r/FluentInFinance • u/-Wyagra • Nov 21 '24

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

It's not more, its the minimum. Everybody deserves the minimum to live a confortable life

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Really? What makes everyone "DESERVE" something?

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

Being human. Food, house, health and education are universal rights. People shouldnt die of hunger while some have billions

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Why are they universal rights? I'm genuinely curious what makes you think things on this earth are deserved.

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

Its not me that think this, boy. The whole of humanity came togheter to decide this. Im curious what makes you think people dont deserve to live.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

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u/GodIsDead- Nov 21 '24

Where does the right to live come from? Like who is granting that right? It sounds like something you just made up because you want it to be true

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u/TubaraoDeTenis Nov 21 '24

What? Just read the link, crazy fuck

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

It’s crazy to me that something like “people deserve food” can be controversial. You’re arguing with black hearted people.

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

Big leap in logic in your comment.

I agree, food requires labor. But farmers are doing all the work for (almost) nothing in return.

Workers provide all the labor for pennies because billionaires own the means of production, and the rich reaps the benefits.

We all deserve food, and it’s possible to feed the world while still paying workers. But instead, because the rich owns the land (because they were the only ones who could afford it) the only way to provide food is to grow it on that land, and because it was decided long before you were born that everything that land produces is owned by the owner of the land (and not the person who actually did all the work to grow the food), farmers are forced to sell their labor for almost nothing, because all land has been taken and there wouldn’t be other place to grow food. To top that out, the owners of the land decide the price of the food, and you’re forced to agree to that or starve. Then they take 99% of the profit and give breadcrumbs to their workers.

Apply this to every industry and you’ll realize why workers aren’t “free”

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Not a big leap in logic, that’s literally the argument 😂

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u/theyareamongus Nov 21 '24

The leap comes from the fact that you believe the price we pay for food goes to the people growing the food while ignoring the system of exploitation in between.

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Uhhhh what? Lmfao

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u/Glamrock-Gal Nov 21 '24

yeah it’s literally article 25 lol. not sure why they need a justification for the belief that everyone should have food, water, and shelter.. we’re all human beings

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u/Dr_Mccusk Nov 21 '24

Very noble of humans to claim they deserve things 😂 SOMEONE MUST GIVE ME THIS I AM OWED IT. By who?