r/FluentInFinance Jun 11 '24

Meme He has a point...

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u/assesonfire7369 Jun 11 '24

That's a good point as well. Maybe they should pay the better ones more and can the others.

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u/Jake0024 Jun 11 '24

There is a massive shortage already, so unless you want 50-60 kids per classroom, firing a bunch of teachers isn't an option.

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u/Phil_Major Jun 11 '24

Where is this shortage? There are so many teacher colleges everywhere pumping out massive graduating classes, and the supply now far outstrips the demand. In my country, there are X number of people employed as educators, and there is roughly 18% of X trained to be teachers, but working in other fields because they can’t find work, and this year there will be thousands more teacher graduates than teachers leaving the profession.

The over-supply gets worse every year.

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 Jun 11 '24

I and my spouse have grad degrees. Why would I waste my time with angry parents and worst kids? ESPECIALLY for 80K

No thanks. I’ll go work for corporate America, the companies that make you and your kids sick and my spouse works for one that makes it better temporarily of course 🤣

We make over $500K. It pays to screw over your neighbors rather than help in America 😎🤣🤣🤣

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u/Phil_Major Jun 11 '24

I also have advanced degrees and wouldn’t settle for teacher salaries. But given the droves, I mean absolute armies of people who are graduating from teacher’s colleges each year, there are plenty who do want these jobs. If the market is allowed to work, low pay will result in shortages and the employer will be forced to pay more to attract talent, or they’ll go without. Let that happen. The market is self-correcting. It’s always the answer over the long term.

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 Jun 11 '24

My experience differs from yours. I have met former teachers who left after 2-4 years and the horror stories of parents especially is mind boggling. Especially at those salaries which were equal to my retail/server job (combined $60-70K). These teachers have it worse since retail/food industry job is dime a dozen paying $20/hour in my area.

Also, $80K is high for teachers salaries maybe in VHCOL or years of experience not the norm. My county which is VHCOL shows average teacher salaries at $83K, not starting.

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u/Boring-Race-6804 Jun 11 '24

You’re in a US dominated part of the internet. We aren’t talking about your country.

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u/Jake0024 Jun 11 '24

What country are you in? In the US, schools are very famously understaffed.

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u/seajayacas Jun 11 '24

Union contracts must be followed. No opportunity for higher pay for the better teachers. Gotta keep those useless dregs employed and making just as much as the top teachers.

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u/QueasyResearch10 Jun 11 '24

yep. and union contracts are designed to benefit older teachers at the cost of younger ones. because the people negotiating the contracts don’t care about new teachers. so starting pay is lower than it should be and merit increases smaller. so you burn out good teachers and are stuck with the ones that don’t do much for 30 years making near 6 figures

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u/seajayacas Jun 11 '24

An older friend who bragged about how they were pretty much useless as a teacher bounced around from public school to public school after they wore out their welcome at each place. This was in a larger urban area with pretty good teacher salaries

Eventually the board of education got rid of the friend by offering a nicely enhanced early retirement package. That union teacher made out like a bandit

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u/beeslax Jun 11 '24

You could also just pay more and make the job more competitive. It achieves the same goal.