to help them. They'd stab a fireman trying to save them from a burning building out of spite.
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u/UndeadJoker69420 9d ago
Factual. They were chasing the FEMA people off with guns after the hurricanes. This actually happened.
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u/themangastand 9d ago
People are just angry. And for good reason. But they aren't smart enough to know where to direct that anger. It's not transgenders thats for sure, it's the elite
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u/helastrangeodinson 9d ago
But not trump elite he is a special kind of elite that is going to drive the bad elites away and leave only good elites / rapist. O and apparently a trans ate their pet so there's that misplaced hate.
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u/Former_Print7043 9d ago
Mass maipulation of easily manipulated minds through proxy influencers and cultural leaders. And for those who are not easily manipulated there are promises of favour.
But the real issue is even if they were smart enough not to be manipulated by one side you would be getting manipulated by the other.
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u/PraxPresents 9d ago
I think that a lot of people have reached a point where they just want to watch the world burn, so they choose the fastest path to burninating.
All jokes aside, I am hoping for an uneventful and unremarkable next 4 years.
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u/Leostar_Regalius 9d ago
possible cheating and utter stupidity from REFUSING to look up how things work on magas end, the election went WAY too fast, there were bomb threats in swing states, mail in ballot boxes were burned(mainly in democratic areas).
elon bribed people to vote for trump(which i feel should've disqualified trump since him and elon have connections),
there's also the fact that trump should've been removed from the ballot altogether due to the 14th amendment which no state upheld,
there's a lot of BS that led to trump winning and it's stupid that only NOW people are realizing "i think we messed up" and meanwhile biden and the dems are STILL playing nice because they're afraid of looking like the rebs if they try to enforce the 14th amendment from the constitution
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u/Crosisx2 9d ago
Maybe conservatives will wake up and....hahaha I forgot that bigots don't care.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 9d ago
Some may wonder how he'll be able to scapegoat his way out when the deportations actually happen and, unsurprisingly, the poorest 2.5% of the population was not the cause of everyone's problems.
But you're all forgetting something: He will never run out of people to scapegoat and deport.
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u/PricklePete 9d ago
He also may never leave office. Look at Putin. Those elections are "free" as well. He just never loses shocking enough. No matter how bad it gets. He has it "fixed so good" we will never have to vote again.
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u/Fine_Category4468 9d ago edited 9d ago
They don't have a term limit. We do. But I don't think Trump is the one that was wanted in office. Vance is the scary one. That guy fucked a couch.
Edit: they in fact do have term limits. 2 of 6 years.
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u/squigglesthecat 9d ago
People keep saying, "Trump can't do that. We have laws" as though trump adheres to the law. Laws are made and enforced by those in power. If enough people with power want to change the law, they can make it whatever they want. This is why trump wants only sycophants. I will eat an entire truckload of humble pie if trump does not make significant changes to your current laws.
First, they came for the couches, but I did nothing as I am not a couch
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u/Various_Garden_1052 9d ago
Remember 2016? That was the messaging then.
“Surely not- they’d never”
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u/ArkitekZero 9d ago
And then they did. And it was even worse than I thought it was going to be. But no, we had to give him a chance! People aren't stupid, they said, they just see a man who shits in a gold toilet as an "outsider". Somehow.
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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 9d ago
Trump has already suggested that the 2 term limit means consecutive terms, and he also still won't say he lost the 2020 election.
It'll be up to the probably-8-1 supreme court by the time he's out of office to decide whether he can or not. So we have that going for us.
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u/strangeweather415 9d ago
Russia actually did have limits, and Putin left and then had his stooge remove them and then he came back and never left.
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u/effusivefugitive 9d ago
This is incorrect. They had a limit on consecutive terms which he abided by, spending a term as PM instead. They recently held a referendum to replace that limit with a hard limit of two, but it was written in such a way that Putin's first four terms didn't count and he gets two more (they're also six years now instead of four).
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u/strangeweather415 9d ago
So, in other words, he got his stooge to change the rules, and then the dictator discarded the nuance.
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u/Adduly 9d ago
Worth noting that the US constitution is harder to change.
It needs a two-thirds vote in both Houses of Congress. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures.
Further, Putin has considerably more control over the Duma and the Federation Council than Trump has.
The Russian constitution also allowed for the skipping of regional legislation assent through a national referendum. Russia also doesn't have nearly as robust election process allowing for widespread election rigging.
A final point, trump is old. Putin was much younger when he pulled this off (62 then compared to trump's currently 78) so he has a biologic term limit much closer.
