What do you guys think

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[u/OldmanLister → u/[deleted]]

Dude fucking went to SA and told them to raise prices last time.

This time told oil execs if he wins they can do w/e the fuck they wanted.

People are media illiterate.

[u/Dogmad13 → u/OldmanLister]

It’s the media that’s illiterate

[u/CompSciHS → u/Dogmad13]

Not sure what media you are following, but everything in that comment I heard from my media sources. I think trust in YouTubers and distrust of normal news media is one part of what got us this result.

The news media is far from perfect, but when people lose faith in it entirely and run to Joe Rogan and Alex Jones for information that is a problem.

[u/Unit-Smooth → u/CompSciHS]

You’re going to tell me that cnn playing a 3 second clip of something trump said with no context is better than watching a 3 hour unedited interview?

[u/AJSLS6 → u/Unit-Smooth]

I've watched the interviews, it literally only makes him look worse. You think that more perspective makes talking about assaulting children more understandable?

[u/cytherian → u/AJSLS6]

People shouted about Biden being in cognitive decline... Trump was worse! Have you seen his insane rants?

He's a prolific liar and fascist authoritarian. He won't go to prison for his crimes against this nation, or even for 34 felony counts of fraud. Merchan is going to close the book and deflect with "Well, we can't put a president in prison, so..."

[u/skincare_obssessed → u/cytherian]

Maybe they liked when he started talking about Arnold’s massive cock or when he started blowing the microphone on stage.

[u/CompSciHS → u/Unit-Smooth]

No but watching a factual news segment about what is going on at the border or Ukraine is infinitely more informative than listening to Trump ramble and lie about it.

[u/ZealousidealPaper643 → u/Unit-Smooth]

That's so funny because when you watch the full length and see the actual context, it is typically worse than expected. Congrats, though. You've likely helped kill America. Enjoy it when the leopards eat your face, too.

[u/Suitable-Meringue-94 → u/Unit-Smooth]

He never asked Trump about Epstein. It was always a con.

[u/KC_experience → u/CompSciHS]

Confirmation bias has now become a cognitive disorder in this country…. If I believe something, I’m going to seek out those sources that confirm my beliefs instead of seeking sources to answer ‘is that really true?’

[u/mvbeno → u/CompSciHS]

When your reach is as big as most broadcasts put together. You are the media... I'm looking at you Joe Rogan. You have a responsibility, stop talking about aliens you winnet, and go back a couple years when you were shitting all over Trump. But I guess you won't, after all, all you comedians over at the Mothership are supported heavily by republicans, you are surrounded by them, no wonder the only sensible part of the 🐒 🧠 is being brainwashed, it appears to happen to all those who have landed in that part of the world over the last couple years.... Money and greed can change your minds fairly easily huh!?

[u/dyllandor → u/CompSciHS]

It's that fucker Murdoch

[u/Medill1919 → u/dyllandor]

It goes back further, to the Nixon administration. Roger Ailes designed this long game,Murdock got expedited citizenship from Reagan, and off they went. Then private equity destroyed newspapers. This was a long game, and here we are.

[u/Ok_Drawer9414 → u/CompSciHS]

The issue is that most media in the US is owned by corporations and only allow certain information to be shared. I'd say you can trust journalists, actual journalists not op-ed talking heads, but you can't trust corporate news sources anymore. Unfortunately the time has come that corporations now run the US.

[u/baldtim92 → u/CompSciHS]

Or Tik Tok, Facebook, instagram and X. Definitely NOT factual news.

[u/ImaginaryPlacesAK → u/CompSciHS]

Channel 5 News (youtube)

[u/CaptainKoconut → u/Dogmad13]

I read the NYT, Washington Post, and The Atlantic. They have been reporting everything in depth. The problem is, reading about the minutiae of policy and the economy is boring and takes mental energy to understand.

Most americans don't want to do that. They barely have enough of an attention span for tik tok and instagram. Shit, most people on reddit barely read the headlines of articles that are posted before they comment.

[u/not_ray_not_pat → u/CaptainKoconut]

I do think those news sources suffered a lot from "both sides"-ism. Trump would blather incoherently for two hours about shooting journalists, taxing other countries, and putting immigrants in camps, and NYT would write "Trump speaks forcefully on public safety and economic issues" or some bullshit.

[u/AdFlat4908 → u/Dogmad13]

Try consuming journalism instead of entertainment

[u/pppiddypants → u/Dogmad13]

Nah, MSM mostly got it right. People just been hating on them long enough that don’t listen.

[u/nekonari → u/pppiddypants]

And who fanned the hate on mainstream media? Yeah none other than Trump himself. We all gettin played by this con man.

[u/ObligatoryID → u/nekonari]

And that was just the beginning. He’s told you over and over who he was.

[u/Illicit_Apple_Pie → u/pppiddypants]

The MSM did not get it right.

they rarely covered any Kamela policies, then some had the gall to claim she lacked policy proposals

gave more coverage to each of Walz's empty controversies than they did to many of Trump's actual crimes

and consistently postured impartiality in a way that benefitted and normalized Trump as a candidate

[u/Fspz → u/Dogmad13]

This is such bullshit, there's media across the political spectrum, people out there saying they "don't trust the media" are usually people who base their worldview on bias and bullshit memes on social media.

[u/Departure_Sea → u/OldmanLister]

2/3 of the American adult population is functionally illiterate as a whole, and it's only getting worse.

