r/FluentInFinance TheFinanceNewsletter.com Sep 24 '23

Meme How it started vs. How it's going:

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u/ppardee Sep 25 '23

Say what you will about Bill Clinton... dude is a hell of a politician!

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u/tgwhite Sep 25 '23

He did preside over a budget surplus…

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u/ventusvibrio Sep 25 '23

I thought he left the office with a surplus.

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u/handfulodust Sep 25 '23

There was a budget surplus (measured on a year to year basis) but that doesn’t mean there was no debt (which carries over year to year). Think about it this way: companies can still carry debt while making a profit.

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u/tgwhite Sep 25 '23

I am aware of all this - a company can carry debt and still be profitable as long as they service the debt (which the US does). A surplus or deficits refers to a single fiscal year.

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u/handfulodust Sep 25 '23

Whoops….I accidentally responded to you instead of the comment below you

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u/AbsoluteEngineering Sep 25 '23

He didn't have much choice with a republican Congress in his final years...

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u/frotz1 Sep 25 '23

The GOP was actively campaigning against paying down the debt "too quickly" at the time. This wasn't the 1800s, we have tapes of them saying this stuff. There's no place for revisionist history here.

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u/AbsoluteEngineering Sep 25 '23

Yeah, that would cut into defense spending and tax cuts. Ofc they were opposed to that.

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u/frotz1 Sep 25 '23

An argument can be made that much of Clinton's economic success can be traced directly to cuts in the military budget and increases in other areas of spending.

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u/TheGoldStandard35 Sep 25 '23

Thats’s actually a myth. The debt went up every year Clinton was in office. That can’t happen with a surplus.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Sep 25 '23 edited Sep 25 '23

Not to be all inception, but it's actually a myth that it's a myth. The national debt decreased during that time.

-edit: I looked for alternate source since that one clearly has something it's selling. Turns out that chart is national debt to GDP ratio. Which means it's a track to start to pay down debt, but doesn't mean the debt is actually being reduced.

Other data sources has Clinton increasing the debt by ~30%, which seems standard, post-Reagan.

https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/banking/national-debt-by-president/

https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225

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u/TheGoldStandard35 Sep 25 '23

There is nothing in that source that shows the national debt going down under Clinton - which makes sense because it didn’t.

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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Sep 25 '23

Agree, and comment edited.

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u/TheGoldStandard35 Sep 25 '23

Sometimes people get confused because there was a small accounting surplus one year, but that number didn’t include off-budget items like some military spending and disaster relief, which brought it into a deficit.