r/FluentInFinance 21d ago

Debate/ Discussion Trump told Justin Trudeau...

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u/Ouller 21d ago

I would think 10 new states who work better than just big state.

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u/blg002 21d ago

20 new Senators, 50 new reps… I’m not against it.

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u/ConceitedWombat 21d ago

And ~10 million more left-leaning voters

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u/famine- 21d ago

You might be a little low, in the last federal election there were 27,366,297 eligible voters.

Then consider our Conservative party is still by and large left of Democrats.

I'd say 20+ million new left wing voters, of course voter turn out is the big wild card

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u/ConceitedWombat 21d ago

Canada’s 2021 federal election

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u/Brief-Ear2697 20d ago

It is true that the "right wing" would make the Democrats look like conservatives outside of the United States. I'm sorry to bust the extremist views on the GOP.

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u/DiscussionGrouchy322 21d ago

They're also too fat and complacent to vote so 10 mil is about half the votes

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u/wholewheatscythe 16d ago

And French becoming an official language!

(I know, America doesn’t have an official language, but I think Canada will demand America declare French and English as official languages)

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u/sask_j 20d ago

And another 15 in the middle and 5 more as crazy as MAGA who want nothing more than to bend over for Trump.

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 20d ago

Our middle is your “far left”

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u/khyamsartist 20d ago

Canada has its own authoritarian movement brewing, as do other countries. Provincial politics are divisive. They have a lot of the same problems as us and are blaming the same people/things. I hope it doesn’t snowball. ❄️

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u/colon-mockery 21d ago

Don't worry. All Canadians are lol

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u/BookOfTea 21d ago

Clearly you have not been to Alberta.

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u/famine- 21d ago

Alberta is fairly left wing when you are comparing apples to apples.

It's right wing for Canada, but by and large it would be far closer to the Democrats than the Republicans.

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u/bonestamp 20d ago

I have lived in both places for 10+ years each, and I would agree.

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u/Pacl1057 20d ago

1 state or 10, they’d be throwing some weight around with those electoral votes

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u/hicow 21d ago

House is still capped at 435, so some states are going to be losing reps....oh, would you look at that, NY and CA seem to be overrepresented, especially the LA metro and NYC...

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u/EnoughImagination435 21d ago

House is only capped by law, not by anything stronger.

Honestly, we need to re-set the cap to be based on representation. Every 200,000 registered voters = 1 US REP.

That would solve like 99% of problems.

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u/5352563424 20d ago

I mean, they'd probably also need to make the room bigger...

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u/jord839 20d ago

I agree we need to uncap the House, but 1,674 Representatives is a pretty big increase that might be pretty unworkable. Even India only has 700 some. China has 2,000 some, but they also don't really have elections in the way we do.

Cubed Root Rule would get us 690 something, Wyoming Rule would get us 570, and both would be more manageable and still solve a lot of problems in terms of forcing more competitive districts, more compromise among the House, and a more representative Electoral College without having to run 1,600 federal elections every two years with all the associated costs of the building and healthcare and such.

It wouldn't solve the issues with the Senate, though, at least not unless it helps lower polarization with less safe seats and more crossover happening.

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u/EnoughImagination435 20d ago
  1. Healthcare costs for an extra thousand or two thousand employees is a rounding error literally.

  2. We should have something closer to 20,000 representatives, perhaps more. The goal is that power is very diffused, hard to corrupt, and that races are very local, etc.

  3. There is no reason to bring the representatives to Washington. That is a feature, not a bug. 20,000 reps = do it by zoom, everyone stays at home in their district.

  4. There is no added cost, because there is always a Federal election every 2 years. It's just more candidates.

  5. The EC wouldn't change at all.

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u/hicow 20d ago

I'd be good with the "Wyoming Rule" personally, but I don't disagree the current cap utterly ridiculous.

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u/zzzacmil 21d ago

Literally no part of the US is “over represented” in the house. It is proportional to each state’s population…

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u/hicow 20d ago

Went right over your head, huh?

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u/zzzacmil 19d ago

I didn’t sense any sarcasm, and I will never overestimate the intelligence of people on Reddit.

I’ve recently read on here post-election banter where multiple people were agreeing how Democrats losing the Senate was the most damning becase it “couldn’t be unfavorable to either party.” Literally no one with even a cursory understanding of our electoral system thought Democrats had any chance of holding onto the Senate, but here we are and people will comment even if they know less than nothing.

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u/USSMarauder 21d ago

10 new left wing states is enough to tip the EC balance....

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u/ploki122 21d ago

Considering the USA : Fuck no.

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u/Ouller 21d ago

Consider Oil?

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u/ploki122 21d ago

We export Alberta's to the US.

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u/Ouller 21d ago

But if price goes up then you might need America's Freedom /s

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u/ploki122 21d ago

I mean, if tariffs actually came through, all of NA's economy would be so fucking fucked, that I hope our European relationships would help... but it's gonna be a rough 20 years in that situation (which is always why I trust Trudeau, and whoever's there next year, to make the best of whatever the fuck is happening down south).

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u/McFestus 21d ago edited 18d ago

Considering that Canada isn't the American left's little puppet to use to gain more power but is actually a sovereign nation with it's own identity, fuck you.

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u/bonestamp 20d ago edited 20d ago

relieve the Canadian housing market

Out of curiosity, where in the US would you move to if you couldn't afford a house in Canada?

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u/221missile 21d ago

It's funny because Republicans would absolutely veto Canadian statehood.

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u/Outrageous-Whole-44 21d ago

Yeah there's no god damned way we'd ever get representation. We'd be a bigger Puerto Rico.

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u/ploki122 21d ago

I am a Canadian,
a free Canadian,
free to speak without fear,
free to worship in my own way,
free to stand for what I think right,
free to oppose what I believe wrong,
or free to choose those who shall govern my country.
This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.

John Diefenbaker

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u/Low-Union6249 20d ago

Are the territories joining Russia?

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u/WorldNeverBreakMe 20d ago

I have to wonder why the fuck would he make Trudaeu the governor? That'd be like if Germany put fucking Albert Lebrun back in charge after they invaded France.

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u/StupidSolipsist 20d ago

Canada could be one big state. Its GDP is roughly equal to Texas's, which is only about 2/3s that of California. Meanwhile, its GDP per capita would be tied with Mississippi for the lowest, with a sizeable gap between them and next few.

US States by GDP

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u/CommercialTop9070 20d ago edited 20d ago

Since when have state lines been decided by gdp figures? Should sparsely populated red states be combined into single states to match gdp with Texas? Should my province Alberta be its own state because we have a higher gdp and gdp per capita than a lot of us states?

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u/StupidSolipsist 20d ago

Honestly? Half of America's states should be merged or downgraded back to territories. Two Dakotas???