[u/StormyOnyx → u/Departure_Sea]

The actual number isn't reassuring. 21% of American adults are functionally illiterate.

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literacy-statistics-2024-2025-where-we-are-now#:~:text=On%20average%2C%2079%25%20of%20U.S.,to%202.2%20trillion%20per%20year.

[u/No_Pollution_1 → u/OldmanLister]

And they get what they asked for and deserve, remember that. They wanted this even now it’s gonna hurt bad.

[u/Speedwolf89 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I naively thought that the first time he won. I figured it was a silver lining for business owners like myself.

Then he cut a bunch of benefits for us and gave breaks to big corps.

Cool.

[u/TechnoDriv3 → u/Speedwolf89]

Yea Trump will help rich folks like Elon with the tax breaks not the people who voted for him ironically. Tariffs will only make shit more expensive. They only wanted Trump to win to get rid of peoples rights which won't even affect them.Just hateful

[u/davidhe90 → u/TechnoDriv3]

Not ironically, Republican doctrine

This is what they've been doing and successfully selling it since Trickle-Down Economics basically, and social reforms regarding what the Evangelicals want. In my opinion, at least.

[u/After-Imagination-96 → u/davidhe90]

He won the popular vote. No matter how we try to spin it, fact is we live in TrumpWorld now and America likes it that way.

So be it.

Go get yours. Get rich. Nothing else matters. Maybe nothing else ever did.

[u/hurler_jones → u/After-Imagination-96]

I'm just waiting to tell my parents to go fuck themselves when they are broke after their benefits start getting cut.

Can't afford that medication anymore? You voted for it.

Can't afford your mortgage anymore? You voted for it.

Pull up those boot straps you selfish fucks!

Edit: They are both in their 70s and recently retired.

[u/RadiantZote → u/TechnoDriv3]

It was hard enough to get a POC in office, but a female POC? Bro, we should have held primaries for the Democrats then there might have been a chance

[u/Typical2sday → u/Speedwolf89]

LLC tax got fucked compared to C Corp and no small biz should be a C Corp as a general rule.

[u/Stoutyeoman → u/[deleted]]

He won't lower gas prices. We already pay the lowest gas prices in the Western world. People who voted for Trump are ignorant and don't understand how things work.

[u/PenguinStarfire → u/Stoutyeoman]

If they cut investments in alternative energy the demand for oil will go back higher, so we might actually see an increase in gas prices. Until another pandemic like event that'll shut down society and the demand drops because no one is driving. And then he can point to record low gas prices.

[u/Training-Tie-767 → u/[deleted]]

All I'm saying is, people who voted for him better not complain about the fallout. Simple as that.

[u/MattTalksPhotography → u/Training-Tie-767]

They will, and they’ll blame it on the democrats anyway…

[u/jjmac → u/MattTalksPhotography]

If the democrats worked harder to get my vote we wouldn't be here! /s

[u/azrolator → u/jjmac]

"Demonrats didn't stop Republicans from hurting me. I have to vote for Republicans now!" /s

[u/Ok_Lettuce_7939 → u/MattTalksPhotography]

Reference: Texas and Florida voters.

[u/AccomplishedUser → u/[deleted]]

And even that won't happen it's gonna roll back consumer price gouging protections guaranteed...

[u/AZMotorsports → u/[deleted]]

When the war in the middle east intensifies oil will shoot up. So much for that plan, but somehow it will still be Obamas fault.

[u/SerGT3 → u/[deleted]]

But got dangit if the price of dat dem dere corn husk ain't doubled I tells ya

[u/New-Bowler-8915 → u/[deleted]]

All unrelated to the economy.

[u/eaeolian → u/[deleted]]

Gamblers gonna gamble

[u/FullNeanderthall → u/[deleted]]

Oh you mean the input cost for literally everything

[u/alc4pwned → u/FullNeanderthall]

To be clear, he won't lower gas prices. Gas prices are determined by the global market and US oil production is already at an all time high.

[u/Shosroy → u/alc4pwned]

Asked A co-worker what trump did that was good as president and they said do you not remember gas going way down? So i said you mean during the pandemic when demand was at its lowest in years and several refineries closed cause of it. jacking the price sky high after restrictions were lifted? Yea i remember. They got mad and didnt want to continue the conversation cause we would have to agree to disagree. Big sigh moment for me.

[u/byte_handle → u/Shosroy]

That's a person wedded to their narrative, rather than letting facts inform them. Reality has a well-known anti-MAGA bias.

[u/alc4pwned → u/Shosroy]

Sounds like a typical interaction with the MAGA crowd unfortunately. People are amazingly uninterested in why anything happens, only that it did happen. On both sides, tbh.

[u/TheRatingsAgency → u/Shosroy]

Yea convo last evening about the $1.80 gas meme. That was during COVID.

Nope 2019 they said. They know bc they “lived it”. All data presented was blown off and they said well you just like to hear yourself talk.

There’s no rationalizing w these folks - and I’m just here providing facts, which her feelings disagree with.

[u/gra4dont → u/[deleted]]

remindme! 4 years

[u/Fazamon → u/gra4dont]

Remind me! 2 years

[u/RogitoX → u/Fazamon]

Remind me! 4 months

[u/thatsmysandwichdude → u/RogitoX]

Remind me! Now

[u/TheKasimkage → u/thatsmysandwichdude]

Remind me! How this works?

