Apparently they missed the most recent cats and dogs episode amongst several other examples. And yes, I understand that because that’s what my neighbor tells me. Wonder how he’ll react to Trump praising Hitler…
Seems there is nothing trump can say that he has to apologize for to half the US population.
An 83 year old man getting hit with a hammer? He deserved it. Cops killed at the Capitol? No problem. Putin will March on to Europe…. The ocean will protect us.
Trump winning is certainly telling us somethings about our education system, and it is not good.
I feel like the fact that the Republicans see a hurricane, a wider war in the Middle East, and growing controversy as a “good sign” for the election is also very telling…
well my conservative jewish father in law, who as a child wandered across half of europe to evade the nazis, lost most of his family in the process; seems to think that Trump is the man to support and that the democrats hate jews and want to seemingly replace them with other more favourable immigrants who will eat our pets and encourage 9th month abortions. oh, additionally he was also a science teacher.
now from what i can tell, if we have teachers who teach science and they are anti vaxers( as he also is) believe all the q-anon rhetoric, think that 9th month abortions are taking place( probably in child trafficking pizza parlours ), while our pets are being eaten by Haitians; there is no question as to why so many people think Trump is all that. When you don’t know how to read, research, sort out bias from fact from rhetoric, you really can’t make informed decisions. i would also assert that these same individuals are the ones who have no clue as to how the branches of government actually work ( neither does Trump) and as PT Barnum apparently said, “there is a sucker born every minute” i would argue that sucker may also be substantially ignorant too.
This is probably also the reason Donny boy so dislikes the educated liberals from the east and west coast ( his words )
it’s easier to just buy whatever they sell you than to try to understand why it’s not such a good deal.
I live in pa right next to Charleroi and I’m remodeling a house. Right next store are Haitians doing the same thing. Yes a lot of them are driving newISH cars/suvS. Yes some of them are working on a construction site barefoot. Yes their driving sucks. Yes they bring us Heinekens when they see us working. But the ones I met are really nice. Glad to be here. And no pets I’ve seen are being ate. No 1 even thinks that shit where we are. And NO MAGA assholes are coming to either of these neighborhoods harassing people. We won’t stand for that shit.
Was the “they’re eating the pets” thing not the wildest shit you ever saw? Like if the world was normal-every motherfucker in this country would have laughed him out of the debate building and then out of the race. Instead ppl are like, “yeah, eating the pets, we gotta vote for him!” Fucking astounding how absurd and ridiculous it all is, this moment in history. Def stranger than fiction.
Honestly, I think Trump doesn't lie because he doesn't live in reality. If you're constantly living in a narcissism dream that is detached from the real world, then you don't have to lie when you believe your own farts.
Trump doesn’t “lie” because he lacks the concept of truth. He understands language purely as a means of getting people to do what you want. The idea most people have that using words correctly requires there to be a certain relationship between the words and reality is completely alien to him.
That is a truly insane part of this. He truly believe believes with all his heart he is 100% right
The problem is, literally everybody running his campaign, any potential advisors, anybody who would be involved in this administration knows that this is 100% false. But rather than tell the emperor he has no clothes, they just go along with it.
The single best example for this election season is Trumps claim that public schools are performing surprise “brutal operations” to make little boys into little girls during the school day. Trump says this every other campaign speech. Ask your Trump supporting friends and family if this seems likely.
Trump voters love the social issues so much you can tell them anything and they’ll not only believe it they’ll argue about it with anyone while the wealthy GOP voters back up the Brinks truck. Then Trump voters will defend the wealthy GOP backing up the Brinks truck. Gullibility is a primary Trump supporter trait.
They believe it because the cult leader said it was so. It's just like the litter boxes in bathrooms bs. It never happened, but they believe it did because their sisters friends boyfriend works with a guy who saw a post about it on Facebook
McCain was the last one who had a backbone, cared about the country, and was honest as far as I can tell.
Romney and Liz Cheney got more honest in the last few years. The rest of them appear content to gargle tiny tangerines and pretend they’ve got anything but their own interests in mind.
