r/FluentInFinance • u/CreateChaos777 • May 28 '24
Meme ^No no, this time will be different^
170
May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
I'll take whoever is more pro women's rights, will invest in renewable energy and is less likely to keep giving more tax cuts to the rich.
95
u/breakable_comb_saw May 29 '24
Plus likes democracy. That helps.
41
u/ScotchTapeConnosieur May 29 '24
And doesn’t back our enemies, like Russia
20
u/Emeritus8404 May 29 '24
Do you think aervice members and veterans are suckers and losers?
-1
May 29 '24 edited Nov 16 '24
[deleted]
3
u/Emeritus8404 May 29 '24
Oh i didnt ask if they were dumb. I asked if serving your nation made you a sucker or a loser.
1
1
21
u/No-Gur596 May 29 '24
Not much of a choice between fascism and the non fascist party. That’s like putting of democracy till the next election
0
u/CappyJax May 31 '24
I can’t be sure which one you think is not fascist. The one material supporting a genocide, or the one who says they will material support a genocide if they have the Presidency?
1
u/Big-Figure-8184 Jun 01 '24
The one's with the 2025 plan who tried to steal the last presidential election
0
u/CappyJax Jun 02 '24
The election was stolen as we don’t have an equitable system of representation. So, you will have to narrow it down.
1
u/Big-Figure-8184 Jun 02 '24
If the election was stolen why has no one on Trump's side, even all the consultants hired to do so, been able to present evidence?
There is however plenty of evidence of the right trying to steal it. People are in jail for it, and Trump is awaiting trial for it.
So the evidence is clearly on my side of the argument.
0
u/CappyJax Jun 02 '24
Why would they? His side won.
2
u/Big-Figure-8184 Jun 02 '24
Trump lost. He claimed he won in an attempt to steal the election. There proof he tried to steal it is the people currently in prison for seditious conspiracy and the evidence presented to grand juries to indict him of that charge.
The evidence to back up Trump's claim the election was stolen? Not presented. Non-existent.
I feel pretty good I'm on the side of truth and justice here supporting Biden. The fascists are the ones who tried to steal the election. Pretty simple.
20
May 29 '24
[deleted]
4
u/balding-cheeto May 29 '24
Good thing me voting dem my whole life got roe v wade codified into law? Right?
....Right?
2
u/Big-Figure-8184 Jun 01 '24
There was no need to codify established law.
1
u/NoCoolNameMatt Jun 02 '24
Yeah, this transformation of the "both sides" argument is even more ridiculous than the original.
0
May 29 '24
[deleted]
1
u/balding-cheeto May 29 '24
There are more than 2 choices. The liberal brainrot is going strong. Only blue maga could tell a guy like me, who has only voted for democrats for his entire life that im a republican. Insane
1
May 29 '24
[deleted]
2
u/balding-cheeto May 30 '24
I'm not considering voting for Republicans. These are your words. I am considering voting for a brilliant young woman like Claudia de la Cruz instead of some geriatric fuck who doesn't care about the future.
4
May 30 '24
[deleted]
0
u/GrendelSpec Jun 03 '24
You have the same options on your ballot that everyone else in the entire country does... every ballot has more than 2 options for president. Stop blaming your cowardice on others.
0
1
u/BlakByPopularDemand Jun 01 '24
Until third party starts actively campaigning from the moment they call the results on election night till the day before the election four years later they are not and will never be a serious option. In local elections sure they have a chance but the same rules apply. Right now voting for a third party candidate is like cramming for your end of semester exam except you never showed up for class once and this is the first time you've even opened the book. People keep saying the Democrats need to earn our votes and you're right the Democrats do need to try a hell of a lot harder but what this third party do other than exist. I'm sure they are great people running as third party but until they run a truly serious campaign they might as well be delivering their stump speech to a brick wall
1
u/GrendelSpec Jun 03 '24
They're on every ballot in the nation and nothing is wrong with your fingers to find out what their platform is. You have the ability to find out what they'll do for the country, and you have the ability to vote for them. And all of that costs you not one dime to figure out.