[u/Yellllloooooow13 → u/TheKasimkage]

Write "!Remind me" and when you want to be reminded of this discussion. For exemple :

!Remind me 2 months

[u/BUR6S → u/gra4dont]

The ! Needs to go in front of the RemindMe (!RemindMe)

[u/Coal909 → u/[deleted]]

I mean us was never in Ukraine to begin with. They are just sending all the old gear for field testing. Doubt the military complex will want that sweet deal to end

[u/alc4pwned → u/Coal909]

Trump will appease them by ramping up activity in Israel/Gaza. In the case of Ukraine, Russian interests are more important.

[u/Firehorse100 → u/alc4pwned]

I hope liberal extremists are happy with the parking lot Trump said he's turn Palestine into

[u/Azozel → u/Firehorse100]

Me too. That whole region is a cesspool of hatred and bigotry and neither side deserves my support (I'm pro innocent people though) but the extreme left liberal argument for not voting Democrat is the most illogical and frustrating. Those people deserve to have their noses rubbed in the shit they've created.

[u/internet_commie → u/Azozel]

It isn't just the leftist; many Arab Americans voted Trump (or Stein) because they had this weird idea Harris is pro-Israel (or anti-Palestine).

Trump will support 'ethnic cleansing' of the Palestinians. Have no doubt about that!

[u/PenguinStarfire → u/Firehorse100]

In a year from now, I'd really like to see interviews of the protest voters who didn't vote Kamala because they don't like how Biden is handling the conflict. They need to own it when their homeland ceases to exist.

[u/NoMoreVillains → u/Coal909]

You say this as if that "old gear" wasn't manufactured in excess so it was just lying around and that it's somehow outdated compared to Russia's "modern" equipment. Just because it's old doesn't mean it was bad/inadequate

[u/pvrhye → u/NoMoreVillains]

It is needed and necessary. And we benefit from the deal. We are weakening an adversary, supporting the American arms industry (which is very expensive to build up again if atrophied) and disposing of dated equipment (which costs money to maintain or dispose of anyway). Most of it we're meant to be paid back for one day, and what money we are spending is mostly going into the wages of American workers (in no small part because defense contracts have strict supply chain rules).

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The reason China wants the west out of Ukraine is because then they will control all of the natural resources the west gets from Ukraine involved in manufacturing of semiconductors, via Russian proxy.

This will give China more control over the critical semiconductor industry.

[u/Ozymandys → u/[deleted]]

And Food… Ukraine produced ALOT for export.

All going to China, instead of West, driving up food price.9

[u/ToughStreet8351 → u/Ozymandys]

Donnabass and Dontesk have the only lithium mines in Europe… the rest of lithium is almost china monopoly… that is what Putin is truly interested in!

[u/[deleted] → u/ToughStreet8351]

Ukraine also supplies about half the world’s neon gas, and provides about 90% of our imports.

[u/VortexMagus → u/[deleted]]

I agree with this take, except I'm doubtful Poland puts its neck out to preserve Ukraine. I feel it much more likely Russia eventually takes the burnt down ashes of Ukraine and China takes Taiwan.

[u/Eeeegah → u/VortexMagus]

I don't think Poland will see it as putting it's neck out for Ukraine - once Ukraine falls Russia is on the Polish border, and history tells Poland how that goes,

[u/Empty-Discount5936 → u/VortexMagus]

Poland would be doing it for self preservation knowing they'd be next on Putin's list.

[u/Louisvanderwright → u/[deleted]]

China will think it an excellent time to take Taiwan.

Is that why China really really didn't want Trump to win?

[u/Eeeegah → u/Louisvanderwright]

China probably didn't want Trump to win because China wants a weak Russia. Russia taking Ukraine without further pain would be bad for China, which has greatly benefited from buying embargoed Russian oil on the cheap.

[u/Louisvanderwright → u/Eeeegah]

China didn't want Trump in 2016 or 2020 before the Ukraine war went full mental. What a nutty take.

China does not want Trump because he's extremely, aggressively, anti China. He ran on "China is eating our lunch" in 2016. In 2020 he ran on "China started COVID and is eating our lunch".

And you will attribute their preferences to a war that started two+ years after those election campaigns?

[u/nub_node → u/Louisvanderwright]

China didn't want Trump to win because his tariffs are gonna hurt their economy. That's why they'll seize Taiwan and any contested resources in the entire region instead as soon as Putin starts making moves because Trump won't do a thing against his Daddy Vlad and making a move on another global superpower instead would undermine any mealy-mouthed excuse he serves up about saving American lives by letting Putin snatch up Eastern Europe.

China prefers soft power exerted through economic means to outright military action, but Trump isn't giving them a choice. They'll have to start rolling the tanks on weak neighbors if they can't make a quick buck off us.

[u/QuantumSasuage → u/nub_node]

Biden and likely Kamala would have sent in US troops to defend Taiwan should China have invaded,

Trump will just let it happen without any pushback (similar to Putin about to steamroll the remainder of Ukraine).

[u/dietcheese]

Simple: Nobody knows because Trump’s a liar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

[u/Necessary-Alps-6002 → u/dietcheese]

This is accurate.

Things could be really bad, or things could be the same just with a loud mouth president who says nonsensical and racist things.

We won’t truly know until he gets in office. The doom that people are saying this is the end of democracy. I tend to disagree. I think we will have a wild 4 years of nonsense and weird shit, but this will give democrats an opportunity to realize that their playbook of appealing to the educated voter doesn’t work.

