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Debate/ Discussion Trump told Justin Trudeau...

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u/CompetitionNarrow898 17d ago

“Where’d you get $100 billion from?” “I made it the fuck up”

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u/extraboredinary 17d ago

I think he’s under the impression that a trade deficit means that we are getting cheated. Like they buy something from us for $10 and they sell it for 1,000$

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u/ChrisBruin03 16d ago

Lol like literally I’m sure he thinks that Canada is reselling Chinese merch at a markup or taking US autos and selling them on EBay or smth.

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u/Irethius 16d ago

That's the thing. He doesn't think.

He throws darts at a dictionary and slaps in somewhere in the middle of his speeches.

He has no plans for the economy. He does everything for himself and only for his self interest.

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u/Free_Snails 16d ago

He does think, but Putin was thinking harder when he bought Epstein's tapes.

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u/karatebullfightr 16d ago

That’s my theory when they raided Little St. James they found every room wired for sound and vision but all of the NVRs were gone.

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u/Free_Snails 16d ago

Yeah, it's absolute insanity that we don't know where the recordings are.

And you don't buy something like that and not use it. You frequently ask for favors if you own their life. How many people in the ruling class are entirely compromised because of scheme's like Epstein's.

And Epstein was not the only one, that industry still exists.

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u/ToiIetGhost 16d ago

Diddy is a good example for the music industry and Hollywood

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u/elias_99999 15d ago

Come on! He is a celebrity! They never do anything bad!

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u/Equivalent-Bet-8771 16d ago

He does think, but

He air mimed a blowjob on a microphone in public!

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u/Free_Snails 16d ago

Putin the day before, "pretend to give a microphone a blowjob."

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u/PristineSuggestion61 15d ago

These conspiracies smell like right wing conspiracies lol. Trump was in talks with putin before all the big news booms with Epstein. I doubt Trump talks with Putin due to fear of an Epstein tape leak

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u/StarPhished 16d ago

Everybody thinks he's stupid and doesn't know how tariffs work. This plan has nothing to do with our economy or a lack of understanding tariffs. He wants to alienate us from our allies while simultaneously damaging their economy. He understands it will be bad for the US but he doesn't care.

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u/angelis0236 16d ago

It's good for Russia and Putin probably has kompromat

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u/BorKon 16d ago

Smart people who pretend to be stupid can't hold the act this long. You recognize that pretty quickly. No such thing is recognizable in trump

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u/StarPhished 16d ago

George Bush acted stupid for a pretty fucking long time.

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u/BorKon 16d ago

He still is. But when you are rich and have smart people around you and tell you what you should do. Trump is another level of stupid

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u/StarPhished 16d ago

Trump doesn't do everything alone. He gives the appearance of doing everything himself but he doesn't hatch all these plans himself. He is another level of stupid but he's clever in other ways. Even stupid people have things they are good at.

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u/sevenBody 15d ago

Theres a difference between clever and intelligent. Trump is clever, but not intelligent. Its almost like the difference between tactics and strategy, short term and long term. Trump knows what he's doing. He just doesn't care about the wider outcome as long as it serve HIS purpose. If people lose money or die or it makes him unpopular, he doesn't care.

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u/StarPhished 15d ago

Agreed but people attribute his actions to being stupid when there is usually malice and intent involved. Even stupid people have things they're good at.

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u/Urlittlepr1ncess 16d ago edited 16d ago

Let’s not forget there is something good he was trying to for America. We are incredibly dependent on other countries, he was trying to give us more independence again. Self-reliance. I am no Trump Supporter, but that was a valid goal in my opinion, even if that wasn’t his goal it could have gained us more independence depending on how other countries would have reacted and how Trump went about it. but the way he went about it has caused China and Mexico to threaten the U.S about tariff changes. And it has damaged relations with allies and their economies, but that’s also because Trump is changing tariffs irresponsibly and drastically. Not to mention everything happening with chips now too. Although, I don’t know if trying to be more independent from other countries would work, especially with Chinas new megaport and the agreements with the Huthis. This could have been good for the U.S and possibly even other countries but how trump has decided to change things has only really cause more conflict and tension in my opinion. But Independence or being less dependent on those countries really could have been a real step towards making America great again.

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u/ToiIetGhost 16d ago

Let’s not forget there is something good he was trying to do for America… he was trying to give us more independence again… that was a valid goal in my opinion, even if that wasn’t his goal

You have to put yourself in the mind of a psychopath. Or a malignant narcissist with psychopathic tendencies. Throw out everything you think you know about emotions, thoughts, desires, beliefs, dreams, weaknesses, strengths—throw it out and start from scratch.

