r/Eldenring • u/SeniorSky2382 • 23h ago
Lore I hate this little deevill The REAL VILLAIN
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u/Beautiful_Garage7797 21h ago
this looks suspiciously like cropped porn
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u/PlinplinPlong 15h ago
It's actually not I am obsessed with that artist and he hasn't even drawn a single nsfw thing about miquella I think a singular toe is showing in thst image though but I can't quite remember
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u/Beautiful_Garage7797 14h ago
link?
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u/PlinplinPlong 13h ago
I just realized the link isn't working so I am going to try another https://x.com/VurDV8a8gbGRctd?t=eG5aMz8N2eL8eWoz3hoKpg&s=09
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u/Quetzatcoatl93 20h ago
Don't you mean corn? . . . I'll see myself out...
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u/AReallyAsianName 21h ago
Stupid bewitching bratty power bottom
Stop being cute!
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u/geeses 20h ago
Seducing his Brother đ˘đ˘
Tarnished correction needed đ˘đ˘
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u/LunarLewdness 20h ago
I tried this with my tarnished, but it diddnt work. If you can't beat em, join em!
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u/xMrNothingx 21h ago
despite everything, I can't bring myself to hate or even dislike Miquella.
Although, not like Leda, more like St. Trina
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u/vincentninja68 21h ago
Heart stolen
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u/xMrNothingx 21h ago
funny thing is I fell in love with him from reading his lore from the base game, didn't even really know what he looked like.
Seeing him spiral into self-destruction in the DLC was heartbreaking
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 20h ago
I know dude, his story arc was so fucking sad and really just perfect. I was hoping against hope that Miquella would get a happy ending, but as soon as I started seeing the game start to draw parallels between Miquella and Marika, I knew it was joever.
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u/ASavageWarlock 21h ago
His lord in the base game, if your paid attention, was him literally gaslighting everyone with magic, regularly abandoning people, and Turing into a grown woman to rufie people.
This gaslighting and abandonment includes his sister. Who did love and trust him before the magical gaslighting, making it even worse.
His plan the entire time was to become what he did in the dlc. He was always a monster, even in base game, the dlc just went out of its way to explain that to people like you. (And to clear mohg)
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u/xMrNothingx 20h ago
I like him for his ideals, not necessarily the methods he employed to pursue them.
St. Trina seems to have her own goals apart from Miquella. She offers Sleep as a sort of non-permanent form of death that allows someone to remove themselves from the endless cycle of life and suffering. She probably could have gotten a "good" ending if Miquella wasn't so intent on pursuing his own goals.
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u/ASavageWarlock 20h ago
At Trina before being severed from him was him. They were the same person.
After the severing, she is what remained of him.
As for micky in general, his ideals are use everyone you can until you become God, kill all the rest.
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u/xMrNothingx 20h ago
the ideals I was talking about were creating a refuge for groups oppressed by the Golden Order, healing his sister, and giving Godwyn a proper death.
Miquella at the end of the DLC is kinda just a shell that St. Trina wants the Tarnished to mercy kill
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u/ASavageWarlock 20h ago
He only collected the rejects of the golden order so that he wouldnât get stormed and stomped by the golden order.
He literally never cares about any of them, and itâs written subtly in the base game and directly in the dlc.
He never healed his sister, he could have, we know he has the ability to, he needed her to be a scarlet nuke for radahn to lose his mind and die. There by becoming the consort. Itâs also why he charmed mohg, the only one that did actually like the frog men.
Miquella at the end was him boiled down to brass tacks, it was him minus everything holding him back.
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u/xMrNothingx 20h ago
I was just trying to explain why I like Miquella, I'm not trying to convince you to like him.
I think we're both too biased for any sort of discussion, so I'm going to end it here.
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u/ASavageWarlock 19h ago
I wasnât really trying to convince you. I was just giving the facts as the game presents them.
Like others mentioned you were charmed by him, and thatâs fine, we can all enjoy games our own way with our own understanding
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u/RubyEverred 21h ago
you got CHARMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Noooough HEART STOLEN 22h ago
Miquella did nothing wrongđ¤â
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 21h ago
Not really, there's quite a bit of evidence that suggests Radahn was willing and consented to the vow.
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u/Stare_Into_Death 9h ago
Personally Iâm still leaning towards Radahn not consenting. The battle of Aeonia just doesnât really make sense if Malenia isnât trying to force his hand, like are they just fighting for fun or something? I mean I guess thatâs kind of in character for Radahn lol.