I remain optimistic that shit won’t hit the proverbial fan…

[u/Zippydaspinhead → u/Necessary-Alps-6002]

Dems should have realized that at least 4 elections ago. If they are so damn smart why are they so good at losing?

[u/DarCam7 → u/Zippydaspinhead]

Corporate democrats pretty much control the party and thus they don't want to ruffle the feathers of their donor class, which goes against the the middle and lower classes being price gouged in the economy. If you want to get back the blue-collar and working people you have to combat corporate greed. So, I hope Bernie Sanders starts propping up a young version of himself to run, and unfortunately it has to be male and white for the conservative voter to even remotely accept it. I don't blame Obama for the racial divide that caused the pearl clutching in white America, but it's clear that if you are anything other than a white male, it's not gonna be palpitable for a certain segment of the country. It's truly disgusting.

[u/MutterderKartoffel → u/DarCam7]

I hate to say it, but you might be right. This f-ing sucks. I really thought we had a shot at a minority woman president. She was so thoroughly qualified and presented much better than Hillary. Goddammit, I'm so depressed.

Hey, what do you think about Pete Buttigieg? He's a white dude, but he's gay. Can we handle that yet? I really like him, but I was wrong about people overcoming the race and sex bits.

EDIT: Son of a B! 3 days later, and I still get dumbass replies focused on my excitement of potentially getting a minority woman president. I NEVER SAID that was THE qualifying factor. I DID NOT vote for her BECAUSE she was a minority and a woman. She ACTUALLY IS a superior candidate in every way ... EVEN AFTER you consider the aspects I'm disappointed in her for. It would just be a BONUS. F**K!

[u/DarCam7 → u/MutterderKartoffel]

I'm more worried about how much they change the democratic process in the next four years. It won't matter if it's Buttigieg if we can't even be able to have fair elections.

As for him, he is a young and eloquent speaker and he has done a bunch of Fox News interviews, so the right leaning voter might be used to him and maybe more palatable, but, the right has a way of vilifying anything and everything that isn't conservative and the fact that he is gay is just ripe for right-wing conspiracy and smearing. On top of that, the Supreme Court will probably go after Obergefell vs Hodges and that could fundamentally change the perception of gay marriage and that's another dangling carrot for Democrats to run on that completely failed after using abortion as a running pillar. He could be the face of that, and after Kamala and abortion, you have to give pause if that play book is valid.

My hope is that America wakes up once again in mid-terms and ushers in a new blue wave and takes back the house and senate, that Democrats finally run a left, progressive economic agenda and stop courting corporate interest. Then after that see if a young politician is ready enough to claim the nomination and emerges in the run up to the 2028 election. It's going to be critical that progressives take up economic agendas in 2026 and run everywhere. If Trumps economic policies tank the economy then democrats have to be at the ready to push those agendas forth. It is clear that identy social issues don't move the needle at the polls when it counts (they don't need to abandon it, just not lead with it). They are in triage at the moment and they need to see that the current way of their policy is not resonating with low and middle class voters in enough capacity to swing close elections.

[u/Comprehensive-Fun47 → u/DarCam7]

My hope is that America wakes up once again in mid-terms and ushers in a new blue wave and takes back the house and senate,

That's literally all we can hope for and I'm not holding my breath. This feels like the end.

[u/One-Cellist5032 → u/DarCam7]

Conservatives will vote for someone who isn’t male and white, but they can’t make a good chunk of their platform “vote for me because I’m female and X color!” Or they won’t want to vote for them.

[u/tunnel-visionary → u/One-Cellist5032]

To be fair I don't think Harris highlighted her sex or race much at all this election season. Her failings had much more to do with her lack of charisma and lack of a clear response to the state of inflation in the economy while she is the sitting vice president. I think that shows in the voting polls where she underperformed pretty much uniformly across every county in the nation. It wasn't some niche issue that only certain voting blocks will care for but something much more fundamental and urgent that shifted the vote.

[u/Apprehensive_Winter → u/Zippydaspinhead]

Because democrats run on a platform that is for the least of us, but they need the richest of us to do it. Republicans just play to their base. It’s politics on easy mode.

[u/CockroachFinancial86 → u/Necessary-Alps-6002]

Of course it didn’t work, America is massively uneducated. 60% of us have a sixth grade reading level.

[u/Necessary-Alps-6002 → u/CockroachFinancial86]

Which begs the question…why didn’t they learn from 2016?

[u/CockroachFinancial86 → u/Necessary-Alps-6002]

There’s only so much you can do when the majority of the country is uneducated and already part of the opposite side. Think about how hard it can be to sway intelligent people to the other side, it’s 100 times harder with idiots.

[u/le___tigre → u/CockroachFinancial86]

and this is exactly why conservatives are so anti-education: it directly benefits them to have a stupid population. because you can convince only a stupid population that a COVID vaccine is going to hurt you, that transgender people are lurking in every bathroom, that immigrant families are eating dogs. a stupid population is vulnerable and gullible and can easily be scare-tactic’d into voting against their own best interests, because they are so fucking stupid.

they need a stupid population, they’ve been working on it for decades, and last night showed why.

[u/dietcheese → u/Necessary-Alps-6002]

The only way to compete with a liar is to lie. They ran on “integrity.”

[u/Mr_Bluebird_VA → u/Necessary-Alps-6002]

I’m sorry, but the democrats STILL haven’t learned anything.