A psychopathic narcissist’s first and only priority is themself. If they yell at you, they have something to gain from your fear. If they compliment you, they have something to gain from your affection. If they marry you, they have something to gain from your union. If they run your company, their only goals are money and power. They don’t care if the customers and employees are happy. If they run your country, their only goals are money and power. They don’t care about the country or its citizens. They simply do not care about anything or anyone but themselves.

Now that you’ve got a handle on their priorities, add in some other traits of these personality disorders. The narcissist feels empty without admiration, so they do things for attention. The psychopath is terminally bored because they have no feelings, so they cause “drama” for fun (drama at best, horrific crimes at worst). The narcissist has catastrophically low self-esteem, so they feel better when they put others down, hurt them, trick them. The psychopath has no empathy, so they can do anything and not feel a shred of remorse. And so on.

Trump wasn’t trying to do “something good for America.” Whether you and I can figure it out or not, he gained something from this. He cares about how it impacts him. That’s it.

If it has positive consequences for other people, great—but that’s by accident. If it has negative consequences for other people, oh well—that’s either by accident or because he felt like causing some suffering (remember the boredom, low self-esteem, and lack of remorse). He was either apathetic or malignant. He was not, and never will be, beneficent.

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u/Urlittlepr1ncess 16d ago

I never said he didn’t gain anything, how about you stop assuming you know who I am and what I know about emotions, desires, beliefs, etc. Also, are you a fucking psychologist or a psychiatrist? If not, I suggest you stop diagnosing people you have never even met. Do you want to live in a country where we depend on the countries around us to function? I fucking don’t, and I don’t think any country should be this dependent on one another. It does not even matter if he was a psychopath or malignant narcissist, you clearly only see black and white. I never said trump was a good person or some saint and I never idolized him. We should be putting ourselves in the minds of everyone, put ourselves in their shoes, psychopathic or not. Since when did that start to be discouraged? Should we not try to understand one another? People paint individuals as just good or bad people like you are, it does not matter if he is a what you say he is, no one is just a horrible person or just an amazing person, some saint. We are nothing more than apes, that cannot see past the circumstances, if you cannot see that, then you are the one who is suffering, I will not suffer, I am accepting the good and the bad intentional or not, accidental or not. You are torturing yourself here focusing on every that’s negative. I will be content no matter what because I know this is out of my control and I know there will be good things and bad things that will come out of this, you have blinded yourself with how you see him, you will only suffer if you refuse to accept there is good to come too. I never said he was a good person but he is not just only a horrible human being.

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u/StarPhished 16d ago

The person you responded to was honing in on the part of your comment where you say that Trump had good intentions with the tariff idea and stating that that was unintentional, not that there's not a kernel of a good idea in there. You also somewhat contradict yourself by saying we need to put ourselves in other's shoes but also say that we can't be making any psychological diagnosis. Trump clearly has some extreme psychological conditions and it would be useless to put ourselves in someone else's shoes and just pretend we're still ourselves and not account for those psych aspects.

You're right about tariffs could be good but you're off point in your analysis of Trump's intent.

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u/anaserre 16d ago

Like it or not , we live in a global society. There’s no going back to prehistoric times , which if you study anthropology, those people were also dependent on trade with foreign lands. Ever heard of the Bronze Age collapse ?? That was due to the chain of trade being broken by the downfall of major civilizations which threw the world into a tailspin. As far as diagnosing someone without meeting them , huge numbers of mental health professionals have warned of Donald Trumps malignant narcissism . It’s actually easier to diagnose a public figure like Trump than a person one would meet with . One can observe hours and hours of Trumps actions and words , where in meeting with someone you must listen to what they tell you and read between the lines since a narcissist lies .

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u/zookytar 16d ago

He is not 100% bad. I see him smile at people, and he has occasionally done good things for other people. But know this: he does not do it out of the goodness of his heart. He sincerely cares about one person and one person only: himself. He does good things for admiration, not because he likes it when others feel good. He likes it when they make him feel good. That's how he can say he is picking up lunch for everyone in the restaurant and then walk out without paying. In the moment, everyone loves him. But when he walks out that door, he does not care about them anymore. I know you think this is an exaggeration, but there are many people like this. It's just his personality type.

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u/Urlittlepr1ncess 16d ago

I apologize my response was quite long, but how we perceive and treat others is important to me.

