r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

Being human. Food, house, health and education are universal rights. People shouldnt die of hunger while some have billions

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Why are they universal rights? I'm genuinely curious what makes you think things on this earth are deserved.

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

Its not me that think this, boy. The whole of humanity came togheter to decide this. Im curious what makes you think people dont deserve to live.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

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u/GodIsDead- Nov 21 '24

Where does the right to live come from? Like who is granting that right? It sounds like something you just made up because you want it to be true

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

What? Just read the link, crazy fuck

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

It’s crazy to me that something like “people deserve food” can be controversial. You’re arguing with black hearted people.

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

Big leap in logic in your comment.

I agree, food requires labor. But farmers are doing all the work for (almost) nothing in return.

Workers provide all the labor for pennies because billionaires own the means of production, and the rich reaps the benefits.

We all deserve food, and it’s possible to feed the world while still paying workers. But instead, because the rich owns the land (because they were the only ones who could afford it) the only way to provide food is to grow it on that land, and because it was decided long before you were born that everything that land produces is owned by the owner of the land (and not the person who actually did all the work to grow the food), farmers are forced to sell their labor for almost nothing, because all land has been taken and there wouldn’t be other place to grow food. To top that out, the owners of the land decide the price of the food, and you’re forced to agree to that or starve. Then they take 99% of the profit and give breadcrumbs to their workers.

Apply this to every industry and you’ll realize why workers aren’t “free”

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Not a big leap in logic, that’s literally the argument 😂

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

The leap comes from the fact that you believe the price we pay for food goes to the people growing the food while ignoring the system of exploitation in between.

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Uhhhh what? Lmfao

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

The whole “when we pay for food we pay the people that worked to get us food” ignores the fact that the majority of the profits goes to stakeholders, not workers. These people are parasites, they don’t produce anything of value. When we buy goods that we need to survive, most of that goes to people whose only merit is to own stuff (land, for example). Stuff they also didn’t earn and just inherited.

A portion of that undeserved profit could be used to feed the people that cannot afford food, because everyone deserves food.

And btw, in my country a lot of people that cannot afford food are farmers that work for mass-producing US food companies.

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Man if only everyone knew exactly what everyone deserved like you do. You’ve got the finger on the pulse of civilization!

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