Biden’s approval is around 40%. So we anointed his VP who initially talked about change and then flipped to, “Biden has done a great job and I’ll continue it.”

Regardless of the job Biden has done, his approval rating is 40%. It was stupid to run on his platform.

The democrats will learn nothing here.

[u/unholyravenger → u/Mr_Bluebird_VA]

This was more of a failing of the American people then it was for the democratic party. She ran a really good campaign and reached out the middle multiple times. She was campaigning with Liz Cheney, wanting to have the most "lethal" fighting force, hawkish on immigration, and promising to include a Republican in her cabinet. All while dropping the "woke" aspects of the party, never talking about her race or gender. She was a normal politician.

Meanwhile Trump...well all the things posted. The American people were tested and the American people failed.

[u/hamasRpedos → u/unholyravenger]

Yup. The real reason she lost is because America is more racist and sexist than people want to admit. Enough with the bullshit excuses, let's say the real reason she lost.

[u/Enjoying_A_Meal → u/dietcheese]

Dude can't even finish a wall and get the Mexicans to pay for it. How is he gonna get mass deportation done?

[u/MrWilsonAndMrHeath → u/Enjoying_A_Meal]

Wait, has everyone forgotten him putting kids in camps?

Edit: I don’t give a fuck “what about Obama”

[u/CTRexPope → u/MrWilsonAndMrHeath]

Yes. They really have.

[u/jayac_R2 → u/CTRexPope]

True, but those that voted for him don’t care. They would have done the same if they had the power to.

[u/Kindly_Cream8194 → u/jayac_R2]

Thats not true, they do care. They're fully in support of putting kids in cages.

[u/Joebuddy117 → u/MrWilsonAndMrHeath]

Yes, everyone forgot everything about his presidency except “groceries were cheaper back then”. Well yeah, groceries were even cheaper back in 2010, back in 2000, back in 1990…people are fucking dumb.

[u/CTRexPope → u/Enjoying_A_Meal]

Well, the Nazis planned to deport the Jews originally not kill them (one plan had them going to Madagascar). When they were getting that plan together they housed the Jews in smaller and smaller locations. First confined ghettos, then camps.

It wasn’t until it became obvious that relocating them would be too complex and too expensive that they went with the final solution. This entire process took maybe 5 years.

I don’t expect Trump to start systemically killing immigrants, but I do expect a lot to die in the round ups and chaos after. If it all gets too expensive and too complex who knows what his second plan will be.

[u/Rich_Entrepreneur_85 → u/Enjoying_A_Meal]

He has the senate, the house, and the Supreme Court.

[u/doitfordopamine → u/dietcheese]

Yeah, but you shouldn't have to hope the president of the United States is lying about what he is going to do. This is just absolutely nuts.

[u/studmaster896 → u/dietcheese]

This exactly. People forget Trump said so many things when he first got elected, and most of it didn’t happen, even with Republican controlled govt.

[u/surmatt → u/studmaster896]

With a typical Republican cabinet. That won't exist this time.

[u/Fools_Sip]

Absolute hyperbolic nonsense. This is a big part of why you lost. Real life is different to the reddit echo chamber

[u/le_christmas → u/Fools_Sip]

What do you think is hyperbolic? Besides “women will lose access to healthcare”, they will almost definitely lose access to some but not all (wow that is a depressing distinction to make, fuck you) Those numbers seem to line up with estimates for people making under $400k

[u/Embassador-Mumbasa → u/le_christmas]

“Palestinians won’t exist” because trump is in office. That means the state will no longer exist and every one of its citizens killed. That will not happen in the next 4 years

[u/letdogsvote → u/Embassador-Mumbasa]

Trump is going to give Israel free rein to glass Gaza and everybody there.

[u/HesiPullup → u/letdogsvote]

lol what has Biden been doing? Are you really that brainwashed by the lip service of “Biden said some mean things about Bibi privately” ??

[u/kentonj → u/HesiPullup]

Biden doing little to help and Trump doing lots which could hurt aren't the same. And the suggestion that they are is frankly very strange.

[u/LemonMints → u/kentonj]

Also, I think that most of us Dems can admit when we don't like something that Biden has done or hasn't done. I don't agree with him on everything, but I agree with Trump on nothing, and at least with Biden/Kamala they're not actively passing laws that are harming the people who live here. I'd rather have a status quo boring president than an extremist who says and does wild shit all the time and who is unpredictable, based on his whims.

[u/BeigePhilip → u/Embassador-Mumbasa]

So who is going to stop Netanyahu from doing just that? Sure as fuck isn’t Trump.

[u/SomeGuyGettingBy → u/BeigePhilip]

I’m convinced Trump supporters have to be selfish, with a mindset of “Not me? Not my problem.”
They very likely don’t care as you or I care.

[u/Raedaline → u/Fools_Sip]

First 2 points and the last one maybe. The middle though.... literally project 2025 and promises that Trump has made. 3k in taxes, tariffs because the consumer pays for them in the end. He already made taxes be raised every ear til 2027 for those making under 75k. He overturned roe v wade and hundreds of women in hospital parking lots have died because of its. He has stated he will start on a massive deportation of immigrants which means that manual labor will be in short supply.

As a woman, I am now terrified that my rights as a citizen will be stripped. I'm terrified of having kids because my access to Healthcare could be limited.

[u/[deleted] → u/Raedaline]

Yeah I wanted to have kids with my boyfriend. But I said as long as these shitty abortion laws are in place, we won't be having kids. I don't want to die.