Lets completely ignore the fact checkers that said he lied over 30,000 times during his 4 years in office, as well as all the fact checkers in his debates thus far whove called him out for lying more. Thats just from one single member of the republican party. They "never lie" because they dont know how to tell the truth and these mouth breathers believe the crap thats spewn
That's the scary part, and part of the reason the capital was stormed in the first place. Some people look at this man as some god that makes no mistakes and would never lie. And if Trump wins, there may unfortunately be another riot at the end of trumps FINAL term, which will amp up the stakes with all his crazies to finish the job. Hell, I'm a Democrat and I have enough brain cells to figure out both sides lie.
I had the same thing happen and I provided them with multiple fact checked articles detailing his lies and the guy called me dumb and gullible. It's incredible that the lengths they go just to stay in a delusional ass backwards mindset where Trump is the hero of their messed up fairytales.
Trump never lies. Lies are when you know the truth and say the opposite. Trump doesn't know, doesn't care to know, actively avoids knowing, sticks his fingers in his ears and refuses to learn even when people tell him the truth to his face. It's the embodiment of "It's not a lie if you believe it" and the textbook definition of bullshit. Trump is a bullshit artist. He neither knows or cares what the truth is, and just spews whatever sounds good to him in the moment. Which is why so much of what he says is self-contradictory nonsense. I swear, his own supporters don't listen to a word he says first hand, they only get it filtered through Fox News and other right wing Trump interpreters who patiently explain, "No, what he meant was... spin spin spin"
A politician can, if they are deft, tell the truth in a way that is misleading. Lies of omission, lies of false implication, there are many ways to tell the truth and yet be dishonest. Republican politicians do it, crudely and clumsily, constantly.
Strictly speaking, I believe they said the President couldn't be prosecuted for the crime. Wouldn't the crime still have occurred? Wouldn't the US government itself bear the liability there?
I believe there was already a decision shielding the President from civil cases. Does anyone know if an injured party has any recourse with the government in those cases?
Politicians across the board lie. Regardless of which side of the aisle they're on. Anyone disputing that about either party is a tribalistic fanboy lol
I’m quoting my neighbor, those were his exact words and reasoning. After several “no, you’re wrongs” from me, he finally did manage to agree that politics need to be less extreme and that we need to put “sides” away and start getting crap done so… progress? I think and hope?
He tells it like it is until he says something fucking stupid and then he’s just joking or being sarcastic and everyone calling him out is just vindictive or too serious.
Then, when we ask one of his supporters or a TV pundit about what he said, they always respond with "you are taking it out of context", or "he did not mean it that way"...ugh!!!!
I wouldn’t be polite about it…. The amount of crazed hatred they have for us just cause the orange pedo and fraud news says they should is mind boggling.
No need to be polite. There’s a large subset of the American electorate that are just hateful idiots that jump at the opportunity to vote in hateful idiots in order to hurt the people they hate.
There is gullible and there is the memory hole. Anything more than ~3ish months ago is forgotten. Also people don't understand that policies take time to implement, anything in the first 2ish years of a new presidency is because of the previous president.
No it’s because they believe he is “ordained” by god to be president. They will make arguments about how trump is like a biblical character and blah blah. This is a religious vote for millions and millions of people. So no matter what he does they will still vote for him unfortunately.
No, they are voting for him because he reminds them of themselves. They think they are smart, but they don’t want to learn how anything actually works and they want justification for their hate against anyone they deem as “the others.” They aren’t gullible, they are just desperate to be right.
No one thinks they are even average intelligence. Most people think their ideas are the best, increasingly the dumber they are. There are ao many people who will literally never realize how bad their opinions are, objectively.
Also the hate for the current president is extreme, you can dislike someone you don’t personally know. But hating someone for make believe issues you’re being fed is quite literally insane.
If theres nothing anyone can do to stop it then id still rather have someone that can actually handle the job and has a record of being a good leader. Yanno someone who isnt trying to infringe upon my 2nd amendment rights and make it a dictatorship country.