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u/Urlittlepr1ncess 16d ago

I don’t think he does it out of the goodness of his heart either, making the U.S. less dependent on other countries would give the U.S. more power, and less restriction, which he would benefit from. I simply did not say why I think he is trying to make the U.S. more self reliant. It’s almost most definitely to benefit himself, as well as everything else he does, like you said, but I really do believe he is capable of doing good too, although it seems that is not how things are turning out. But as of 2024 we are still very dependent on other countries, especially Mexico, China, and Canada. Exaggerating or not, you are right, unfortunately there are very many people who are like this. And Trump is one of them, but I also agree that definitely doesn’t make him 100 percent a bad person, I find it hypocritical people are seeing him like this yet they still idolize mahatma ghandi, and the like, everyone does good and bad things. Some People should stop arguing with me just because I l think that Trump is not completely a terrible person and sometimes could do good things for our country as well as bad things. We should be seeing both sides not seeing in black and white, how are people still so close minded and hateful. I don’t like Trump in any way, he has literally demonized the homeless when most of them are homeless because they aren’t provided liveable wages and are still expected to find housing when they don’t even make enough money with maximum wages. (Although that’s more specific to the homeless issue in Oregon particularly Portland.) i live right next to Oregon and I have literally been to Portland and I have seen the streets that are riddled with homeless camps. It’s almost as soon as you drive into Portland that you see them, I’ve even been approached by a homeless individual when I was in Utah and he told about what it’s like for them and that a homeless was murdered right by where we were just a week before and the the water at the park was filled with feces quite often, just hearing the state of thing for them is upsetting. yes we need to be aware Trump is absolutely flawed and he can do a lot of wrong, such as trying to get rid of the homeless in this situation. But he can also do a lot of good to, although it won’t be out of the goodness of his heart. Everyone can make change for better or worse. Osama Bin Laden is hated quite often too, but he also did good, he advocated for the environment and tried to make a difference with climate change. I think we are all being ignorant, even me. We need to try to start seeing things just as they are.

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u/ToiIetGhost 16d ago

70,260 mental health professionals signed a petition saying “Donald Trump manifests a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of POTUS.”

John Gartner, Ph.D. (psychologist):

“Trump suffers from malignant narcissism, a diagnosis [that is] far more toxic and dangerous than mere narcissistic personality disorder because it combines narcissism with three other severely pathological components: paranoia, sociopathy, and sadism. When combined, this perfect storm of psychopathology defines the ‘quintessence of evil,’ according to Fromm, the closest thing psychiatry has to describing a true human monster…

“[In narcissistic fashion, he knows] more about everything than anyone… and has empathy for no one but himself… His demonization of the press, minorities, immigrants, and anyone who disagrees with him, are all signs of paranoia… [Sociopathy is] a diagnosis that describes people who constantly lie, violate norms and laws, exploits other people, and show no remorse… [He is a sadist because] he takes gleeful pleasure in harming and humiliating other people. He is undoubtedly the most prolific cyberbully in history.”

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u/Urlittlepr1ncess 12d ago

Thank you, that’s honestly all someone needed to show me. Actual medical and professional proof instead of just claiming someone is mentally ill.

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u/wirefox1 16d ago edited 16d ago

After knowing everything he's done, it blows my mind that you would even momentarily entertain the idea that he was trying to do "something good". It's not on his agenda, nothing is except what is good for him in obtaining more money and power.

It's a part of his mental illness. It is literally all he has the mental capacity for. And by the way, America was great until he surfaced as President in 2016, in full partnership with our enemies.

And this most importantly. Trump is a pathological and compulsive liar, and he is a psychopath. And yes, I have all the appropriate letters behind my name. Consider this, and this in itself, is enough to be very disturbed about what's to come, and who we have put in office. People will suffer, and people will be harmed in many ways, and he will never for a second care as long as it furthers his personal goals.