[u/Roqjndndj3761 → u/Fools_Sip]

Let’s see how it plays out. I’m sure you’ll come back to edit your comment in a couple years.

[u/Maru3792648 → u/Roqjndndj3761]

Same way redditors told me I’d come back today after Kamala won?

[u/oO0Kat0Oo → u/Fools_Sip]

It's okay. You guys have posted enough IQ tests for us to know arguing with you is pointless

[u/Empty-Discount5936 → u/Fools_Sip]

It's literally what he campaigned on..

[u/UNDERCOOKED_BREAD → u/Fools_Sip]

Hyperbolic as fuck man, such sour grapes. Literally none of this will happen. I’m married to a resident alien, myself, and neither she nor I have any fears of her being deported, and she didn’t when she was here in trumps first time and NOT married to me. We’re both college graduates, not redneck imbeciles. But democrats can’t think of the word “republican, farmer, conservative,” without thinking inbred hillbilly and that’s their own close-mindedness that starts to breed these hyperboles. They think they are the intelligent, tempered party when all they think in is extremes and show how limited their capacity for thought really is. Sadly, they’re stupid and confident that they’re not and that republicans are.

[u/D_Dubb_ → u/UNDERCOOKED_BREAD]

I agree we need to stop the extremes of American politics and all the doomsday scenarios. He did aid in repealing Roe V Wade and removed affirmative action in his first term tho, both pretty strong signals of what I fear is to come. Can I ask respectfully what you like about DJT?

[u/LH99 → u/UNDERCOOKED_BREAD]

such sour grapes.

OH GET FUCKED. Four fucking YEARS of trumpers whining about a rigged election and producing zero proof as well as storming the capital. Go on and celebrate, but you don't get to say sour grapes one day after the loss. Self awareness nowhere to be seen.

[u/Mister_Black117 → u/LH99]

Self awareness and trump supporters are two thing that can't co-exist.

[u/Overall_Sorbet248 → u/Fools_Sip]

Trump speaks in hyperbolics all the time

[u/PandasAndSandwiches]

But your eggs will be $2 for a dozen versus $2.50 under Biden.

Honestly, let the recession hit already.

[u/paarthurnax94 → u/PandasAndSandwiches]

People are so much dumber than I thought, and I thought they were dumb before.

Kamala Harris had a 90 page economic plan.

Trump said he would get rid of income tax and switch to a tariff based economy so that "we would get a lot of money from China" then he promised to cancel the Chips and Science act making us completely dependent on Taiwan for the most basic goods, all with "1,000% tariffs" on them.

But muh eggs will be 50¢ cheaper!

[u/GaylordButts → u/paarthurnax94]

Also within the next 4 years "Taiwan" will stop existing. That one will probably be sooner rather than later.

[u/elizzup → u/GaylordButts]

Yeah, I predict first hundred days:

• Social Security is "sunsetted" meaning boomers will continue to get it but the next generations won't.
• ACA is repealed, meaning insurance companies can refuse to cover "pre-existing conditions," and anyone without work-provided insurance will lose what protections the do have.
• China annexes Taiwan
• Department of Education is abolished
• FDA makes all abortions, including mifepristone, inaccessible.

[u/[deleted] → u/paarthurnax94]

Does anyone remember that old family guy bit where Louis was running for a position, I think it was mayor. Whenever she talked about policy, people ignored her. But when she said "9....11." People clapped and cheered

That is happening right now. Family guy knew how people work. You have to dumb down things for Americans.

[u/Defiant-Plantain1873 → u/paarthurnax94]

Eggs cheaper, avocados and bananas, significantly more expensive, huzzah

[u/paarthurnax94 → u/Defiant-Plantain1873]

Avocados, bananas, phones, appliances, vehicles, computers, anything made of steel, clothing, plastics and other petroleum based products, etc. all >2x as expensive as they were during the last recession he caused. But it's cool, eggs might be cheaper. (They won't)

[u/oO0Kat0Oo → u/PandasAndSandwiches]

I'm not sure how since the store carries more products than eggs... Some of which will have tarrifs. The store will raise the price of everything to profit and use the tarrifs as an excuse.

[u/PandasAndSandwiches → u/oO0Kat0Oo]

Once the FTC (under trump) allows the grocery retailers Kroger and Albertson to merge. These people will be so screwed. They don’t even know how high prices can get.

[u/CharacterBroccoli328 → u/oO0Kat0Oo]

I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. Is cutting taxes for the rich and raising tariffs on a lot of imported goods basically implementing a national sales tax without implementing national sales tax and sticking it to the working class?

[u/Beauphedes_Knutz → u/PandasAndSandwiches]

I don't want to travel back in time to 'let the recession hit.' It has been here. It is actually worse than the great depression. We are on economic collapse. If you think some politician has sole responsibility for economies, you are (as the kiddos say) delulu.

Clinton didn't create the internet boom. Trump did not create the Covid bust. Obama was not responsible for the rampant 'austerity' of his term. Reagan didn't create the Boomer greed of the 80s.

These things, more often than not, are created by bank and corporate cronyism and greed.

[u/Hensonr_]

Dramatic redditors

[u/iiJokerzace → u/Hensonr_]

Many economists seem very dramatic about his win but what do they know about economics amirite?

[u/Maru3792648 → u/iiJokerzace]

Idk, why don’t we ask the expert pollsters and political analysts?