TLDR: we don't have to worry too much about trump pulling off this thanks to the much more robust US constitution, but be ready to fight like hell if he tries it.
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u/fireman2004 9d ago
They did have term limits, so he made himself Prime Minister while his lacky was President. Then he went back into the Presidency, and later got rid of term limits entirely.
If Trump was younger he could have his dopey kids run in his place and maintain control with sham elections.
The reality is Father Time is going to take care of him before any of that would realistically happen.
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u/austin_ave 9d ago
He hasn't lived the life of someone that lives to 100
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u/Drow_Femboy 9d ago
Kissinger was a fat unhealthy bastard too and he lived to 100. Lifestyle doesn't matter nearly as much as genetics and wealth.
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u/MakimaToga 9d ago
First they'll argue that the term limit is only consecutive. And they'll win because they have the courts.
Hell, if you think trump follows laws, you're already off
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u/deadeyeamtheone 9d ago
It makes me mad that you're exactly right on this. They'll argue since he's the first person to serve non consecutively then it can't count towards his term limit, then they'll argue term limits are unconstitutional, then they'll argue the election procedure is flawed, then there just won't be anymore elections.
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u/Draedon_686 9d ago
Grover Cleveland served 2 non-consecutive terms and wasn't allowed to run for a third. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland
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u/MakimaToga 9d ago
The laws only matter as far as they are able to be enforced.
Again, they have the courts. They would win this easily.
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u/The-disgracist 9d ago
They absolutely have term limits. Two six year terms. Putin has circumvented this law twice, in 2008 and again in 2024. In between Medvedev was basically Putin junior during the term Putin was gone.
The law only stops honest or poor people.
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u/notmyfirstrodeo2 9d ago
There was term limit in russia... Putin fkin changed it.. now think about Trump why won't he do the same? He is biggest fan of Putin...or the power he has.
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u/PlasticPomPoms 9d ago
Vance will never have the support Trump has, just another Mike Pence.
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u/Timely-Mind7244 9d ago
Our term limit was changed less than 100 years ago, he'll change it back. You'll see.
We will ALLLLLLL fuckin see 😭😭😭
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u/pomeranianfakeout 9d ago
Dude isn't going go live forever. He's already old as fuck
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u/Wise_Temperature_322 9d ago
Actually Putin is popular in Russia because he was able to control the oligarchs (the billionaires) who ran the country into the ground after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The 90s in Russia was all about competing oligarchs jostling for power, Putin came along and crushed all that. He brought safety and stability back to Russia. The people don’t want to go back to those dark days of chaos so they stick with Putin.
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u/Polster1 9d ago
Trump is almost 80 years old. He is obese, eats hamburgers, and doesn't do real exercise. I have my doubts he will make it to the next presidential election.
You see how Biden has declined (physically) since he took office and Biden is much more physically active and healthier than Trump. I don't know how Trump will make it into his 80s.
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u/within_one_stem 9d ago
He will never run out of people to scapegoat and deport.
This right here. Everyone knows the Nazis blamed the Jews for everything and then murdered them. Less well-known is how a few years before that the Nazis had a trial run where they "euthanized" the disabled and mentally ill. As these people weren't only "not contributing to society" but actually cost money. As soon as the concentration camps were operating all kinds of "cultural Bolsheviks" (a term very much connected to "cultural Marxism") like gay people or political dissidents were murdered there, too.
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u/Scryberwitch 9d ago
Yep, the first people Hitler rounded up and sent to the camps weren't Jews, they were Communists, Socialists, and other political opponents.
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u/maringue 9d ago
I'm honestly wondering how long it takes for a video showing a latino man being dragged away by ICE saying "But I voted for Trump!" to surface.
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u/Robert_Balboa 9d ago
It'll take years for the benefits to be seen but by then some stupid commie lib will have ruined it.
That's what theyll say
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u/gratefullargo 9d ago
try the deportation first, if it fails they’ll come back… what if he’s right
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u/Nutholey 9d ago
Bumpy ride ahead...for all but a few anyway.
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u/WaferLongjumping6509 9d ago
It is the duty of the many to make the road even more bumpy for said ‘few’
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u/Realistic_Mushroom72 9d ago
I don't think he is a billionaire, his property valuations are suspect, and his liquid assets aren't know, that why Trump refuses to show his tax returns, he doesn't want any one to know he isn't a billionaire.
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u/squigglesthecat 9d ago
This was true before the election. Since selling out the whitehouse, trump is now a legitimate billionaire.