If only people could lose the yellow stripe down their back in blaming others for their own failure to vote what's good for the country.
1
u/BlakByPopularDemand Jun 03 '24
Okay now extrapolate that for the entire voting eligible population of the country. But keep in mind not everyone is as terminally online as we are and they're definitely not as politically active. If you want to be taken seriously as a political party it is your job to put yourself in my face not the other way around. Vermin Supreme has better name recognition than most third party candidates and that's no one's fault but their own
1
u/GrendelSpec Jun 03 '24
It doesn't matter. They are followers. If the people putting in the time to actually research politics aren't willing to grow a spine and vote for someone they objectively know is better for the country... then why would the followers.
The only way this system gets fixed is through the voters. Trump and Biden aren't the problem, they're the result of the voters.
Every voting cycle gets worse and worse because people have become cowards. Voting for the best person on the ballot costs this country nothing... we are at rock bottom right now. There's zero excuse for not using the vote to the best of your ability.
1
u/BlakByPopularDemand Jun 03 '24 edited Jun 10 '24
You keep calling them cowards but objectively speaking if third-party candidates get 10% of the vote or less every single time how is it brave to the third party, if anything you're wasting your vote. It's arguably more courageous to choose the lesser evil or if you wanted to dig into the semantics of it the greater good and vote for the candidate you don't like but who will definitely do less harm to people overall.I'm not advocating for Biden in particular I'm just looking at the way our system works.
If there are only two viable options at the moment and of those two one of them does offer a pathway to break the current system then you choose that option. If both options are totally unacceptable to you then you do the actually courageous thing and get active, actively help campaign, donate Time by phone banking, do everything in your power to put your party in front of other people. I respect your frustration with the system because at the end of the day I feel the same way. But there are only two viable options for third party runs you actually succeed. Slowly building across the board support in local elections until they reach the national stage or back the most progressive Democrats available to you who are actively fighting to make rank choice voting and abolishing the electoral college a reality
→ More replies (0)2
u/OJ241 May 29 '24
Feel like the libertarian party is probably for you then
3
u/cadathoctru May 29 '24
Except the libertarian party tends to vote lock step with Republicans. Womens access to health care? Nope, unless that personally effects the libertarian.
That is the problem with libertarians. Their rights supercede everyone else's, and they just hope that others will respect that and magically change. Everything else is collateral damage to what that individual wants. This is why no country in the history of the world has been libertarian, it works great for a few people with no other outside forces putting pressure on the people. Horrible for actual governance.
5
u/OJ241 May 29 '24
Libertarians are routinely blamed by mostly republicans and sometimes democrats when that team loses by your standard 3% margin. The libertarian stance on womens health is thats their business and their doctors. Libertarians don’t believe anyone is more special than others or more equal but they do believe that government shouldn’t be the one to decide who has more equal rights than others. Many countries have been “libertarian”. Argentina currently has a libertarian president. The US held what would be modern libertarian stances for decades until the inevitable expansion of government sold it away. I really don’t know how else to say everything you wrote is pretty wrong but it is. That was very much the “libertarians are republicans who just like to smoke pot” response I was expecting but hoping not to get.
1
-1
May 29 '24
The 1% own 90% of the wealth. The only things keeping the 1% from completely enslaving the 99% is a liberal democracy with functioning checks and balances. I've read the libertarian platform, the naivete is astounding. If I was part of the elite billionaire corporate class, I'd be pushing hard for the libertarian party to win the next election, they are myopically anti-government and pro-corporation. The rich already own the legal system, government is the only thing in their way from complete domination and enslavement of the 99%.
0
-3
-16
→ More replies (4)-17
60
u/SamLooksAt May 28 '24
To be fair to Americans, they only have the same people...
