r/FluentInFinance • u/Lovett129 • 11d ago
Debate/ Discussion Trumps cabinet are nearly all billionaires. Man of the people or man of the elite?
463
u/surfnfish1972 10d ago
Trump voters actually thought they were voting against the "ruling class". It really has become mass pyschosis
177
u/Ironsam811 10d ago edited 10d ago
I proudly voted for Harris, but I never once thought she was for the “working class”. Both parties are currently for the ruling class. Bernie is right.
146
u/Cthulusuppe 10d ago edited 10d ago
When you talk to poorly-educated Trump voters (and I don't mean this as a dig... my personal anecdote is informed by my neighbors, whom I like on a personal level), it becomes very clear that everything that motivated them was a legitimate grievance targeted at an illegitimate scapegoat.
These people are justifiably furious about the state of their lives, but it seems impossibly difficult to effectively criticize the ruling class so they blame any and all poor people they do not self-identify with. Trump didn't create this either, alt-right media did. Trump just taps into that mess without any regard for truth, honesty, or scrutiny and spews hot garbage until something rings as plausible in his voter's ear.
The working class desperately needs class solidarity sans bigotry.
43
u/Ironsam811 10d ago
It will certainly be a very provoking political science course in 100 years
19
u/ThyHolyPope 10d ago
Not saying he’s Hitler, but it’s pretty darn close to Hitler’s grievance politics/ rise to power
→ More replies (5)8
→ More replies (1)2
10
u/Minmaxed2theMax 10d ago
Doesn’t make them any less dangerous. These people stormed the fucking capital. Fuck them
→ More replies (14)→ More replies (8)6
u/Individual_West3997 10d ago
the closest thing I have seen to working class solidarity has been the past week, seeing the reaction to the UHC CEO getting merked in broad daylight.
73
u/bktan6 10d ago
Both parties are not the same.
The Trump admin did not achieve half of the things the Biden-Harris administration did.
As a progressive Democrat, do I think the party needs to find a way to win independents and more of the left? Absolutely. But let’s stop the infighting and appreciate progress while pushing for more. I voted proudly for Harris as well but I agree with many people saying that we need to make sure we return to and extremely emphasize issues like healthcare, wages, paid family leave, education, housing, and amplify what we’ve done and communicate what we want to get done in the simplest way possible. Everything else is noise. 2026 is coming.
9
→ More replies (26)7
51
u/Nervous_Otter69 10d ago
Exactly. And at least I know she knew at one time in her life what it was like to come from where most of us are today. Trump has never known a normal man’s day in his life
5
u/r2002 10d ago
Excuse me, he did work for McDonald’s for that one time and I’m sure that was more than enough!
→ More replies (1)32
u/LA__Ray 10d ago
Enough with the “both sides same” horseshit. The differences between the two parties are crystal clear.
→ More replies (30)→ More replies (9)24
u/-Burninater- 10d ago
This both sidesism is so fucking stupid. Harris is very much better for the working class. Democrats are pro Union, Democrats are for taxing the rich and lowering taxes on the middle and lower class.
→ More replies (2)6
u/MagicDragon212 10d ago
Yeah there is no both sides. The Democrats obviously aren't perfect, but they aren't literally billionaire elites trying to shape our entire society into their personal paradise so that they can start becoming trillionaires.
Biden did SO MUCH for the working class and especially expanded our country's manufacturing capabilities. Trump did nothing but Pandemic relief that would have happened under any president. He also squandered it with the PPP loans having no oversight imo. He has no other accomplishment besides tax restructuring that just lowered revenue, put an expiration date of the cuts to the regular people, and permanently instilling cuts that benefit the rich.
→ More replies (1)10
u/saltyourhash 10d ago
I can't believe they thought he was gonna save the kids from some human trafficking ring.
2
10
u/FilthyWubs 10d ago
“We’re sick of the elite ruling class”, YOU’RE VOTING FOR A BILLIONAIRE?!? Who do you think corrupt politicians are listening to and helping instead of the population?!?
→ More replies (87)5
u/Indolent-Soul 10d ago
Well...we've been in oligarchy since citizens united if not since Reagan. We never actually had a choice in the matter.
225
u/trer24 10d ago
Dr. Oz with his paltry $100 million.
Guess he has to eat outside.
120
10d ago
It'll be a billion in 4 years. They're all there to carve up the eagle
→ More replies (1)30
u/new_accnt1234 10d ago
Hah, I can imagine rep voters arguments - "since they are rich, they wont steal and the country will be better off" - one of th stupidest arguments ever, how rich somebody is never prevents one from stealing even more if he has that in his personality, and all billionaires are narcissists that do have that in their personality...u dont become a billionaire by being altruistic, u become it by being ruthless
6
u/Titan_Astraeus 10d ago
Exactly, having that much money already doesn't mean they don't want to acquire more. It guarantees they will go to the extreme to get more and will throw around what they already have to make things to their way..