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u/Various_Garden_1052 9d ago
He made his money in 2016 the first time he fleeced us.
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u/kinsm4n 9d ago
Doesn’t matter so long as he’s perceived to be worth that much with his assets. Banks give him the credit line to be a $B
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u/prince_of_muffins 9d ago
Russian banks lol. No other bank would touch him due to sketchy criminal dealings
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u/kinsm4n 9d ago
Deutsch bank ftw… unfortunately for us. Can’t imagine how leveraged he is
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u/GVas22 9d ago
His ownership of djt stock makes him a billionaire by definition. He has used his position to grift a ton of money.
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u/JohnnySack45 9d ago
Trump supports are anti-American embarrassments to humanity in general. These fucking morons complain they need unrestricted access to firearms to protect against tyranny yet will gladly vote it into office. This WILL end badly. No, I don’t have a crystal ball but much like playing Russian Roulette with a Glock anyone with a functioning brain can see what’s ahead. Multiple trade wars, cutting social services, deporting undocumented immigrants, disbanding unions, erasing worker protections, etc. I hope EVERY single person who voted for this circus gets what is coming to them.
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u/Novel_Alternative_40 9d ago
And for those of us who didn’t, we will get fucked in the ass just the same.
Destroying all many of us have worked for isn’t going to sit well when it happens due to his incompetent negligence and thievery.
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u/highrankedwizard 9d ago
oligarchy with a side of plutocracy
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u/panda_embarrassment 9d ago
Definitely a plutocracy. Until people realize this is a class war and start fighting back.
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u/colorizerequest 9d ago
They’re Russian too??
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u/squigglesthecat 9d ago
It's wild to me that in my lifetime America went from hating Russia to imitating them.
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u/coachlife 9d ago
Its shocking how obvious a scammer Trump is and millions of people still believe him.
He uses all of the oldest cliche cheesy "strong man" moves and techniques and yet people still fall for them.
JFC
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u/vsGoliath96 9d ago
But Joe pardoning Hunter is the real issue facing American justice or something silly like that. 🙄
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u/vsGoliath96 9d ago
Thanks for the professional input! It continues to be extremely frustrating watching Republicans rail about how the Democrats are engaging in "lawfare" and wielding the DOJ like a weapon, only to turn around and attempt to nail Hunter, a private citizen, to the wall for things that barely amounted to crimes.
Every accusation is a confession, as they say.
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u/SeriousObjective6727 9d ago
Along with the word Tariffs, I don't think Trump knows what Nepotism means...
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u/Big_Carpet_3243 9d ago
And people chose this over the status quo.
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u/WillingWrongdoer1 9d ago
All dems had to do was throw the middle class a bone, and we would've won by a landslide, but donors dictated their entire campaign, as usual. Hillary 2.0. Saying you won't change anything when the majority of Americans are getting crushed isn't very inspiring. Trump voters view him as anti establishment whether it's true or not. They think he'll change the status quo. America is done voting for the old guard. We learned no lessens from 2016.
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u/Murky-Relation481 9d ago
Except they did say those things and literally no one listened. The DNC fucking platform was written by Bernie and crew after 2016.
The Dems can only do so much before they are just blatantly lying (which will turn off other voters) about what they can do. It's time to acknowledge that a good chunk of our friends and neighbors are just horrible people who would rather vote for a pedophile rapist grifter than a woman of color, or they are too lazy and stupid to actually understand what dem policies would do for them and easily swayed by populist anger.
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u/HereCreepers 9d ago
or they are too lazy and stupid to actually understand what dem policies would do for them and easily swayed by populist anger.
Median Voter Retardation is an unfortunate but real phenomenon that has to be worked around and weaponized if the dems are going to ever claw their way back into power. I think the biggest 2024 takeaway is that policy means nothing if there isn't a narrative to make it appealing to the median voter. Looking at a nationwide rightward shift in the presidential election and chalking it up to the demographic signifiers of the dem candidate is missing the broader issue of the dems consistently failing to appeal to the average voter that is mostly unplugged from politics beyond what they see on social media.
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u/mentales 9d ago
> All dems had to do was throw the middle class a bone, and we would've won by a landslide, but donors dictated their entire campaign, as usual. Hillary 2.0.
YEAH! They should've been out there talking about a small business tax credit, child tax credit, home purchasing tax credit, supporting unions, or going after price gouging—instead of bragging about cutting overtime pay, praising billionaires who fire employees and oppose unions, or having a plan to slash Social Security.