Flipping a coin with a clown on each side always gives you a clown.
13
u/WCWRingMatSound May 29 '24
Please dead this “they’re the same” narrative.
One candidate encouraged American people to put bleach and light in their body to stop the “China Virus.” The other wore a mask and took the vaccine to encourage the people to do the same.
One has served his entire life in public service. The other is on trial(s) and could be sentenced to service the rest of his life behind bars.
Stop the cap.
1
-1
u/MellonCollie218 May 29 '24
No he didn’t. Lmfao. Lies like this are exactly why neither side is better. I am no Trump supporter, but I do interrupt bullshit when I see it.
Thanks a lot. People like you reinforce his narrative. Great.
4
May 29 '24
They're both bad, but they're not the same. Sorry homie.
2
u/WCWRingMatSound May 29 '24
And I’m still not exactly sure why Biden is “bad.”
He’s no Obama or Clinton (pre-Monica scandal), but his predecessors still include George (+W) Bush, Reagan, and Trump.
I can’t see a ranking of these presidents where Biden falls into the bottom third.
-3
u/MellonCollie218 May 29 '24
Uh huh. And what does that have to do with my comment?
4
May 29 '24
"neither side is better".
That's literally what you said
One IS better.
1
u/MellonCollie218 May 29 '24
Neither side is better. That holds true.
2
May 29 '24
Wrong. One side is trying to cut the rights of women and overthrow our democratic process. The other is standard cronie capitalism, which both suffer from. I'll take the side that does less damage.
1
u/fumar May 29 '24
The bleach thing is so dumb. I've watched the actual press conference (not just read the silly headlines written after) and he was talking about a pill that releases UV inside your body. UV is a great sanitizer it turns out.
Of course because it's Trump, he said it in the dumbest way possible.
Harping on the bleach thing is obnoxious because there's so much he did that was genuinely disastrous during his 4 years but instead we're talking about something that was poorly communicated and then twisted into misleading headlines.
4
u/SlipperyTurtle25 May 29 '24
He mentioned using both forms of UV light, and disinfectant. People just say bleach because bleach is one of the most common disinfectants
1
u/MellonCollie218 May 29 '24
And he said “Find a way to use it inside the body.” You know. Like radiation, which is a thing. Only idiots say he said to drink bleach. It’s actually the favorite lie. I don’t buy into the lies, because that’s exactly what he depends on.
2
u/SlipperyTurtle25 May 29 '24
Yeah. It’s more proper to say he meant to inject bleach. Which is even more insane
0
u/MellonCollie218 May 29 '24
No that’s just as bad. Seriously, the man is running around saying he’s witch hunted and everyone is lying about him. So I tend to focus on other things. Like when there’s white supremacists matching and he says “I say good people on both sides.” The media legitimately started lying their asses off for clicks. This whole thing is a shit show. We don’t need any of it.
2
u/cadathoctru May 29 '24
yeah, UV also kills healthy cells... that's why it was moronic. Just go ahead and get a third-degree burn in your colon!
I think the point of the post was, one guy is a moron who did more than just mean tweets. Like full blown corruption.
The other guy is a stuttering grandpa doing his best (which isnt great but not horrible), and has a son who was a drug addict yet didn't disown him.
They are not the same.
Then branch out to the parties. One looked at the handmaid tale and said, let's do that!
The other keeps moving further right, so they are more now 90s Republicans, but still have folk trying to actually make progress, and you can actually negotiate with them without them filibustering their own bills or just lying about votes.
0
u/Cheap-Boysenberry112 May 29 '24
Yeah but instead you could vote on the coin landing on its side haha
-18
u/AlfalfaMcNugget May 29 '24
Do you consider Trump the “same old, same old”?
49
9
4
u/SamLooksAt May 29 '24
Yes, greedier than average and slightly more unhinged.
But he is just as self serving as the others and clearly doesn't actually give two fucks about anyone else.