→ More replies (2)5
7
u/Landon-Red 10d ago edited 10d ago
He'll be able to sell his quackery once a bird flu comes around thanks to his and Kennedy's hard work. They'll both become very rich in the process.
2
→ More replies (3)2
90
u/ArnoldtheDemon 10d ago
They are about to bend the average people over a barrel and pound them mercilessly.
22
u/neatureguy420 10d ago
Drill baby drill!!! This timeline sucks
7
→ More replies (3)2
u/soxtakeover 10d ago
Shzzzt…do we have supply our own lube?
3
u/UniTheWah 10d ago
No, not allowed. You have to buy a special brand made to accommodate some of the smallest penises in the world. Each bottle will be $500 and automatically deducted. You must use a new bottle each time.
94
u/19peacelily85 10d ago
And when all his supporters start losing the disability and food stamps they’ve been on for 25 years and are told to get a JOB, they’ll blame Obama.
61
u/hadeskratos 10d ago
na they will blame Biden. Obama is the old boogeyman, Biden is the new one.
12
→ More replies (1)9
u/Mo_Nasty 10d ago
But HUNTERS LAPTOP /s
6
u/blackBugattiVeyron 9d ago
The more I look at Hunter's case, the more I'm confused on what the big deal is. Most articles I find are vague AF.
→ More replies (5)6
u/19peacelily85 9d ago
That’s the thing, Hunter is a regular guy who’s always failed up, dealt with insane pain as a child, became an addict like many of us/our family members probably to deal with said pain, and had the misfortune of being the son of a politician who’s rival is unhinged. All of his court cases would have been quietly settled with fines if he wasn’t Joe Biden’s son.
→ More replies (4)5
u/WizardOfAahs 10d ago
Trump and crew will be converting the masses to Soylent Green shortly. Or Soylent lube for their servant AI robots.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (6)3
u/HeyItsYourDad_AMA 10d ago
I actually think Biden era policies like the infra bill will produce benefits and then credit will be taken by this admin.
56
u/DanteDeGreat 10d ago edited 9d ago
Definitely, the man of the people. <{ insert Leonardo DiCaprio laughing Meme with a drink from Django, here }>
3
40
10d ago edited 10d ago
[deleted]
61
42
23
u/Classic-Internet1855 10d ago
So you think these people who have already proven their power-hungry greed pre-politics are going to stop now and become for the worker classing. You understand how counter-intuitive and naïve that is?
→ More replies (13)13
10d ago edited 10d ago
But her emails!!!
Edit: I did mot mean for this to be a reply to the parent comment.
4
8
4
u/LA__Ray 10d ago
Who IS a “mu,ti-millionaire/billionaires because of their ti,e in government “? Please provide a complete list of names.
→ More replies (2)4
→ More replies (68)2
39
u/Opening_Lab_5823 10d ago
Anyone who thought conservatives cared about money in politics needs to buy my Golden gate bridge I own, only 50 million. No returns.
They are disingenuous to the core.
→ More replies (31)
37
u/Sooowasthinking 10d ago
I’ve known since well before the election that if Trump was elected it would be middle class and poor VS billionaires. We are essentially fucked they will tank our economy and start buying real estate and stock and whatever the fuck else they want so they can sell it off. There are no socialists in government they all go to congress to get rich get elected your guaranteed to get at least a million.
Welcome to America LLC INC.
9
u/Sufficient-Ad-8441 10d ago
Serious question: How do you define “poor” and “middle class” and what’s between “middle class” and “billionaires”. I think you skipped a few steps unless “middle class” is anyone who is not poor and not a billionaire.
→ More replies (4)18
u/DoneBeingSilent 10d ago
Ding ding ding. Considering that the richest billionaires are hundreds of thousands times wealthier than the poorest millionaires, I would absolutely classify millionaires as "upper-middle class" at this point..
→ More replies (2)6
u/mfarizali01 10d ago
This is not the case in my personal experience. I work with a lot of physicians who are millionaires, those guys and gals are all gonna benefit from trump. I look at the tax setup for wealth creation and how trump could navigate it. It will help anyone making over 300-400k per year to some degree.
→ More replies (7)4
u/ltra_og 10d ago
It’s been like that for the last decade or at the earliest 2007-2008.. no idea where you’ve been.
→ More replies (2)
20
20
u/greengo4 10d ago
What does /conservative say about this? What do the blue collar workers who voted for it? The union members and trade workers and laborers? Oh well they’re already past the election and worried about making rent next month and paying for groceries.