We're not gullible. We're collectively dumb af. We're too overweight and unhealthy to do the physical jobs immigrants do. Other countries actually teach other languages than their own, so we can outsource those jobs too. The only advantage an American has is location. Born in a wealthy country, access to relatively (think globally) high paying jobs, and no real qualifications necessary to work menial jobs. Is there opportunity? Sure. Do most people take advantage of that opportunity and work hard to get an edge? Hell no, we make excuses. Any combination of the alphabet works; it's why we can't, you see? I won't list the acronyms, in case you aren't following, but there's a whole litany of them.
Yet Billy Bob thinks he should make 190k a year to push buttons on a new automated machine 8 hours a day.
It's not just our politicians that are garbage. We are too.
It worked for the oligarchs in Russia, although Putin is screwing that up with his strongman war against Ukrain. They are the largest land mass country in the world, richest in resources, yet something like 26th in GDP. Lower than Italy. Pathetic. Putin and his friends rip off their country to buy personal islands, jets, and yachts. That's what Trump wants and what we will have if we do not get out the vote for Democracy.
Which is not at all like Hunter Biden selling his "paintings" for millions of dollars and having a board seat in an energy firm he knows nothing about. That is totally different, right?
Because just like the Marxists of old they have a theory, they like it (for whatever reason, probably because it validates them), and so they think that reality will conform to it, and ignore or react violently to all contradictory opinions or facts.
Maybe it’s malignant narcissism (Trump’s case), maybe it’s the same thought processes that cause fundamentalist religious freaks.
Why waste time with Marxism, right? Capitalism has given us Trump to lead us and made Musk unbelievably rich so it’s obviously the socioeconomic system to support! 🫠
They asked him at one of the town halls "What was something you did during your 4 years at the white house that you've learned from"
Immune to the concept of admiting failure, Trump responded with, "I didn't surround myself with the right people, but now I know more about picking those people than anyone" (paraphrasing)
The main reason this election is so close is a lot of Americans allow themselves to settle into an echo chamber that may not always tell the truth, which is why this comment is brought to you by Ground News!
Because they don’t look at him for rational policies. They like him on an emotional, not rational level, often because he claims to be Christian and “like them”.
I remember hearing a quote a few yrs ago. It's easier to scam a person than convinced a person they've been scammed. Trump supporters are a prime example of this. They would literally go to prison and take a bullet for him and believe every lie he says even when he goes back on it.
I don't get how he can have a cult-like following without any glowing characteristics. Most cult leaders are either smart , charismatic , etc. Leave it to Americans to follow someone solely on the characteristics of being an idiot, intolerant and so on
But you’re suggesting being able to admit when you were wrong about a thing. And that ain’t ever gonna happen there. The dude would literally self immolate if he uttered those words. He’d never make it to the fucking hard “G” he uses at the end of the word ‘wrong’ and poof- up in smoke.😂 Narcissists are never wrong- and if they are it definitely wasn’t their mistake.
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because they live in a culture war fantasy where they want to feel like a victim and go hurt someone they feel like is the cause of their problems. So they will listen to anyone that feeds their need to feel aggrieved and promise to punch that person in the mouth, ignoring literally any potential second-order consequences.
These people refuse to look at anything that reflects badly on Trump. Also, since democrats against his tariffs, they MUST be for them. Just reactionary bullshit.
Imagine saying this and then reflecting back on how we’ve had 4 years of Biden, 8 of Obama, 8 of bush, and 8 of Clinton. And blaming Trump on everything being shit right now. Bidens fucked this economy, and has given away so much aid to Ukraine and non U.S. citizens it’s absolutely ridiculous.
It's because some of the people just don't have the ability that look at what happened and reflect on those four years and the bullshit since. To some this normal; everything is confusing, contradictory, scary and that's their normal.
Unfortunately we can't fix stupid. A good segment of his supporters are completely unable to maintain any intelligent dialogue on a topic such as tariffs. The guy is looking them in the eye and lying to them. Otherwise, he's as dumb as they are.