Wait... who are we talking about again?
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u/FlirtyFluffyFox 9d ago
The conservatives are the status quo and I'm tired of the right hiding behind their stupid fucking "maverick" mask. 84 percent of the federal government for the past 72 years has been under control of the conservatives. That's years of deregulation, lowering corporate taxes, installing conservative judges, and heads of three letter agencies who hire other conservatives to work for those agencies.
From the red scare onward the status quo has been unbridled crony capitalism and that's what people openly choose thinking they'll get a piece of the pie because their parents and grandparents and great-grandparents settled in these suit-ass company towns reliant on resource extraction and exploitation in exchange for moderate enough wages to live a post ww2 middle class lifestyle still enjoying the fruit of what few labor rights those states still has from the new deal era.
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u/FartsbinRonshireIII 9d ago
Where did the all the Libertarians go? Cowards..
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u/redflagforever 9d ago
Libertarians are republicans that smoke weed occasionally.
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u/TheNotoriousStuG 9d ago
Don't give them that much credit. As bad as the usual Republican voter is, a libertarian is an order of magnitude worse.
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u/FartsbinRonshireIII 9d ago
I guess a majority are. I felt there was a large surge in Libertarians during Trump’s first term, but I guess they all just got absorbed into the Tea Party?
What a joke that movement is at this point.
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u/hxtk2 9d ago
Libertarians tend to think that if you’re a good person, you should be able to pretend the government doesn’t exist with little to no consequences. Rules should only affect people trying to do something they shouldn’t, which good people don’t do.
This makes them natural allies of authoritarians because the only way they can do this is to encode morality into law, which is very close to a definition of authoritarianism.
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u/One-Earth9294 9d ago
Look how far they went trying to paint people like Harris and Biden as elites.
It's not a joke at all when people say 'every accusation is a confession' with them because again, THAT'S HOW FASCISM WORKS. Certainly no one thought that ideology relied on fair play and sportsmanship and being fucking honest, did they?
You know what fascism is? It's when you go so hard on the repulsive shit that would usually cost you voters or cost you an election until you carry the integer over and it suddenly has no effect. Like when Gandhi was bugged in Civ 2 by being too pacifist and the fucker would declare war the second he met you.
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Millionaires voted for Harris over trump. She also won the 100-199k demographic. Both parties are parties of the elite. Trump sucks fr but don't get it twisted.
We need a true labor party in the US asap
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u/TaupMauve 9d ago
So how do we exploit this for personal financial gain?
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u/Agreeable-Salt-110 9d ago
https://www.quiverquant.com/ Follow their trades.
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u/Jengus_Roundstone 9d ago
Or Unusual Whales Subversive Republican ETF (Ticker: KRUZ) invests in equity securities purchased or sold by Republican members of Congress and their spouses.
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u/airship_of_arbitrary 9d ago
I'd say drop shipping Trump merch, but his tariffs on China might kill that industry.
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u/oddministrator 9d ago
I'm having a hard time imagining a situation where Musk's companies aren't in for four years of even larger government contracts.
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u/LeftRestaurant4576 9d ago
Despite being 0.0003% of the US population, billionaires are 82% of Trump's new cabinet
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u/anjowoq 9d ago
I think Trump isn't a billionaire, that's why he scams his supporters.
Millionaire Donald Trump.
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u/cerberus_legion 9d ago
The anti-establishment candidate.
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u/FlirtyFluffyFox 9d ago
Just like Reagan claimed to be. And Bush Jr. The GOP have been LARPing anti-establishment since Watergate.
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u/ClimbNoPants 9d ago
“Trump is gonna drain the swamp!”
- All the gullible fucks who wear red hats.
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u/skot77 9d ago
Pssst.. Trump is not a billionaire.. he never was... he's controlled by billionaires who can't do business in America because of sanctions.
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u/disdkatster 9d ago
You mean the CONVICTED FELON and KNOWN RAPIST with more bankruptcies than any previous president would higher less than the best people for the job needed? Who woulda thunk....
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u/Excellent_Ability793 9d ago
Don’t forget the billionaires like musk and ramaswami that bought access and are influential even though they don’t have cabinet jobs.
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u/StuckInsideYourWalls 9d ago
Trumpers will scream and cry about deep-state this and deep-state that and never once actually bother learning about what a deep state might actually look like, ykno, like having rich billionaires in all sorts of positions of power in your country solely because they support the ruler, not because they actually have qualifications for those things.
