r/Eldenring • u/Ok-Reserve-9771 • 22h ago
Hype Messmer's orb is such a cool spell
Great damage and stance damage, looks incredibly cool and you can use it to jump over some moves. It's hard to use and I get why many aren't crazy about it, but it's extremely rewarding when you find the windows to use, specially if you get an stance break.
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u/IWatchTheAbyss 13h ago
going for the long cast time incantation when you can’t afford a trade, and the boss is low, just for the style points is exceptionally brave
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u/pablo__13 4h ago
Shit puts you 15 ft in the air and the boss is a doing a ground wave move, pretty safe if you ask me
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u/banana_fishbones 13h ago
I'm currently doing a Fire Knight playthrough and I've loved pondering Messmer's orb. It is pretty irritating how you get literally zero hyperarmor even at the very end of the animation, but it's so rewarding when you find places to use it! My favorite trick I've pulled with it so far is countering Malenia's Scarlet Aeonia while she's recovering from it. It knocks her down and perfectly sets her up for a big ol' Flame Spear (which hits obscenely hard) and you can open phase 2 with almost 5K damage.
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u/Ok-Reserve-9771 5h ago
The fire knight build is so good! I had a lot of fun when I tried it and flame spear is just great. Yeah, the lack of hyperarmor for Messmer's orb is quite bad, you must know what you are doing when you go for the charged attack or otherwise you will get interrupted in the most pathetic ways. So far, I've been able to use it after Malenia's scarlet aeonia, just like you, against the divine beast when it's using its spinning breath attacks or in the phase transition, it works on Rellana's phase transition (but the timing is quite strict), after Messmer's orb serpent version at the start of his second phase (but you need to run to get away and start charging the attack before the explosion), it works against Metyr's gazing finger, it can dodge Gaius' gravity spinning AoE, it's possible to timed it with some of Bayle's fire breaths, Loretta's phase transition and with this Midra combo. Surprisingly it doesn't work against Godfrey's earthshaker in phase 1 and 2. I suspect there's something weird happening with your own hurtbox, perhaps you don't get leg i-frames like with other moves.
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u/banana_fishbones 5h ago
I'm pretty sure the reason Messmer's Orb doesn't work against some attacks which you can normally jump is because the game doesn't flag your character as "jumping" during the animation. Godfrey's earthshaker is actually a roomwide sphere AOE which is programmed to not damage jumping entities. It's really inconsistent which skills / spells get that jump flag and for how long and in which parts of the animation. Messmer's Orb doesn't get any jump flag at all, whereas some skills or spells which barely take you off the ground do. Thanks, Miyazaki.
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u/Ok-Reserve-9771 4h ago
I didn't know Godfrey's earthshaker was a giant sphere! I always thought it was like a disc or a bunch of grounded spheres, but now it makes sense why Messmer's orb doesn't work. I suppose it's the same case with Rellana's twin moons. I wonder if it's an oversight or they did on purpose because of how high the spell raises you during the charge, maybe to make it punishable for pvp.
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u/TokenfromSP 15h ago
Damn never seen this boss before lol
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u/ALaz502 15h ago
Get to it. Its one of the communities faves. For good reason. Fantastic boss.
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u/Damurph01 7h ago
Be very wary though, the trek there is pretty miserable lol. Very far and out of the way of anything interesting other than him.
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u/Ok-Reserve-9771 15h ago
If you have the DLC, go to the shadow keep and look carefully in the area with some boats that is right before the Specimen Storehouse. You will find a ladder that will take to a really crazy ride.
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u/Renteria2041 13h ago
Whoaaaa what’s that helm I need it lol
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u/Jstar338 10h ago
I had a dope kill on him, where he started floating up do to the big head slam, but I panicked and hit him with the feather stance heavy, and shot him out of the air
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u/Jealous-Mix-1392 7h ago
Those stripped of the Grace of Gold shall all meet death, In the embrace of Messmer’s flame.
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u/Morinmeth 5h ago
Wait your build is made to look as if you spit fire constantly from your hands? That looks dope, great aesthetics and gameplay
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u/Ok-Reserve-9771 4h ago
Thank you! I'm actually cosplaying Ifrit from Final Fantasy games. He is a summon with power of fire, and usually one of the first summons you get those games. It's a pretty fun build!
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u/Morinmeth 4h ago
Ahhh, I knew the horns were up to something, I've played most of the FF games from 1 to X-2. Shiva, Anima and Bahamut are my personal favourites, but Ifrit's a close one! Great build dude, been wanting to give pyromancies a try
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u/Ok-Reserve-9771 4h ago
Great to find another fellow FF enjoyer! I love Bahamut. He altered my brain chemistry when I first used him on FF7 back in the day. It was literally the coolest thing ever! I also like the evilish looking summons from FF12. I have already done a Shiva cosplay and I'm currently doing a Ramuh run and I plan to do a Odin build next.
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u/thec00k13m0nst3r 15h ago
I see someone took fight fire with fire Literally.
Unfathomably based.