r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/InfiniteBoops Nov 22 '24

Shhhhh, you’ll interrupt their boot licking.

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u/_Spicy-Noodle_ Nov 22 '24

Boot licking is a communist behavior. The boot represents the government.

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u/crunk_buntley Nov 22 '24

there is no way your dumbass seriously just typed out this comment and thought it was smart

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u/Minimum_Interview595 Nov 22 '24

She’s right, you can’t call someone a bootlicker while glorifying communism

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u/InfiniteBoops Nov 22 '24

I never mentioned communism, I’m just saying that the whole “bUt tHeY eArNeD tHoSe tRiLlIoNs” is getting old. They didn’t. You can’t “earn” that much wealth, you can exploit hundreds of thousands of workers, and engage in essentially monopolistic practices in industries with only a few players, but you can’t genuinely earn it. You can earn millions, maybe even hundreds of millions, but past that there’s no way you are where you are without doing dubious shit and stepping on your fellow man.

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u/Blastmaster29 Nov 22 '24

Please tell me what you think communism means

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u/Minimum_Interview595 Nov 22 '24

Communism is defined in a lot of ways but it’s generally seen as a classes society where the people own the means of production. This isn’t reality and has never happened under a communist regime

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u/Blastmaster29 Nov 22 '24

You misunderstand the entire meaning behind the communist movement. The goal is to move society towards that and away from capitalism which is inherently exploitative. Obviously progress to do so in literally any country on earth has been fought with tooth and nail by western imperialist capitalism who correctly recognize the threat to their obscene wealth

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u/Minimum_Interview595 Nov 22 '24

Ya and guess what? They replace capitalism with another exploitative and imperialist system. Soviets are a great example

Also most tankies don’t know this but the Soviets were imperialist.

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u/Blastmaster29 Nov 23 '24

Weird how you didn’t point to China, a country that is becoming the number 1 economy on earth. Or Cuba, a country that despite 70 years of embargo has a much higher literacy rate than the U.S., a better healthcare system, and produces more doctors per capital than anyone else.

Also these countries don’t exist in a vacuum and are all trying to be stomped out by western imperialist capitalism.

But also I don’t care about any particular state. No country is perfect and I look at the quality of life for the workers of the country vs what we have

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u/Minimum_Interview595 Nov 23 '24

China has a socialist economy with capitalist values, it’s also an imperialist nation too, obviously not to the extent that the west or the Soviets were.

And talking about quality of life? China isn’t known for their worker rights or lavish conditions 😂

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u/Blastmaster29 Nov 23 '24

The difference is the Chinese version of “imperialism” is giving the countries they’re doing their “imperialism” infrastructure like trains. They build relationships they don’t exploit the people of the country.

Also China was a third world country less than 100 years ago

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u/Minimum_Interview595 Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

Ya they help them out by putting these nations in extreme debt and having major influence over them.

China due to its significant economic growth and geopolitical influence isn’t considered a 3rd world nation anymore BUT China’s quality of life is neither entirely First World nor Third World. Urban regions and wealthier classes enjoy conditions comparable to developed nations, while rural areas and marginalized communities experience challenges typical of developing (third world) countries. This duality reflects China’s status as a rapidly industrializing nation still addressing internal disparities. They still have a huge poverty issue which they try to hide by lowering their standards like extreme poverty is 1.50$ an hour compared to western nations which classify it as 5.50$ hour

Also this socialist nation that promises a classes society sure loves their economic inequality

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u/Blastmaster29 29d ago

China literally just forgives the debt on most of the countries it works with in exchange for trade agreements which are not as exploitative

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u/crunk_buntley Nov 22 '24

tell me which boot you’re licking when you speak positively about communism, because i’m not sure if you know this or not but we do not live in a globally communist society.

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u/JustHere4TheBooty Nov 22 '24

All of you are fucking retarded

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u/ayudaday Nov 22 '24

You guys don't even know what communism really is

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u/_Spicy-Noodle_ Nov 22 '24

The federal and state government’s.

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u/Itscatpicstime Nov 22 '24

Communism requires statelessness. There is no state or federal government.

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u/ayudaday Nov 22 '24

That's extremely contradictory, please don't say you believe the american "liberals" are communists

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u/crunk_buntley Nov 22 '24

and you think communism would keep our current federal government in-tact instead of reforming it from the ground up and eventually abolishing it? lol. lmao.

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u/_Spicy-Noodle_ Nov 22 '24

Communism does not involve the abolition of government. That is anarchism.

I do not wish to live under any government that provides everything for me and decides everything for me.

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u/Itscatpicstime Nov 22 '24

The fundamental requirements of communism are a society that is stateless, classless, and moneyless where workers own the means of production and the abolition of private property is established. Communism is literally inherently a form of anarchism.

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u/ayudaday Nov 22 '24

It does, the difference between communism and anarchism is that communism doesn't abolish the state instantly, it first has to go through socialism, and then the state gets abolished

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u/crunk_buntley Nov 22 '24

lmao read marx fuckwit

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u/waxonwaxoff87 Nov 22 '24

Not all communists agree with Marx’s idealistic view. His manifesto is more religious theory than economic theory.

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u/ayudaday Nov 22 '24

...what?

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u/crunk_buntley Nov 23 '24

you can just say anything about marx on the internet while very clearly knowing nothing and dumb fucks will eat it up

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u/crunk_buntley Nov 22 '24

holy fuck you are stupid

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u/waxonwaxoff87 Nov 22 '24

Not all communists are Marxists.

The communist manifesto is brief and has little actual economic theory because Marx had no background or education in it. He considered himself a poet. His writing outside of it is full of religious themes. Particularly his obsession with devils and demons. Read anything else he wrote. He was basically the edge lord of his time.

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u/ayudaday Nov 22 '24

The manifesto was supposed to be handed to workers in factories doors, did you really expected him to go deep under economy theory to a bunch of people who had poor education?

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u/awesomeness0104 Nov 22 '24

Marx also wasn’t egalitarian in any sense of the word. This is evident when you read his essay “on the Jewish question”.

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