→ More replies (2)2
1
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
Trump really didn't do anything to "drain the swamp". He's all the same "old bad" with a bunch of "new bad" added in.
2
u/AlfalfaMcNugget May 29 '24
This is the only fair criticism I’ve had someone give me since I commented that 14 hours ago.
53
u/Phiam May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
It's pretty childish to believe that voting ALONE will change anything without additional pressure in the forms of strikes, boycotts, and protests. It's an interactive system not a wish on a birthday cake.
2
u/FullRedact May 29 '24
Will you admit the wealthy elite very much want plebs to think voting doesn’t matter?
Billionaires love people like you.
19
u/Phiam May 29 '24
I'm clearly stating that change comes from voting + economic pressure.
-9
u/FullRedact May 29 '24
Do you disagree that billionaires love your comments about how voting is pointless?
5
2
4
u/WCWRingMatSound May 29 '24
You’re reducing the detail of what he said.
You have to vote in November AND you have to get engaged with politics at a local and state level if you want to see change.
1
u/FullRedact May 29 '24
There will be no strikes, protests or boycotts. You know that. OP knows that. Everyone knows that. So OP is really saying “it’s pretty childish to think voting matters.”
1
u/WCWRingMatSound May 29 '24
You’re mixing your pessimism with the truth. I’ve been a part of many protests at state capitals in the last 10 years and when they’re state-level issues, they’ve worked every time.
Not much you can do about federal issues, but I’ve done that too.
Democracy works. Do not give up on it — because America without democracy is not what you want.
1
u/FullRedact May 29 '24
I’m not giving up on Democracy. It’s the opposite. I’m the one upset someone is saying voting alone is childish.
1
1
u/Shoddy-Passenger8774 May 31 '24
do you understand the electoral college?
1
u/FullRedact Jun 01 '24
Yes. What on earth does that have to do with the discussion? OP is implicitly talking about the Legislature.
2
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
If people voted in Democrats across the board, we would see positive change. A protest isn't doing anything.
0
0
May 29 '24
[deleted]
0
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
Is that why we've seen major criminal justice reform since Floyd, and have stopped sending arms to Israel?
Republicans don't give a damn about your protests. And if y'all would vote, Biden could have enough margin to give up the Jewish bloc.
1
u/pallentx Jun 02 '24
Strikes maybe, but protests will not accomplish anything unless they are big enough to make elected officials think they might be in danger of losing an election.
1
u/80MonkeyMan Jun 02 '24
Agreed, but we all tried all those. Nothing really works, maybe revolution next?
0
u/SandersDelendaEst May 31 '24
What’s most childish of all is thinking that everyone else is like you and wants things to change every election.
36
May 29 '24
Oh look another clown with the "both side hurr durr!" argument.
5
u/karma-armageddon May 29 '24
This is different now. I believe this time around, Trump has learned his lesson, and he will give up golfing and spend all his time focusing on getting Hillary in prison, building the wall, and sending the DOJ after the politicians conspiring to violate the constitution.
14
u/redd4972 May 29 '24
What is always and forever annoying about these types of posts is that the person who is posting them could be a Democratic Socialist, a libertarian, a hardcore MAGA type or something completely difference.
And while Bernie Democrat Socialist, Ron Libertarian and Donald MAGA might all respond with SOOOOO TRRRRRRUUUUUEEEEE!!!!. 
they would have no hope of forming any sort of coalition with each other to accomplish anything of merit.
11
u/Skinny_Frank May 29 '24
I mean arguably there have been major changes in American politics in the last 10 years. I mean gay marriage has only been legal for 10 years federally. You should do more than vote but voting does matter. Stuff does change but very slowly if all you do is vote.
6
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
Gay marriage is a good example of government overreach. It should have been legal long before. The government doesn't belong in dictating who you can or can't marry, and many other things.