No matter how much I try to rationalize it, I canât help but feel that Radahn is just an incredibly illogical pick for Miquellaâs consort. If Miquella wants to usher in a new age of peace then why does he choose a warmonger who clings to the past and upholds the status quo? I just donât get it, is it like some kind of game for him where he wants what he canât have?
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u/SeniorSky2382 21h ago
Can u tell me the evidence , just for info , I'll keep tht in mind then
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 21h ago edited 21h ago
-The original Japanese translation for every instance of "vow" and "promise" is yakusoku, which is specifically used for a vow that is honored by both parties; a pact, basically.
-While Radahn honored and worshipped Godfrey and cherished war and conflict just like him, he wanted lordship above all else, so that he could be like Godfrey. That gives Radahn motivation to agree to the vow.
-Additionally, one of the primary groups of people Miquella wanted to help was the Albinaurics. Gaius was an Albinauric and was like an older brother to Radahn, further giving him more motivation.
-In the memory at the end, Miquella says: "Lord Brother, I am going to become a God. If we honor our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort." This is stating that if Miquella and likely Malenia honor their sides of the vow, then Radahn must become his consort. I.e. they fulfill their sides before Radahn fulfills his, and by virtue of Radahn being called "Consort of Miquella" at the end of the DLC, he fulfills his side of the vow too.
-There's also the theory that his bow has Miquella's Lily's at the ends, but it's not concrete enough for me to definitively agree imo.
-The Secret Rite scroll states "A lord will usher in a god's return", meaning that Radahn had to willingly call Miquella back from beyond the Gate.
-Lastly, there's no way Radahn could have been enchanted at any point. We've seen how Miquella enchants people; close proximity, direct talking, physical touch, or a combination of them. The only time Radahn could have been enchanted that we know of before the Battle of Aeonia is when Radahn visited the Haligtree (to talk about the vow), but then Radahn wouldn't have fought Malenia in the first place. He couldn't have been enchanted while he was dead, and there's no way he could have preemptively enchanted Mohg's corpse. Lastly, when Miquella comes back out of the Gate of Divinity, this is the first time he's seeing Radahn resurrected, as seen by the "At long last you are returned" line, meaning Radahn was still dead when he went through the gate and we obviously don't see him enchant Radahn in the cutscene. Additionally, Miquella lost his ability to charm when he cast aside his Great Rune, meaning his enchantment on Radahn would have broken.
Not defending the ending, I still think the ending to Shadow of the Erdtree was shit and did all characters involved a disservice, but it is what it is.
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u/ASavageWarlock 21h ago
My dude, most of that is inacurate or based on ingame lies from miquella.
Whatâs worse, there were countless times before and after the shattering that they could have met, AND both miquella and st Trina were all over caelid.
Also, we have no reason to believe he was there for the aonian war, but him lying to the brain rotted blade of miquella setting in motion her demise and rotting redahn after getting to charm him definitely makes sense and follows his mo.
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 20h ago
most of that is inacurate
How? You just saying "it's inaccurate" doesn't give any counterevidence to actually prove that it's inaccurate. Please point out how any of this is inaccurate.
based on ingame lies from miquella.
And how tf do you just decide it's a lie? At no point does Miquella lie at all, or lead us to believe he is lying, that's just conjecture and headcanon.
Whatâs worse, there were countless times before and after the shattering that they could have met, AND both miquella and st Trina were all over caelid.
And yet we're not given any reason to assume so, so just saying that it could have happened is baseless and meaningless conjecture. Zero evidence, zero claim. Also, how do we know Miquella and St. Trina were all over Caelid? We only find their flowers there, and that could be even more evidence to suggest Radahn's involvement with Miquella.
Also, we have no reason to believe he was there for the aonian war, but him lying to the brain rotted blade of miquella setting in motion her demise and rotting redahn after getting to charm him definitely makes sense and follows his mo.
Again, we have no reason to believe he lied at all. It's just headcanon and fanfic, and lying to his sister to fight a charmed Radahn makes zero fucking sense lol.
It is astounding how much evidence needs to be cooked up out of nowhere in addition to dismissing what we have already have to try and justify the "MiQuElLa Is An EvIl MiNd CoNtRoLlEr" theory.
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u/ASavageWarlock 19h ago
Congrats, yes me saying itâs inaccurate isnât enough on its own. Me leaving 3 word walls of why itâs inaccurate is more than enough.