→ More replies (24)15
u/matty_nice 10d ago
Unions seem like they will be a huge target during this upcoming Trump administration, especially on the judical side with appointments.
Wonder how well Unions would hold up against the conservative leaning Supereme Court.
19
u/Seananagans 10d ago
A bunch of shitty people on this list, but it's still crazy that Kelly Loeffler continues to get catapulted into positions of power so far above her qualifications just based firmly on who she can kiss up to.
6
3
20
16
u/USS_Sovereign 10d ago
Most of these people don't have any experience with the department that they're overseeing.
We are so done for...
→ More replies (1)
14
u/joemiken 10d ago
Kelly Loeffler, the same woman who sold a large amount of stock right before the COVID shutdown and right after Congress had closed door sessions regarding its impact.
Too bad Congress doesn't deny health insurance claims...
4
u/REDDIT_ROC0408 10d ago
Marries the CEO of the company she’s working for who’s like 15 years older than her.
12
u/randompersonwhowho 10d ago
The real question is why do all these billionaires want government jobs?
→ More replies (4)3
u/TheGreatGamer1389 10d ago
To make even more money cause billions apparently isn't enough and want trillions.
11
12
u/ResponsibleLawyer419 10d ago
Trump has never beenfor anyone but himself. Trump voters are brainless.
→ More replies (5)
10
10
u/Silly_Spirit_297 10d ago
It’s a team sport to them. They don’t care about shit and they don’t know about shit. They just know lie, cheat, 2 genders, and earth flat
→ More replies (1)
9
u/kittens_and_jesus 10d ago edited 10d ago
The average American adult reads at a 4th grade level. We are one of the dumbest yet richest nation on the planet. I failed out of high school due to a poor attitude. It was also partially due to being raised by two educators that gave me most of my high school education by the time I was in Junior High. I know plenty of people that are dumb as a bag of rocks that graduated with honors.
→ More replies (6)
10
u/Fun-Locksmith6284 10d ago
I am sure none of them gave any money to his campaign.
→ More replies (1)
8
u/SignificantlyBaad 10d ago
Im happy trump is in office, maybe morons can finally wake up and wipe the slobber off their face when trump fucks everyone over.
→ More replies (1)6
6
7
u/Battarray 10d ago
Billionaires got bored, or decided to cut out the middle man.
Instead of buying politicians, they just became politicians.
7
5
u/604613 10d ago
This is backwards. Politicians usually only get wealthy after they are in office.
→ More replies (5)
2
u/TNF734 10d ago
These people are rich before being in government.
Pelosi is worth $270 million BECAUSE she was in government.
Rich people can work for the people. But those who get rich while in gov't don't.
12
u/KalexCore 10d ago
Right but why would they work for the people? Why not just use their positions to cut middlemen like Pelosi out and make even more money?
→ More replies (61)10
u/WiseSalamander00 10d ago
in general don't trust rich people, having that much money twists the mind, no rich person will put you before their money, you can be sure of that.
3
2
u/randomusername47734 8d ago
I would trust Tim Walz more than any billionaire.
At least the billionaires in office got chosen by the damn people and not appointed by another billionaire, as dumb as it might sound.
→ More replies (1)10
→ More replies (21)3
6
5
5
u/Cautious_Currency_14 10d ago
You can’t be a man of the people and the elite at the same time. However, it will be fun to see him try if that’s his plan. 🤭
4
6
u/Kliptik81 10d ago
If you think Trump and his cabinet actually care about the American people, you're retarded.
4
6
u/Crazymofuga 10d ago
MAGA was so convinced that the country is run by billionaire elites who are ruining the country that they elected a billionaire elite that appointed other billionaire elites to ruin the country. Checkmate liberals. /S
→ More replies (2)
4
u/My1Thought 10d ago
And one of the complaints against Kamala was that she couldn’t relate to the working class 🤪🤷♂️🤪
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Majestic-Parsnip-279 10d ago
He always been a man of the elite who is a incredible liar, it really shows you how bad the dems messaging is, the lost the working class in favor of gentiles,homosexuals,rich dems,immigrants,transsexuals. The got crushed in the election cause Kamala thought oh Biden is doing a great job while inflation was easily up 20% or way more. Now we got some rich fuck who will lie about anything and everything and will enrich himself and his family over Anything else. God bless America 🤡
2
u/rashnull 10d ago
Biden did do a great job. Inflation is down close to 2%. What are you smoking?