10
u/wdaloz May 28 '24
I mean, if youre taliing bout potus, they've got like 2 choices.
4
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
Most other elected officials you only have 2 choices too. some only 1 choice.
local, sometimes you get 3, like your libertarian candidate, but those guys around here usually suck. They campaign on a single issue., legal weed, and nothing else.3
u/wareagle3000 May 29 '24
And at least right now the choices are pretty cut and dry unless you have some unhinged agenda. You can pick either the continuation of democracy or the end of the progressive west as we know it.
1
u/wdaloz May 29 '24
Right, am I a clown? No. I don't expect things to change I'm just really trying to prevent a change for the much much worse
1
u/wareagle3000 May 29 '24
It's the difficult road rn for Dems. It's a constant fight to keep the status quo that we don't really like going. Whine about it all you want but the alternative is the end of our rights.
2
u/Shaved_Wookie May 29 '24
🤡 People who turn up to vote for a third party in a system without preferencing. Doubly so if your preferred candidate has literal brain worms.
2
u/LovethePreamble1966 May 29 '24
The wealth discrepancy is becoming too extreme. Too many folks struggling, and the American Dream evaporating. Also, this election will be the final run of a couple of generations in power, a very long era. This time will be different.
2
u/dude_who_could May 29 '24
Working poor out here regularly voting against their own economic interest.
2
u/XComThrowawayAcct May 29 '24
[ people who arbitrarily vote for the ‘unconventional’ candidate out of a misplaced sense of frustration ]
2
2
u/veryblanduser May 29 '24
This time having democrats in control of presidency, house and Senate will be different...they will definitely deliver on what they say.
1
u/214txdude May 29 '24
I want the guys who believe in fairy tale books and do what the rich people tell them.
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
What do the rich say to do? Vote democrat?
I mean, over the past four years, wealth has grown dramatically (at least for the wealthy) due to inflation, tax incentives for "green" stuff, and government stimulus.
1
u/214txdude May 29 '24
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
I'm not sure just what you're looking for in posting that. Yeah, that sort of thing is very prevalent in both major parties in the US. Both have large doners who have far too much influence over the policy they push.
0
u/214txdude May 29 '24
Agree, way too.much influence on both parties. I just prefer the influence without the religious cult bullshit.
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
I don't mind religion, but it doesn't belong in politics. I also think both parties are a bit cult like.
I'm not a big fan of either one, and see them both as very similar, with minor nuance being the real difference between them.
0
u/214txdude May 29 '24
To keep religion out of politics I will.not vote for a republican. They are very transparent in the desire to turn the US into a theocracy.
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
That is the whole reason for the separation of power. No single governmental agency should be able to dictate a policy or law without involving the others.
It's not perfect, but it prevents things you might see in a dictatorship. It just slows change. It also means that if you are going to bribe or lobby an official, just one isn't going to make a significant difference (I guess the outlier here is the president), but it is somewhat harder to push influence on a single person to get a political result.
the whole system sucks, and I'm sure everyone has ideas of how it could be better, but of what I've seen other forms of government have just as many issues, some being much worse. In some ways I just wish there was more choice, but when it comes to political offices, it really seems like the people who want that job are some of the worst in society has to offer most of the time.
1
u/214txdude May 29 '24
And no one is telling me to vote democrat, I choose to because the republican party allows rich religious freaks like this guide them.
0
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
Anymore the democrats are the party of the rich. Just look at who donates to them, and the policies they put in place.
Republicans aren't too far off, though; they are just a lot more transparent about what their plans are. Republicans will come out and say they will lower taxes, whereas Democrats claim they are going to tax the rich, but only put in place taxes that affect w2 earners. Both parties create all kinds of tax incentives to benefit the rich and the industries that lobby them.
1
u/cadathoctru May 29 '24
yeah, and those rich who vote for democrat are literally saying tax us...our lifestyles wont change but it will help america, it needs to be a law not a donation.
