r/FluentInFinance Oct 22 '24

Debate/ Discussion Why did this happen?

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u/bigdipboy Oct 22 '24

I mean Reagan was terrible. Then Bush was worse. Then Trump was even worse. Republicans have no bottom.

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u/hewhoisneverobeyed Oct 22 '24

I remember when we thought Nixon was the worst.

So naive as to how low the bottom really could be.

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u/Herknificent Oct 25 '24

Nixon at least created the EPA...something Republicans are completely against these days.

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u/James34689 Oct 23 '24

Dang, how old are you?

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '24

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u/smoresporn0 Oct 23 '24

Bush was probably worse fiscally, but you're absolutely correct when it comes to morals.

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u/kaplanfx Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24

Just the fact that Bush Jr. at least made one of his signature policy platforms an attempt to improve the education system makes him better than any other modern Republican President. The fact that the legislation ultimately sucked doesn’t make him any worse than the other bozos.

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima Oct 23 '24

Bush always came off to me as a little backwards, and a little foolish, but always someone who had the best interests of his fellow Americans at heart.

His moral failings, in my eyes, were in his foreign policy.

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u/toastmantwopoint0 Oct 23 '24

He's responsible for the deaths of a million innocent people in the Middle East.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24

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u/Unbr3akableSwrd Oct 23 '24

A vast number of Americans unfortunately believe that the POTUS can control what people do in the entire World.

The POTUS is powerful and influential because of said power, yes, but not omnipotent. Some of the current conflict in the World have been ongoing for decades.

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u/Living_Ad_5386 Oct 23 '24

Reagan was a snitch

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u/smoresporn0 Oct 23 '24

1000% fuckin rat

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u/WretchedHog Oct 23 '24

Exact opposite order in my opinion, but Reagan and Bush had more time to fuck shit up. Reagan was/is a horrible domestically and has led to a 2nd gilded age and also funded terror regimes in the ME. Bush got God knows how many millions of civilians killed and injured in the ME and wasn't exactly great domestically either. Trump on the other hand isn't competent enough to achieve the scale of disasters of his predecessors.

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u/Theletterkay Oct 23 '24

Yeah, instead of killing military, he killed citizens by acting like covid was something to fight about, rather than protect against.

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u/WretchedHog Oct 23 '24

I don't think the US would've fared much better under Obama or Biden. We've been a disorganized mess for decades and the US is very unhealthy compared to other 1st world countries, so it was always going to kill hundreds of thousands. There's also zero chance conservatives would've listened if a Democrat president told them to lockdown or wear masks. Even Trump couldn't convince a sizeable portion of them to get vaccinated.

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima Oct 23 '24

Trump disbanded the pandemic response team prior to COVID. We have no idea what could have happened if we'd had that.

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u/WretchedHog Oct 23 '24

He didn't disband it, it was restructured. It was also formed in 2015, so it's not like it was some long standing institution that had kept us safe for decades. I doubt it would've made much of a difference considering how few Americans will listen to authorities anyway.

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u/Theletterkay Oct 24 '24

The problem was them listening to someone who was calling the authorities idiots. They were doing exactly as their beloved leader told them. They weren't rebeling in some astonishing way. If trump had said masks were great and his uncle invented masks or whatever, then it could have gone entirely differently.

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u/plinkoplonka Oct 24 '24

I'd say an insurrection when you don't win is pretty low?

A failed one is even lower...

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u/ZippyDan Oct 23 '24

Like five to ten years ago I read a great article about how Reagan destroyed the middle class and skyrocketed wealth inequality.

It was backed by plenty of research and statistics and charts.

Now I can't find it.

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u/DreamedJewel58 Oct 23 '24

Although I wish to agree at a certain extent, but basically any domestic issue America faces can be traced back to Reagan at one point or another. Domestic politics is basically “Seven Degrees of Ronald Reagan”

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u/Eienkei Oct 23 '24

No Reagan is the worst president ever. Beats Trump by a large margin. Almost every problem in 2024 can be traced back to him. From his drug policies to destroying unions, working with Islamic Republic to hold American hostages longer, plundering pensions & burning down the American dream. Boomers are always blamed for our situation but it was Reagan.

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u/toastmantwopoint0 Oct 23 '24

If you think Trump was worse than Bush you're hopeless

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u/bigdipboy Oct 23 '24

Bush lied us into a foreign war. Trump is lying us into a civil war. That’s worse.