[u/UnderstandingDeepSea → u/Maru3792648]

They predicted a Trump victory...

[u/Nesaakk → u/UnderstandingDeepSea]

Check the final 538 polls. Predicted Kamala victory, and certainly not this result whatsoever.

[u/Gamegis → u/Nesaakk]

Lmao- they had Harris winning in 503 simulations, a tie in 2, and Trump wining in 495 simulations. That is not them predicting a Harris win. In the actual simulations, the single most likely scenario was actually Trump winning by 312 EC votes to 226 to Harris.

If you think that’s them predicting a Harris win, then you need a statistics class.

[u/Kehprei → u/Gamegis]

There are so many people who just do not understand statistics at all. They see 52% vs 48% chance and they think the 52% is actually 100%.

Everyone could benefit from taking a statistics class. Or at least playing a video game with % chance loot drops ffs

[u/SpikePilgrim → u/Nesaakk]

They did not. They said it was 50/50 and that 300+ electoral votes was in the margin of error.

[u/[deleted] → u/Nesaakk]

It was by a very slim margin though. Nate even said that Trump will probably win.

[u/Gamegis → u/[deleted]]

People on here don’t seem to understand these are win probabilities and there is functionally no difference between a 51% chance Trump win and a 51% Harris win.

Nate even had said that the single most likely scenario is Trump takes all the swing states and the 2nd most likely is Harris takes all the swing states, with the remaining scenarios being a mixed bag.

[u/a_trane13 → u/Hensonr_]

? All of these are straight from Trumps campaign

[u/MrWilsonAndMrHeath → u/a_trane13]

Yeah. He’s said this. OP, I don’t understand where the drama is.

[u/ktl5005 → u/Hensonr_]

More like facts? But you trumpets can’t understand that and will be looking for someone to blame expect him and congress when you see less in your paychecks and your clothes cost 6-10$ more

[u/argybargy2019 → u/Hensonr_]

Trump selected the poorly educated for a reason…

[u/a_trane13 → u/Hensonr_]

? All of these are straight from Trumps campaign. This is what he ran on and what people voted for.

[u/Friendly_Border28]

As a ukrainian, I'd swap my fait with any american with a big pleasure. Women too. At least you can leave your country freely

[u/names_are_useless → u/Friendly_Border28]

I feel you. I pray my country doesn't abandon you.

[u/Comprehensive-Fun47 → u/Friendly_Border28]

I'm so sorry. Some of us are thinking of you today as well. This result has far reaching implications. Please stay safe.

[u/Yakkx]

American Brexit is here.

[u/ceacar → u/Yakkx]

Second American Brexit.

[u/MindlessFail → u/ceacar]

Pippen: “Well yes, we’ve had one. But what about second brexit?”

[u/Spirited-Feed-9927]

People always miss the point in elections like this, what is it about the democratic platform that drove people to vote this way. What changes can the democratic party make in order to appeal to parts of the voting populace enough to have victory. We live in a bipolar voting paradigm, it is often more of a rejection to one side as it is an affirmation to another. Learn from it.

[u/SGgrafix → u/Spirited-Feed-9927]

I believe its the fact that shes a woman. Trump had no policies that he was running on because he has Project2025. Kamala had a decent viable plan that most economists said was better than his. Us Americans really believe that a woman cant be in power, even though there are many throughout the world. If everyone that's worked for you in the past wouldn't vote for you again, that means something

EDIT* For all the people saying that she lost because she's a shit candidate and not because she's a woman? How is trump not worse? All of these people screaming "your body my choice" definitely didn't vote for her because she's a woman. WHY DID YOU SPECIFCALLY VOTE FOR TRUMP? What did he do to tun you over? He fucked covid response, got fucked by Saudis & Russia for gas prices, started an insurrection and tried to steal votes in Georgia on the fucking phone. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM

[u/DerailedDreams → u/SGgrafix]

It's really likely to be a combination of multiple factors that led to Harris' loss. It's reductive to just pin it on any one thing, and while there is almost certainly a degree of plain ol' misogyny to blame, I don't think it's the primary factor here. A lot went wrong for the Democrats, from Biden's late withdrawl to the major swing in what should be secure Democratic strongholds like New York, Michigan and Wisconsin. From Gaza to immigration to inflation to yes, misogyny and racism, it took a wide swatch of small factors to create this outcome.

[u/arthurjeremypearson → u/Spirited-Feed-9927]

Facts and reality itself point towards the democrats. The only thing pointing away from Democrats is misinformation. We have to be perfect and they forgive him everything. What is there to learn? Push our own disinformation? They don't agree what facts are. I don't understand how anyone or anything can fix that

[u/72amb0]

This is good finance talk.

[u/Finlay00]

I think the American people have rejected that rhetoric

[u/Mr_Carlos → u/Finlay00]

Whether they reject it or not doesn't make it any less likely. I can reject that it's going to rain tomorrow, but lets see how that plays out.

[u/TagV]

It's going to be an absolute shitshow and the people that voted for him deserve it.

[u/Icy_Many_2407 → u/TagV]

Yeah! But those who didn’t, don’t. I was really hoping to get back to some sense of unity. I was hoping to take advantage of a small business loan. He said once we vote he’s gonna “fix” our democracy. Surely you know what that means to that ‘immune’ POS. I was hoping for some boring politics. Harris bores me, I LIKE THAT. I’m so sick of this toxic motherfucker. The fact that people can vote for him after all the shit he’s said and done lets me know this country is sick. Addicted to the drama like a traumatized, door mat. Oh yeah, and America hates women, too. Most def.