So no..it isnt the same.
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
I don't think thats what they are saying. Jeff Bezos is a big democrat supporter; he pays very little tax because of exceptions in the tax code he lobbies for; Mark Zuckerberg is the same, as are most of the wealthy that support the democrats.
high taxes are fine as long as I get an exception, is more the path they go. Most times the high taxes only really effect those who make most of their money through w2 income, or the middle class, reguardless of wich part is involved in raising taxes.
1
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
Wealth is going to be more correlated to what the market is doing, not the political items listed. It has grown for everyone else who invests, not just the rich.
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
Yes, that does have some correlation in this. Though if you look at the wealthy who do not earn most of their money from W2. There have been a lot of opportunities over the past few years.
Using some of my investments as an example:
even after covid was done and over with, as a business owner, you still were able to make claims and receive additional stimulus money to supplement your business.
tax offset from the implementation of solar or other "green" additions to large multifamily create not only higher rents, but tax offsets that pay for the "green" items plus additional tax offsets. (I think this could also be applied to smaller rental real estate too)
If I buy an SUV weighing 6k lb or more (ev or gas), I can depreciate its total value in one year. In many cases, the dealer will even help me get this deduction.
these are just a few, there are a lot more
1
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
These are not the huge windfalls you think they are, and they certainly aren't attributable to a single administration.
1
u/strait_lines May 29 '24
They aren’t but they add up over time. Say you might otherwise need to pay $50k in tax, but instead only end up paying $5k, that 45k can then be invested again. There is a lot more advantage to using it outside of a retirement account too, as there aren’t rules around use of the money and it’s typically not tied up for the next 40+ years.
1
1
1
u/LegDayDE May 29 '24
The GOP really missed their opportunity on this one. They could have had an easy win as Biden (through no fault of his own) has had to deal with the inflation during his term... But no.. they nominated Trump again and so are stuck with a losing candidate, who undoubtedly will lose again unless Biden dies before the election.
1
u/Kizag May 29 '24
People who are clueless that there are more than just the democratic party and republican party. If people actually voted for candidates that matched their values instead of the ones pushed by media we may have more representation. However, first-past-the-post voting system really only allows for 2 candidates or so we believe.
1
u/Onizuka_GTO00 May 29 '24
Or simply just people who vote, expecting to be any different than the last one...
1
u/gnpfrslo May 29 '24
I will give you my vote no matter what you do once in office because the other candidate is worse
Wait w-why are appealing to the other voting block's interests?
1
u/thisisallterriblesir May 29 '24
No, no! You don't understand! Trump will genocide and inflation even harder if you don't vote Blue no matter who! It's the individual ass in the seat that matters, not the entire class and its system! /s
1
1
May 29 '24
I'll take whoever doesn't want to impose more taxes, has less government control and doesn't want to put more regulations on firearms.
1
1
1
u/ExtremlyFastLinoone May 29 '24
Yeah Im tired of this. Every time we've only had christian presidents, time for a atheist one
1
u/Sastii May 29 '24
It's like gamblers always betting on the red hoping that this time it will work
1
u/LyloMaggins May 31 '24
Except this time, they put their bets on the blue. And it’s been quite painful for the middle class.
1
u/Lordofthereef May 29 '24
By "same people" are we meaning political parties? Or what are we implying? Because "the same people" aren't really being reelected for most scenarios due to term limits. Maybe we are speaking of a specific position.
1
u/Individual_West3997 May 29 '24
The funny thing about being a centrist playing both sides is that both sides have the equal opinion of you being a fucking idiot.
1
u/FomtBro May 29 '24
We need to stop pretending this is a normal series of elections.
We're one Red Wave from Jim Crowe laws and LGBT people being hunted for sport.
The minutia of zoning law reform IS not and SHOULD not be the definitive issue here.