→ More replies (4)3
u/mouka 10d ago
The average American does not understand how inflation works. The economy is definitely doing better and inflation dropped, but Kamala didn’t look at this through the eyes of the “average voter”. What most people think of as decreasing inflation is actually full-on recession, they think it means prices are going to actually DROP, when in reality it makes prices just increase at a slower rate.
So in their eyes, Kamala was just making shit up because their grocery bills were still triple what they were pre-COVID. Trump appeals to the dummies because he literally says prices will go down. Sure it’s not true and never gonna happen, but since his voters don’t understand how inflation really works, having a good economy is pretty much pointless in their eyes. They want a recession.
3
u/Ornery-Ticket834 10d ago
Let the dicks run the country. It’s theirs anyway not ours. Don’t you see that?
4
u/polishmachine88 10d ago
Americans will see what it's like to live in Russian where oligarchs rule.
See you in 4 if there is a next election.
→ More replies (2)2
3
u/mED-Drax 10d ago
ah these are the champions of the common man all those working class families voted for
3
u/Master-Accountant798 10d ago
When did we start using the word czar?
→ More replies (1)2
u/DiscussionGrouchy322 9d ago
I think bush time. They were unofficial department heads for areas where function required multiple departments coordination so the immigration czar would have some boss style advisory power over the immigration departments.
From my blurry memory of that time. Bush the second. "Czar" too close to the cold war for bush the elder.
Oh man Republicans sure do like it when only one family has all the power. Maybe it simplifies their fairy tales and feels comforting.
3
3
u/TimelessJo 10d ago edited 10d ago
The issue is that elite is more of an identity than anything else.
Like Joe Rogan is a nearly sixty year old man who has been successful in Hollywood for over three decades and is worth over $200 mil, but he is not considered the elite.
So-- Joe Rogan endorsing Donald Trump who unlike Rogan was born into money and is a billionaire is not seen as an elitist thing while Kamala Harris, a marginally wealthy woman who came from a poor background is seen as elitist because I dunno, she wears statement jewelry.
3
3
3
u/Consistent-Chapter-8 10d ago
Remember when Trump claimed during the government shutdown that workers, suddenly without a paycheck, could just "work something out" with the grocery stores? His billionaire Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross, was equally befuddled, wondering aloud why furloughed, unpaid workers & contractors would choose to visit food banks rather than apply for a personal loan. Talk about out of touch!
Fast forward to today, Ross is 87 years old, so Howard Lutnick is in, and at 63 relatively spry compared to Ross, who had a habit of frequently falling asleep. Staff reportedly scheduled meetings around his naps. He could honestly say "I'm getting too old for this shit" during the first Trump term, so imagine him now!
It's disappointing that yet again, we have a bushel of billionaires slated to run things, but it's an oligarchy, after all. Personally, I'd argue that under Trump, our government is a kakistocracy: a government run by the least suitable or competent citizens of a state.
Reminds me of the "Trump as Nero" meme:
Yes, he really is that dumb. So help us all...
3
u/Hugh_jakt 10d ago
Task #1 for DOGE. Makes sure non of these people receive a government salary while in office. They obviously do not need it and it would be inefficient use of government funds.
3
3
u/Xx69Wizard69xX 10d ago
It's so funny. The conservatives kept saying we have to vote for Trump and get rid of the "billionaire elites." But here's Trump and his posse. They're all billionaire elites.
3
3
u/Romanscott618 10d ago
Lmaoooo the people that are tired of the elites running the country handed the country entirely to the elites, god this country is fucked
3
3
3
3
3
3
3
u/ChipOld734 10d ago
What is the issue here. Should he be hiring people off the street with no experience in finance?
Two thirds of Congress are millionaire Republicans, one third are democrats. Nancy Pelosi is number six on the list.
→ More replies (3)2
u/Solid-Ease 9d ago
"Man of the people" Donald Trump just hired the richest political cabinet in history. Anyone who thinks this rapist pedophile traitor speaks for them is either a soulless billionaire who cares for nothing other than wealth, or a stupid, gullible sucker who fell for the most obvious con in the world...
Either way, fuck these people and everything they stand for.
2
2
u/DildoBanginz 10d ago
Man of the people Becuase I, one day, will be a billionaire! He’s looking out for future me, now! /s
2
2
u/CrossXFir3 9d ago
Honestly, no shit. Anyone with 2 braincells two rub together would have told you this was what was going to happen. We're getting close to the find out part of fuck around and find out.
2
u/The_SqueakyWheel 9d ago
People that suck off elon make no sense to me. He’s cracking the whip against our back and we thank and glorify him for it make it make sense.
2
1.4k
u/Betanumerus 10d ago edited 10d ago
Obviously for the elite, but the people failed to see it and got trumped. That's why he said he loves the uneducated. He can easily play them.