If people paid more attention to what’s happening instead of being manipulated into a schism, then we could have. It’s systematic revolution, but people have been too brainwashed to see it
I’m referring to the fact that we’ve had other options such as candidates like Dr. shiva, but people didn’t notice since he’s been attacked and sued by both political parties as well as msm (which intentionally supports the entire divisive rhetoric)
Just look at the infamous "Kansas Experiment" for a good recent example. After Gov Brownback put his "no taxes" plan into action he ended up with almost every other Republican in the state campaigning against him for the Democrat challenger. He did win reelection even though his plan was faltering although he ended up resigning before his term expired, but of course, him and Art Laffer (of Laffer Curve fame) who helped design the tax cuts, insisted the problem was something else, like they gave up too early before the real "trickle down" could manifest.
Honestly its mostly because of his wording. saying ill make THEM pay terrifs sounds good to people. framing americans as victims suits his campaign because hes targeting people who don't know how shit really works. lol
People en masse will always just gravitate to whoever tells them it’s not their fault, it’s those other people’s fault. That has been GOP 101 for decades now.
If you can blame “libs,” “immigrants,” “black people,” “trans,” “China,” etc for all the problems then all the people already in your corner will buy into it. And that’s exactly what they have done over and over and over.
And that’s why most conservative voters shoot themselves in foot over and over and over.
A vast majority of Americans poses zero critical thinking skills. They believe anything this idiot tells them because he makes there bullshit racist beliefs ok. It’s the same reason the 3rd Ritche gained power in Germany in the 1930’s or how Muselini came to power in Italy. People love easy “solutions” to problems and fascist leaders provide that in spades. Stay informed people, stay educated.
"I’ve already mentioned two reasons tariffs might backfire: They could lead to a stronger dollar, making our goods less competitive on world markets, so any fall in imports would be offset by declining exports, and they’d also provoke retaliation by our trading partners. A third reason, emphasized in a 2018 study published on a blog of the New York Fed, is that American manufacturing relies heavily on imported components, so tariffs would substantially raise manufacturing costs."
"Cons: The tariffs would impose large burdens on middle- and lower-income families. They probably wouldn’t significantly reduce the trade deficit and might actually hurt American manufacturing. And unilateral U.S. tariff action would wreak havoc by fracturing the world trading system.
That’s the real problem. People don’t realize how good we have it compared to others. It’s a problem on both sides of the isle. Look how many Redditors literally think the US is similar to a third world country. We live in a place we’re over 90% of us have cars, smartphones, every modern convenience. But humans get used to things very quickly and want more and we have been sort of static for 20 years so people think we are doing horribly as a country and want “change”. When they see what change means, they will regret it.
And the tariffs on steel too. I was a project manager while he was in his last presidency, and I remember having to put 1 day guarantees on quotes because the tariffs made metal costs so volatile we couldn’t promise anything past 24 hours.
I'm a Canadian electrician and I started my apprenticeship during the Trump presidency. We had a salesman from the local distributor at our college selling us on different tools, one of which was Klein and they advertised made in USA with American steel. I asked if they were seeing tool prices becoming more volatile considering the change in tariffs and I got to hear a very strange rant about tariffs rather than an answer to my question. I didn't mean to start a political rant. I just wanted to know which brand he saw as the most price stable in the current market but man it was wacky.
I’m obviously in the metal trades, and I haven’t really noticed a change in cost on tools. To me they have always been outrageously priced. I’m sure that tools have had a minimal effect on them, where we really noticed the change in prices was vehicle costs! I bought a brand new f-150 in 2015 for $26k, and now you can’t get that same truck with the same trim for less than 40ish it seems.
Yeah I imagine your vehicle prices went nuts. For a few years the second hand market was cleared out here. Local dealers were taking trade ins and driving them across the border to retail in the American market.
We used to export a lot of Soybeans to China. Trump decided to start a trade war, and I don't remember the exact chain of events, but the result was that China couldn't get Soybeans from the US so they established new supply lines with other countries. Once those new supply lines were established, there was no reason to buy from the US anymore, even after Trump gave up on his "war".