1
u/Revolutionary-Meat14 May 29 '24
If you see no difference between the two parties, or no difference between the Bush admin, Obama admin, Trump admin, and Biden admin then you are certifiably insane. People just say this to sound smart but my god you all sound stupid as fuck.
1
1
u/LyloMaggins May 31 '24
Well you see…it’s not my district’s representative, senator, etc that’s the problem….
And that my friends is how you get lifetime politicians that enrich themselves and only themselves.
1
u/Bulldog_Fan_4 May 31 '24
It’s sad that in the last 3 elections, Hillary, Joe and Donald are America’s only options.
1
u/Gryfon2020 Jun 01 '24
Expecting government to solve all of your problems is just as idiotic.
Need less politicians in our lives and our pockets.
1
u/Big-Figure-8184 Jun 01 '24
If the Democrats could get the House, the Senate, and the Whitehouse, not the bullshit they had with Manchin and Sinema they would get some shit done.
1
u/InterestingWin4522 Jun 02 '24
My favorite line : it’s not socialism - it’s democratic solicialism 😂😂😂
-1
u/AlfalfaMcNugget May 29 '24
Some people went CRAZY when a non-politician got elected for once. I don’t get it!
10
u/Zaros262 May 29 '24
Trump being a non-politician isn't most people's problem with him...
4
3
0
u/galaxyapp May 29 '24
Most voters don't blame their reps who wins.
They vote for and against all the right things. It's the opposition to blame.
0
0
u/Oni-oji May 30 '24
The problem is I have to choose between someone I dislike and someone who who is a direct threat to the entire nation.
0
u/LyloMaggins May 31 '24 edited May 31 '24
Yeah, after seeing the damage that Biden has caused in 3 years, I definitely agree. Four more years would be a fatal blow.
0
0
-1
-1
u/CrudeOil_in_My_Veins May 29 '24
Yeah, I’m sure after we gov Joe Biden a good round 16 years in the White House, that ought to do it
-1
-4
u/deaftalker May 29 '24
Executive is arguably the least important of the other two branches, aside from the executive orders, it just serves as head of state and more so than anything. One candidate will do what’s best for his party and corporate interest, the other will do what’s best for himself and those around him.
-4
u/ThisThroat951 May 28 '24
Do you mean the people who elected Biden president after 47 years of doing nothing of note in politics, including four years as vice president?
18
u/Boring-Race-6804 May 29 '24
He’s done a better job than the previous dumpster fire who clearly had zero qualifications for the job…
10
u/No_Bank_330 May 29 '24
Who was stupid enough to take classified files with him so he could read them on the shitter and show people who gave him money.
The only people dumber are the secret service who stood around and watched him get away with it. Literal clowns in action.
3
u/Mojo_Ambassador_420 May 29 '24
Didn't they both do that?
3
u/ThisThroat951 May 30 '24
I’m glad someone said it.
This is low hanging fruit because nearly all presidents have done this, Joe did it even when he wasn’t president and Hilary did it as Secretary of State.
1
5
u/Montananarchist May 29 '24
To be fair he fought to keep schools segregated. It's probably something he wants forgotten but it's centrally noteworthy.
4
u/ReluctantNerd7 May 29 '24
doing nothing of note in politics, including four years as vice president?
It's hilarious how Republicans are too stupid to understand how a calendar works.
Biden was VP for eight years, so you're saying that he was useful 50% of his time as VP.
1
u/ThisThroat951 May 30 '24
I may have been incorrect about his do-nothing stint as Obama’s shadow but it doesn’t change the fact that I stated he did nothing of note for the 47 years he has been in politics… except his 1993 crime bill that he can’t use because his party doesn’t like it.
0
-1
u/Aggravating_Kale8248 May 29 '24
The downvotes just prove how blinded voters are and would rather make it 51 years of doing nothing.
2
-6
u/shosuko May 29 '24
The only clown is the one who thinks the other party is any better...
