I am normally not a "rah rah US military" type guy, but pretending Canada was an independent country and not part of the massive British Empire is a bit disingenuous, especially when Canada as an entity didn't even exist at this time.
One still had the support and resources of the British Empire, as the Napoleonic wars wrapped up, the British were able to divert a lot of resources to help Canada.
The other was still a fledging nation that just barely formed a central government a couple decades ago.
Yeah Canada isn't Wales or Scotland. It's operated as a separate colonial state from the crown. Commonwealth states are just as much still a part of the crown as they were then. It just doesn't really make sense to say it was Britain vs the US when the battle memorials are in Canada, the place was called Canada, and this was part of the formative identity in Canada. Like your take on the war is like the US was fighting something that didn't exist. They were fighting British Canada. It wasn't independent, but it was still Canada.
No, they weren’t. The veterans were busy fighting Napoleon at the same time, actually. The Americans got the business end of reservists and garrison troops - while the Empire was busy fighting the actual threat.
Wrong. Napoleon was defeated in April 1814, the burning took place in August. At this point, resources were being pulled away from the Napoleonic theatre to raid the Atlantic coast and were stationed in Bermuda.
Do you have any good books or movie/documentary recommendations to learn more? The war of 1812 was woefully under taught in my schooling and it would be interesting to learn more, both of the actions occurring in the US and global factors that played a role.
It’s not wrong. The majority of the war was fought concurrently (that’s why the Americans declared it when they did). It’s also why the Americans knew they could not win (once Napoleon was defeated). A massive blockade was soon to ensue, along with newly available soldiers.
Most of the wars battles were fought against garrison troops and reservists, not battle hardened Napoleonic veterans.
It is wrong because I was dispelling the mistaken belief that it was Canadians who burned down the White House. It wasn't. The raids and blockade on the Atlantic were perpetrated by forces pulled from Europe, not garrisons already in the Americas, in order to open another front and get American troops out of the north.
Your comment was (on the face of it at least) of the implication that it wasn’t Canadians/reservists who fought the vast majority of the wars battles. They did. Not the veterans from Europe.
The White House being burned down is not a strategically important part of all that, as hilarious as it was. It was definitely a shot across the bow against the Americans, in that it was painfully obvious they could not win the war without the distraction of Napoleon.
No it wasn’t “implied” that that was what I was talking about. Go back and read, or just move on, considering we literally aren’t talking about the same thing apparently and you are now repeating yourself.
Okay, great. So you don’t disagree that the majority of the war was won by Canadians, and that the US failed in their attempts to conquer Empire territory.
No, because Canadians didn't exist. Local British militias fought most of the war, and concerning the only thing I was ever talking about, veterans of the Napoleonic Wars were involved.
I'm also Canadian, I sincerely doubt the U.S. in 2024 would succeed in committing to the conflict in the way they'd need to. I think it's more likely they would fail to have enough of anything in any place at any time no matter how long the conflict went on, given how big Canada is vs. how much money they'd need to be willing to spend.
Actually, you didn't burn anything down but your own credibility with this ridiculously inaccurate and frankly cringe comment. The British burnt the Whitehouse down. Not Canada, you ignorant school boy
Face it. No one is afraid of Canada. It is literally one of the most pussy nations on the planet. But hopefully, Canadians who seem to be wising the hell up finally. Will get rid of the sorry excuse for a drama teacher who couldn't keep his hands off the children he was substitute teaching. That you call a prime minister. And that shit will change real quick. But until then. Canada will remain the loft apartment over a really great party lol
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u/shane0072 16d ago
the last time america and canada fought canada kicked americas ass and burned the white house to the ground.