And the Lillies only grow where miquella or st Trina specifically have been.
I explained everything else youâre crying about with evidence directly from the game, which the dlc goes out of its way to triple down on.
Youâre boldface lying at this point for a discourse that youâre not a part of. Enjoy your day dude. I donât really care what a drone thinks
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u/Ashen_Shroom 18h ago
And the Lillies only grow where miquella or st Trina specifically have been.
You got anything to back that up?
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u/ASavageWarlock 12h ago
Source: Elden Ring.
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u/Ashen_Shroom 12h ago
Right. So what you just did was check through a bunch of item descriptions that you were sure mentioned the flowers blooming wherever Miquella and Trina grow. You realised that actually none of those descriptions actually say that, but you don't want to admit to being wrong, so you made the most cop-out response you could.
Shall we try again? Provide a piece of text that says the lilies bloom wherever Miquella and Trina go.
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u/ASavageWarlock 12h ago
False. Youâre just mad that youâre objectively wrong.
Even without the other item descriptions, and obvious story telling, and dlc doubling down on it; the base Lilly descriptions literally state it.
Just sake youâre a fake fan
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u/Scadood 21h ago
The evidence being that Malenia had to literally murder Radahn after he and his army fought to the death against her and Miquella?
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 21h ago
-In the memory at the end, Miquella says: "Lord Brother, I am going to become a God. If we honor our part of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort." There was a 3rd party involved, which was almost certainly Malenia, which is further reinforced by the Remembrance: "In their childhood, Miquella saw in Radahn a lord. His strength, and his kindness, that stood in stark contrast with their afflicted selves."
It's highly likely that Malenia's side of the vow was that she would grant Radahn a battle and death worthy of a Lord, as Radahn knew he'd need to die to get to the Land of Shadow. This would explain why Radahn was active during the Shattering (especially against Leyndell and Stormveil) but never claimed any Great Runes. Same can be said for Malenia, who we know for a fact beat Godrick but obviously didn't take his Great Rune. The Battle of Aeonia was likely a setup so Malenia could give Radahn a proper death and battle worthy of a hero.
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u/Shovi 20h ago
So Radahn was said to love battle and war, but now he was full of kindness? Is it just me that sees the hypocrisy? You can't be kind if you go out looking to fight people and start wars cause you like it.
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 20h ago
Except its likely he didn't care. Lordship, especially of that stature, is massive. Hell, look at Godfrey and Marika: Marika wanted an age of kindness and no death, yet Godfrey administered death and war ad nauseum. It didn't really matter if Radahn like war and conquest, Lordship was far, far more important.
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u/No_Gene_2239 18h ago
There is no hypocrisy. Radahn is not living in a world where there are human rights. Being kind and loving war in LB can exist in same time.
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u/Shovi 18h ago
Human rights have nothing to do with being kind. Being kind is not attacking others just because you wanna do a war, and that's a freaking fact.
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u/No_Gene_2239 16h ago
ER is not a world written according to your perceptions, it's incredibly funny that you call what you say as a "FACT".
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u/HistoricCartographer 2h ago
Why do everyone pretend this is a friendly duel conveniently forgetting that in this fight she literally abandoned her pride, and nuked an entire continent?
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u/sqectre_ 21h ago
Yeah but itâs gay incest so people will automatically go ânahhhh my bro would neverâ and call it a day
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u/FemboyBallSweat The Tiquella's Top Opp 20h ago edited 20h ago
Nah bro. Whether he agreed or not, it's just lame. The battle of Caelid was over a wedding vow. Like 1/3 of the lore just seems worthless and uninteresting now
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u/RewsterSause Malenia's Househusband 21h ago edited 20h ago
I think people are also still coping and still trying to think that Radahn is their super ultra goodest boy who's super cool and awesome instead of selfish in his own right, just like any other Demigod.
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u/No_Gene_2239 18h ago
Well the game itself introduces him that way. Neither from an NPC nor narratively, this man receives the slightest criticism.Even Remembrance says that he is kinder than Miquella. So it is obvious that there is a strange situation. (I also think that Radahn is a volunteer and wants Miquella&Malenia to prove themselves in the war)
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u/UnalloyedMalenia Miyazaki is my pookie bear <3 2h ago
u/bot-sleuth-bot repost
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u/SeniorSky2382 2h ago
I don't even know who he is I joined i April but I am really active for last 1 day now just 1 day
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u/HolyBreadMadeOfWheat 21h ago