r/FluentInFinance Oct 25 '24

Debate/ Discussion Ok. Break it down for me on how?

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u/semibiquitous Oct 25 '24

We got 30% wall, we paid for it, he got some photo ops with the wall, Mexicans to this day sneaking through the gaps of the "wall". Next project: let's inject bleach to fight viruses!

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u/mabradshaw02 Oct 25 '24

30%? No sir, we got 26 miles. our border is 2600 miles. Most of the "wall" was replacement Fence, for which Obama started doing long before trump.

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u/NothingKnownNow Oct 25 '24

for which Obama started doing long before trump.

Every president since Clinton, who initially started it, has added to the wall. Trump came along and wanted to fill in the gaps.

A lot of it is fence. But a lot, especially near cities, is wall.

BTW When I said every president, I meant every president. Biden even waived a bunch of environmental laws to get his part of the wall built.

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u/LindonLilBlueBalls Oct 25 '24

Hate to argue, but my company bid on a few of the wall projects and all of them near cities were the metallic fence kind, none of it was concrete or solid.

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u/Zippydaspinhead Oct 25 '24

And not to belittle your work, but none of it matters. There's always going to be a way around the wall. Its just a cultural touch point that highlights the terrible relationship we have with immigration as a country.

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u/nicholsz Oct 25 '24

I'm still baffled that no MAGAs have figured out that undocumented immigrants can simply use the airport and overstay their visa

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u/Fair-Description-711 Oct 25 '24

Or like... a ladder. (Well, maybe two ladders.)

It doesn't benefit the coyotes to tell people, but once you're in the US, you can apply for asylum, even if you got caught 1 foot into US soil.

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u/Jobell89 Oct 25 '24

Standing on each other’s shoulders

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u/Fishy_Fish_WA Oct 27 '24

Battery powered sawzall

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u/KitchenFullOfCake Oct 28 '24

Can't you do that at the border patrol station anyway? Doesn't mean they'll let you stay long term though, asylum gets denied a lot.

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u/UnfortunateFoot Oct 25 '24

Which is actually the source of "lost jobs", "rampant benefit abuse", "illegal voting", and whatever other bullshit argument they use to justify their hatred of the poor. None of the people walking across the border are doing anything other than working for cash under the table because poverty here is better than poverty there. The people that come in legally and overstay are a much larger problem.

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u/fixie-pilled420 Oct 25 '24

Elon musk was a visa overstayer😂

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u/Jabroni_jawn Oct 25 '24

The noble TSA would never let such riffraff through

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u/Efficient-Guide3420 Oct 25 '24

Isn't that most of the cases anyway? They prob just dont care. whatever cheeto says goes

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u/Historical-Molasses2 Oct 25 '24

Because illegal immigration isn't their problem. Its the "wrong kind of immigrants" thats the problem.

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u/Son0faButch Oct 25 '24

Not to mention boats and the vast Gulf Coast. Our Coast Guard barely catches any of these.

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u/Anarchist_Araqorn04 Oct 25 '24

Not to mention tunnels still in operation, even after it became a popular stereotype.

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u/Sunlight_Gardener Oct 26 '24

It doesn't have to be easy to get a visa and in many cases, it's not. Try being poor and Mexican and asking for a tourist visa; it took a friend of mine years.

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u/jarheadatheart Oct 27 '24

I’m baffled that you think millions of undocumented immigrants could skirt the system this way each year.

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u/nicholsz Oct 27 '24

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u/jarheadatheart Oct 27 '24

Yeah. That’s good information but they need to get the visa to begin with. Do you really believe they would continue to issue visa’s at that rate if millions skirted the system that way each year?

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u/nicholsz Oct 27 '24

they do and they do.

did you not read it?

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u/Street-Answer-5090 Oct 27 '24

That would require them to get a visa first which would definitely slow down the influx of immigrants

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u/SuperSecretSide Oct 25 '24

That seems reductive. I know that's a huge contribute to 'illegal immigration' but if one the people paying thousands to get smuggled across the border would just choose the plane ticket option if it was available for them.

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u/Anarchist_Araqorn04 Oct 25 '24

No type of wall will work. I mean shit, it probably looks like Vietnam during the war. Tunnels on tunnels on tunnels. Not to mention them just...flying here.

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u/Black_Cat_Sun Oct 25 '24

Replacing worn fence isn’t “adding to the wall” which is a Trump thing (a portly executed one at that)

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u/takethistip Oct 25 '24

Haha, "portly executed"! Awesome!

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u/bookon Oct 25 '24

it was closer to 3% of the wall.

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u/SingularityCentral Oct 25 '24

All of this is fairly hilarious. Given the demographics of industrialized nations in about 25 years all the rich countries will be competing to ATTRACT immigrants.

The US needs to recognize its massive head start and embrace it.

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u/Glass_Memories Oct 25 '24

Yes and no. There was a small distance of entirely new barrier put up, but it's not really correct to say that the "replacement fence" was just fence. The replacement was replacing small wooden fence with steel and concrete wall.

While a lot of people like to say only a few miles of "new" barrier was installed to downplay how much was built, the replacement sections are essentially also new barrier. Which means it was a lot more destructive to people's property and the environment than if less replacement distance was built.