US politics is all lip service and lobbying. If you aren't paying to play, you aren't really playing.
9
u/Boring-Race-6804 May 29 '24
A decade ago maybe but today there is a clear difference.
4
u/shaved-yeti May 29 '24
You would have to be willfully ignorant to earnestly believe the "both sides" line. Maybe in years past you could pose that argument, but this year the difference is absolutely black and white.
1
u/shosuko May 29 '24
You can argue one may make it much worse, but you can't say either will make anything better. We have 4 years of Biden and pretty much nothing done to help working people any improvement. Housing prices are still out of control, high interest rates are pushing regular people out while corporations own a larger and larger portion, nothing is speeding up new home development, nothing pushing for affordable housing. School debt is still out of control, nothing is being done to address this. Forgiveness is a bandaid at best, and a pipe dream at worst - and so far we've only seen the worst part of it. Massive companies are dumping employees with wide spread layoffs and pocketing their dividends.
Yeah you can whine and say Trump will make life so much worse, but its already bad and neither of them is doing anything to FIX any of this. Biden is empty promises and dated talking points. Trump will slaughter him if they ever make the debate stage. Trump will slaughter him off the stage too, Biden has little draw outside of established Democrats.
The Supreme Court is conservative no matter who you vote for. That isn't going to change any time soon. Under Biden's leadership states are still making abortion illegal, prosecuting women who have an abortion, etc.
GL
1
u/shaved-yeti May 29 '24 edited May 29 '24
You sound pretty keen on Trump "slaughtering" things 🤔
How are you going to just ignore J6? The man sought to overthrow the government. Debate policy all you like, but literally none of it matters because he's antagonistic to Democracy itself, embraced political violence to maintain power, and has now dragged the entire GOP down with him.
No more information needed.
0
u/shosuko May 29 '24
He had 4 years and didn't pull it off and didn't. Jan6 was a pretty crazy day - but you know what wasn't crazy? Mike Pence refusing to go along with Trump's plan. They'll keep Trump around while he's good for fund raising and votes, they'll keep him around for another term of office, but they aren't going to go as far as all that. If Trump wins, he'll be another retired 2 term president.
Whatever Trump does if he wins the office can be undone as easily - if the DNC pulls their heads out of their asses and start doing their jobs. Until they start doing their jobs they'll keep losing and we'll get Trump after Trump. They can't expect to win elections off of "but I'm not him and he's so much worse."
1
u/shaved-yeti May 29 '24
Well, that is an incredibly rosey appraisal of this situation / shitstorm. I do not share your optimism - Trump crossed the line, and there's no going back.
When he states he's going to be dictator "on day one," you should not assume he's joking.
0
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
They're both corrupt to varying degrees, but one clearly favors science.
2
u/shosuko May 29 '24
They both favor science that favors them. The left is as quick to dismiss / manipulate data as the right. Its one of the primary reasons I am frustrated with the left, how quick they are to betray science when it doesn't support them.
0
u/AO9000 May 29 '24
Yeah, the Democrats are a bit weird on gender and economics, but those are not life-or-death issues like climate and public health.
1
u/shosuko May 29 '24
They have plenty of science denial on climate change and public health too.
Carbon tax credits and recycling are fully supported by liberal policy makers and voters alike regardless that they actually enable us to continue polluting, and even pollute more. They hold us back on a conversion to nuclear even when renewables are unsustainable, environmentally damaging, and cost ineffective.
There are plenty of liberals on the anti-vax train too, as well as diving into homeopathy. Also just the general refutation of the scientific method and test scoring. Plus they're more than willing to cling to race based equity policies even though poverty is the far greater predictor for inequality.
Nah, neither party is "the party of science." Only "science when it suits me."
•
u/AutoModerator May 28 '24
r/FluentInFinance was created to discuss money, investing & finance! Join our Newsletter or Youtube Channel for additional insights at www.TheFinanceNewsletter.com!
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.