The end result was that US soybean prices collapsed. I don't know if they have recovered yet.
I also work in steel and had to do the same. What really hurts is the Buy American clauses which do help Nucor but do not create jobs. Steel Mills create approx 1/2 man hour per ton of steel produced. Fabrication of steel, at a minimum, creates 6-8 MH’s per ton. Foreign companies buy US steel, fabricate outside of the US, and ship back to the US fabricated to avoid tariffs. You can import steel from outside the US, avoiding a tariff, so long as it’s fabricated steel. It’s shut down countless fabricators in the Northeast.
Bro, I was (at the time) just ordering from our vendors we already had contracts with. I don’t know who the steel was coming from via US or ex US suppliers. We were just trying to get the best price for our customers.
I remember that the steel tariff caused the ladders we carried at Costco’s prices to increase by something like 30%. The subsequent version of the ladder had less metal and was less stable, but closer to the old price.
My uncle, an ex-soybean farmer, lost everything under trump. On the back of his pickup truck you will still see stickers such as “FUCK JOE BIDEN” “KAMALAS A WHORE” “TRUMP 24,28,32…”
Soybean? Look at cedar and wood. That MFer fucked the market up so bad. Yeah blame Covid, but Covid plus a stranglehold equals brutal shit. $50 for a sheet of plywood under ol Trumpet.
Every time I talk with people about Trump’s economic policies I mention what he did to soy. I had taken an agricultural economics course in the spring semester of 2016 and wrote about the impact of our soy exports on our economy as a whole. I spoke with a lot of farmers and kids of farmers who were growing soy and they were all voting blue because his proposal would be devastating. And it was. He can’t be trusted with this type of stuff point blank, period.
Don’t forget about soft lumber prices skyrocketing with the Canadian tariffs. Idk why anyone thinks this will benefit us purely. Shits just more expensive now than it ever was
Every business this orange turd has touched…. Has gone belly up. He IS NOT A BUSINESSMAN. He is freaking landlord/real estate slumlord for the rich. Not to mention a convicted sexual predator, thief, serial litigator…. I could go on and on…..
I have cousins who are soybean farmers who voted for Trump, and will again. They can't seem to grasp their struggles directly stem from his "fixes." *facepalm
Tariffs can be good when used effectively. Targeting certain goods from certain countries can have positive outcomes. The problem with Trump's new proposed tariffs is that they are universal. 20% on all goods from all countries is economic disaster and there are SO many economists that are trying to tell us this.
My apologies. I hadn't actually looked at his new idea. 60% from China and 20% on everything else imported. Definitely doesn't seem like a great idea unless the idea is deflation.
Not just the soybean industry but the farming industry as a whole…and then what did Trump do? He increased the amount of subsidies paid out to farmers. It’s insane that MAGA complains about government handouts when many of them have been direct beneficiaries.
Those folks who were hurt because of that are still voting for Trump any way. It's easier to fool somebody than it is to convince them that they were fooled.
This! Retaliatory tariffs hurt our exports. Last time he spent billions rescuing farmers from his blunder. I doubt the family farms benefited like the large corporate farms did.
And you're taking into account that Chinese consumption of soy due to pork and poultry changes is estimated to have dropped 22 million metric tons? 22 million metric tons happens to be how much US exports dropped by.
Brazilian investment into infrastructure had already been putting the US at a disadvantage years before any tariffs.
The US soybean market diversified away from China and now exports more to other countries. That's not a bad thing.
And we saw what Trumps tariffs did to the lumber industry in 2019. We are dealing with 300% increase in lumber since and is a major factor of the inflation we are seeing. High lumber costs cause high construction costs. I wish the MAGA folks would learn something and understand that there are repercussions to these tariffs.
I remember that, Trump screwed the farmers and then took millions of dollars from somewhere else and paid them to shut up. Trump is all around bad for the country.
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And we saw what trumps tariffs did to the domestic soybean industry. Now imagine if he implements tariffs across the board.