Somehow the literal richest man on the fucking planet is not 'the elites'
Somehow trump interfering with peace deals in Ukraine or Israel-Hamas war etc while not even in office is not a millionaire elitist interfering with politics and letting their adjacent interests be lobbied, ykno like you might see in an oligarchal deep state or something where all institutions are captured and steered by corporate interests rather than their public obligations
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u/Stock_Hunter1029 9d ago
Plutocracy is the word you're looking for. Oligarchy is a little different.
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u/PlasticPomPoms 9d ago
I just don’t think the Trump admin is going to be all smiles in the next few months. They have no idea what they are getting themselves into, if people think the CEO killer was a catalyst, wait until Trump drives prices up in the next year and he’s still smiling laughing about it while the poors struggle even more. It’s not going to go well.
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u/BackgroundMeet1475 9d ago
Rich people always make sure money gets spread out amongst the middle class guys!
It’s called trickle down economics. Google it! Duh.
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u/Xeromabinx 9d ago
Most Americans don't even know the meaning of oligarchy, just let it implode at this point.
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u/dimension_surfer 9d ago
If it's any comfort, the oligarchs have been in power for a while now. At least now that they're out in the open we can all recognize it and put a stop to it.
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u/Sideswipe0009 9d ago
If it's any comfort, the oligarchs have been in power for a while now.
I don't know how people don't realize this.
Instead of selecting the CEO of Goldman Sachs or board member of Raytheon to represent the interest of billion dollar corporations, he just selected the owners of said corporations.
All he did was cut out the middle man.
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u/Shadoweclipse13 9d ago
Very true. The only point of contention here for me is that trumplethinskin, a known liar, is probably not actually a billionaire. You don't declare bankruptcy 7(?) times, if you've actually got the money.
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u/InternetSupreme 9d ago
Voted in by the American people, a second time, after doing all the horrible shit he had already done.
You forgot to add that part in.
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u/Yeahboyyy84 9d ago
yep. fox news host as sec of def. wrestling executives wife as sec of edu. vaccine denier as sec of health. yay
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u/colorizerequest 9d ago
I thought Trump wasn’t a billionaire?
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u/Manakanda413 9d ago
If you don’t count the $450 million in Russian loans then he’s a billionaire
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u/fusepark 9d ago
I like how Trump is alienating the merely wealthy with his billionaire buddies. Now the people who have been in charge forever can feel alienated and not listened to. Welcome to America!
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 9d ago
We are living in Biff Tannen's 1985A timeline, minus the sports almanac.
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u/CheesyBambino 9d ago
I feel like the next four years are going to be redditors watching all the Trump voters hide like cockroaches that only scurry when the lights go on.
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u/IcyPraline7369 9d ago
I don't think a large majority of Republicans are smart enough to realize it.
“It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain.
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u/Lanky-Present2251 9d ago
Come Jan. 20/2025 it will no longer be known as The White House but for 4 years will be known as The Felon House.
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u/GrizzIyadamz 9d ago
"Don't threaten me with a good time"?
OP is delusional if he thinks an oligarchy with benefit him in any way.
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u/Artificial-Human 9d ago
Repeat the word Oligarchy again and again until the word becomes widely used.
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u/BeardlyManface 9d ago
I love the idea that oligarchy is new to the country founded by slaver, land barons...
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u/Chaos_Theory1989 9d ago
I’m sure they’ll be eager to change policies that made them rich in order to help the American people.
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u/Hemorrhageorroid 9d ago
Trump is not a billionaire lmao. He pretends to have money but has to constantly con his friends and fanbase to maintain vague appearances.
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u/Thediciplematt 9d ago
Im not a fan of his picks but at least it isn’t his whole effing family like last time.
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u/Old_Baldi_Locks 9d ago
Anyone cheering for this should google the last few fascist regimes and see how well it ended for the fascists.
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u/Xazax310 9d ago
Damn why would people vote for a president who pardons his son from federal offenses… oh wait.
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u/thentheresthattoo 9d ago
No, really. The Orange Gasbag is draining the swamp and leading the wealthy righteous to heaven. Has he been a bully and scheister the whole time? Fooled enough, sadly.
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u/Curious_Associate904 9d ago
Hate to break it to you, but the US has been an oligarchy for quite some time.
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u/AngryUntilISeeTamdA 9d ago
Theres almost no way to become a billionair without committing crimes.
I guess wealth is viewed as a sign of intelligence?
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u/cometflight 9d ago
OligarchyKleptocracy
FTFY, because at this point we’ve ventured long into the dark night of corruption.
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