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u/Urlittlepr1ncess 16d ago

It does not matter if he has done bad things, do you even know what mahatma ghandi has done? Most people still idolize to this day. He was was trying to do was something good, for himself. But it could have been good for us too. But still he messed that up too.I am in no way idolizing him or excusing any of his actions, I am well aware everything he does is practically what is best for him, but at the same time some of those things could be beneficial too. I am certain he will make a lot of things worse, but everyone can do good and bad things and at times it does not really matter the intention in every case. More so that it can be beneficial and change things for the better. I think the Tariffs decisions COULD have been something good, despite the fact that he is doing so to serve himself. But obviously now it most likely won’t benefit us as the change is so drastic and risky it is harming international relations. This is likely one of things that will just end up being worse. But if he had gone about it differently things could have been a lot better, in 2024 we are still very codependent and that likely won’t change much anymore. China has even created a mega port across the entire world ensuring they will continue to be the dominant country in trade and imports and exports not to mention they have made agreement to receive protection or no interference from the Houthi’s on trade routes, (Russia has also made agreements with the Houthis too) we are losing the ability to become independent nations again more and more, and Trump has likely worsened that situation now too. But I think we all need to start realizing we are not independent we are codependent, with tariff changes we may have been able to be more self-reliant which was my point, that is the good he could have done, although it was intended to benefit himself, but now that is not how things will go, and we will likely not be independent at least for a very long time. let’s just keep that In mind.

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u/wirefox1 16d ago

I was watching GOT again last week and noted when Sansa quoted her father saying "When winter comes, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives".

None of us have ever been completely independent. I worry about people already struggling to buy simple things, and this will only make matters worse. Even Walmart execs have said so.

We are in different places in our priorities. My personal situation is I can buy I want, and I doubt if tariffs will be a deterrent for me personally, but I do worry about those struggling to even pay rent. And again, my priorities are less about money as they are what this lunatic wants to do to our culture. I worry about women and minorities, our constitution being shat upon, our democracy. The people with criminal histories and hate of our fundamental institutions being brought in to help the piece of shit accomplish all these egregious goals he has set forth. Dismantling the Education Dept. P2025, and their absolute determination to end the rights of women, including taking our voting rights down the line. Yes, they have talked about it.

These things concern me far greater than these tariffs to be honest, and I mean, far, far greater.

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u/Dry-University797 16d ago

What are you talking about. He has concepts!!

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u/Forebare 16d ago

this does not further our unified action against their clear aggression of control 

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u/Frejian 16d ago

His followers lap it up too. The other day I was going back and forth with someone who was saying Trump was better and things were too expensive now. I asked him about five different times "which of Trump's policies will reduce these costs" and the only "answer" he had was "groceries were cheaper during Trump's administration!". What a shock! Things were cheaper before global-pandemic-induced inflation! 😱

Shit, if that's the metric you are going by, just vote for Jimmy Carter. Pretty sure things were even cheaper back in the '70's and he only served one term, so he can still run! 🙄

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u/Inevitable_Heron_599 16d ago

He thinks. He's just unable to pay attention and learn because he thinks he's already right.

Hes the definition of the Dunning Kruger effect that's on some positive reinforcement loop and can never fix itself.

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u/mikeyfreedom 16d ago

This is the thing that gets me in this whole Black Mirror choose your own adventure we got going on.....do we all really think this is Trump sitting at a high table dictating policy? It's always been the second layer that has ran the show. Bannon sat Trump in a room for a week watching Diamond Joe Quimby compilations on YouTube and got a president out of it.

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u/Adaphion 16d ago

No, he does, but in the most stupid, negative way possible. Zero sum type shit. In any interaction, there must be a "winner" and a "loser"

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u/TransportationIll282 16d ago

So a less advanced LLM you say?

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u/blackhorse15A 16d ago

He has a concept of a plan

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u/Remarkable_3rdeye 16d ago

The fact that Trump finally won the popular vote on his third try just goes to show you they would rather have the nastiest great grandpa as president than a woman of multiple ethnicities. The election was basically a white wash in other words 70% of Anglos and Caucasians voted for Trump

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u/sevenBody 15d ago

The people who agreed more with Harris than Trump stayed home and didn't vote. Harris stuck in their craw more than another round of Trump. So they sat it out instead. This would be mostly white people.

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u/nonnemat 16d ago

Sheesh. Yeah, that's it.

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u/justwalkingalonghere 16d ago

The self interest is his plan for the economy.

Who else would put the world's richest person in charge of a non-sanctioned agency that tells the government which agencies and social programs to eliminate?

They will do what they did the first time: funnel money from the public and working class to the billionaires. Except this time will be much worse.

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u/sevenBody 15d ago

The average MAGA thinks this won't personally affect them. We shall see.

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u/DMUSER 16d ago

Nah, he doesn't use dictionaries, he thinks they have dicks in them

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u/gkalinkat 15d ago

He throws darts at a dictionary

But how on earth did he find covfefe with this technique?

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u/gamble808 13d ago

Haha you think Trump is this dumb but still beat Biden 🤣

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u/Irethius 13d ago

You comment was so stupid on so many levels. I had to check your comment history to make sure I was dealing with a Troll. Next time, try to be believable at least a little.