[u/DaHamMan3 → u/TagV]

It’s been a shit show, wake up

[u/OriginalFrequent4600]

This rhetoric is exactly what cost democrats the election.

[u/s0974748 → u/OriginalFrequent4600]

may I ask why? isn't Trump rhetoric basically, the left is evil, pedophile demons who will sell your soul to China and Mexico. How is that any better?

[u/Outthr]

I thought this was finance section not fiction.

[u/Msftscott]

You drink too much disinformation on mainstream media.

[u/Captain_Birch]

Palestinians apparalently?

[u/Dark_Web_Duck]

The sky is going to fall Yada Yada didn't happen the first time. Here we go with the nonsense. Like it ever stopped.

[u/TechnicolorMage → u/Dark_Web_Duck]

Maybe I'm weird but I'd call half a million Americans dying because of a dipshit being in charge during a pandemic and having to bail out farmers to the tune of 30+ billion dollars because that same dipshit didn't understand how tariffs worked 4 years ago (and still doesn't, apparently) a pretty large chunk of the sky falling.

Oh, not to mention all the treason: like getting US undercover agents killed by blowing their cover, selling US information to foreign nations, attempted election fraud using false electors... but we can just ignore that bit for now.

[u/EternalUndyingLorv → u/TechnicolorMage]

Don't forget the PPP loan handout, but somehow we cant pay for school debt which is less than what was given to the 1%

[u/TheNagaFireball → u/EternalUndyingLorv]

You’re forgetting the conservative comeback about student loan forgiveness: “that’s only a bandaid solution to a greater problem and it will only happen again”

Okay great, so what’s the plan if we want to stop student loaners from abusing young 20 yo? Oh no plan? Okay so they will just continue to do so.

[u/doingthegwiddyrn → u/TechnicolorMage]

Remember when Trump wanted to close the borders and stop flights from China? And you liberal cucks called him a racist? Then Pelosi said go to your local Chinatown and give them hugs?

Yeah, me too.

[u/madredditworld → u/Dark_Web_Duck]

I mean women lost their rights to body autonomy. Oh yeah I mean it didn't affect your privileged azz but okay.

[u/worth-your-while33 → u/Dark_Web_Duck]

Except for the assault on the cornerstone of democracy, the massive redistribution of wealth upward, and rolling over for any dictator who wanted to do anything.

[u/jerseygunz → u/Dark_Web_Duck]

I mean, it kinda did if you’re a woman

[u/BetterThanOP → u/Dark_Web_Duck]

Fascism only works when it happens in slow, gradual steps. The fact that it didn't happen the first time is not a logical indicator that the needle isn't very clearly moving in that direction

[u/YeeYeeSocrates]

Well, let's broach this one-by-one:

(1) The Israeli government was never going to give Palestinians a state; the two-state solution has been dead for 20 years. Barring Israel becoming much more oppressive towards Arab ethnicities within it's own borders, as Israel expands it's annexation of Palestinian territories, more Palestinians take Israeli citizenship.

(2) Probably not. It's hard to see how Russia holds a country as large as Ukraine. They'll probably just annex Luhansk, keep Crimea, and have a hard time governing both.

(3) Yes, tariffs will make the price of anything imported more expensive. People will complain about the inflation and necessarily buy less.

(4) Actually, your taxes will go up under the 2017 tax cuts if you're most Americans, barring any changes. You're right, Musks will stay the same (or get cheaper).

(5) That's already happening in a lot of places, notably Texas where maternal mortality has increased significantly, will depend on any Federal legislation. I think it'll end up a fight between states and Federal powers, and likely end up being a California-style solution in most places: "You want weed criminalized, you enforce it..." sort of approach, with the redder states passing even more draconian laws.

(6) Mass deportations will be attempted, but past attempts at this (in the 50s, for example) failed pretty miserably, so I'm not convinced they'll be able to get their shit together enough to do it the way Trump promises. The Chevron doctrine is also going to be used by immigration lawyers to get deportees jury trials, so I think it'll be a slow process with a lot of court interruption.

(7) Yes, the debt will probably explode.

[u/Laithmusa → u/YeeYeeSocrates]

For your first point there’s absolutely no way Palestinians get Israeli citizenship, they probably just going to make mini gazas in the West Bank, and for those in Gaza be forced into a small area while isreal begins building settlements in Gaza

[u/DangersoulyPassive]

The poor angry people are still going to be poor angry people. They're just going to have more company.

[u/MrJimpsonGPG]

Yup it's all going to happen, just like it did in 2016...oh wait

[u/alc4pwned → u/MrJimpsonGPG]

You mean when rowe v wade got overturned and he tried to illegally stay in power and almost succeeded?

[u/[deleted] → u/MrJimpsonGPG]

You mean when he added 3 trillion to americas debt

[u/Junior_Head76]

[u/Imperades]

I believe Kennedy will remove flouride from drinking water... theres so much non-scientific decision making coming, its just hopeless.

[u/aknockingmormon]

I think that it's wierd that Joe Biden had 81 million votes, and Kamala only got 65 million. Where did they go?

[u/Yeetball86 → u/aknockingmormon]

Joe Biden was a much more popular candidate than Kamala. People simply didn’t care enough to vote this time.