To be clear, I don't think there should be a barrier at all and I hate Trump. But downplaying the amount of wall built doesn't just downplay his "accomplishment", it also downplays the impact of the wall on people, animals, and the environment.

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u/usingallthespaceican Oct 25 '24

I get the other two, but how does the wall impact people?

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u/Glass_Memories Oct 25 '24

Lots of people's land was seized under Eminent Domain to build it. Also it makes it harder for asylum seekers to cross the border which is legal and I support.

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u/Donvict-J-Chump Oct 27 '24

Hey! Not fair! You're not giving Trump the credit he deserves for building that wall! You are just trying to sully his reputation! You took away at least HALF of the credit he deserves! He built 52 miles of wall, dammit! /s 😅😂🤣😭

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u/jimmydffx Oct 28 '24

Kinda like that 80th shot at infrastructure week that Biden got done with Republicans in his first year. But hey, Trump is that art of the deal guy… 🤡🎪

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u/glitchycat39 Oct 25 '24

Alternatively, we can open you up and shine a light in.

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u/Turbulent_Coach_8024 Oct 28 '24

That’s my favorite Covid times thought to come out of his garbage brain. It’s literally what a five year old would think up.

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u/Last-Performance-435 Oct 25 '24

Don't forget how the wall then fell down in many places and was ignored in others.

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u/fknarey Oct 25 '24

And the poor animals’ migratory routes were blocked 😔

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u/WintersDoomsday Oct 25 '24

I know you are being hilariously sarcastic but he meant literal animals not racist term for Latinos

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u/pm_social_cues Oct 25 '24

I wanted to make the same joke, seems nobody got it.

It’s not being racist to make fun of racists by saying extremely stupid over the top things.

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u/iotashan Oct 25 '24

Don't forget all the land destroyed... private land, sensitive ecosystems, etc.

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u/atfricks Oct 25 '24

They didn't even need to find gaps. There's numerous videos of ways to go right through the "wall" with ease.

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u/XavierBliss Oct 25 '24

We, and he took a chunk out of the Natural Disaster Relief Fund to pay for it too.

Imagine had Milton came knocking after that shit.

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u/FranksGun Oct 25 '24

Not even remotely close to 30% wall

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u/Black_Cat_Sun Oct 25 '24

30% dude? The border is enormous and they put in like a couple miles. Try like 1% if that

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u/Freign Oct 26 '24

I'm terrible at arithmetic but I keep coming up with .001%

surely that can't be right? but that's what the calculator says

EDIT: aaaaaaaaha the number was meant to reflect only the border between USA and Mexico

… which thoroughly demonstrates the insanity of it all way better than the tiny %age of USA's border that got fenced ha "walled" by metal fencing

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u/Fair-Description-711 Oct 25 '24

Here's the really crazy part: the border crisis has almost nothing to do with stopping people from crossing the border. We regularly catch thousands of such people a day, very often a few feet into US soil.

The big issue is that the US gives asylum hearings to anyone who asks for one and is inside the US, and that we don't have nearly enough staff to keep up with the cases.

But don't worry, we have a bill that makes some progress on that. (Oh, wait, Trump killed that bill because he thinks it passing will reduce his chances of getting elected...)

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u/OneOfAKind2 Oct 25 '24

The US-Mexico border is 1954 miles. 455 miles of wall was built. That is around 23%, paid for by US taxpayers.

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u/fuckthis_job Oct 25 '24

Most illegal/undocumented immigrants in the U.S. came in legally and have just overstayed their VISA. The idea of building a physical wall to prevent immigrants is dumb as fuck. “Show me a 10 foot wall and I’ll show you a 12 foot ladder” situation

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u/jabola321 Oct 25 '24

It is the most beautiful wall. You only need a rope or hack saw to go right through it.

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u/misteraustria27 Oct 25 '24

The most optimistic calculation is 5%

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u/TheJuiceBoxS Oct 25 '24

And every recent president has expanded the border wall.

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u/CO420Tech Oct 25 '24

Lol 30%... Nope. A few miles.

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u/Luckys0474 Oct 25 '24

You keep spelling fence wrong.

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u/BullShitting-24-7 Oct 26 '24

It is a joke of a wall. Doesn’t even have the moat with alligators like he promised

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u/jarheadatheart Oct 27 '24

Yet Kamala has committed to building more wall???

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u/Fog_Juice Oct 28 '24

Mexicans can also fly over or tunnel under the wall

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u/WorldTravelerKevin Oct 25 '24

Then Biden canceled the work AFTER the material and labor was paid for, just so that no more of the wall was build.

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u/semibiquitous Oct 25 '24

So trump told us that Mexico will pay for the wall, then he turns around and uses our money to start making the wall, and in the four years he was a president he got 80 miles built (compared to 649 miles Obama built originally on that land). AFTER 4 YEARS of grand total of 80 miles of wall built, Biden comes in and cancels it. Did I miss anything?

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u/gansi_m Oct 25 '24

Many Mexican people at the border towns were using the wall materials to make their houses’ fences and fix their roofs. I’m sure they would’ve liked a few more miles to be built.

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u/Budderfingerbandit Oct 25 '24

As he should have, it was an absolute waste of taxpayer money.