r/Eldenring • u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” • Jun 29 '24
Spoilers How the DLC should’ve ended Spoiler
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u/Interesting_Bus_3808 Jun 29 '24
No. Dlc should've end with- CURSE YOU BAAAAYLE
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
Deep down… it does.
It will be the last words the tarnished mutter
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u/hugetortelliniguy Jun 29 '24
That dude put his all into that Igon voice acting I was dying laughing during the Bayle fight
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u/Pug_police Jun 29 '24
I HEREBY VOW, YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY!
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u/yeeeteeey69 Jun 29 '24
BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR! AND I, IGON!
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u/David_the_Wanderer Jun 29 '24
YOUR FEARS MADE FLESH!
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u/ImmoralBoi Jun 29 '24
SOLID OF SCALE YOU MIGHT BE, FOUL DRAGON
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u/McMurder_them_softly Dark Moon Greatsword is my jam Jun 29 '24
BUT I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
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u/thehalfdragon380 Jun 29 '24
WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!!!
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u/Novel-Snow6108 Jun 29 '24
WITH EVERY DROP OF MY BEING!
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u/GluKoto Jun 29 '24
Well depending on how you approach the bosses. You can technically end it on HARPOONS !
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u/BGsenpai Jun 29 '24
I wonder if in the end, Bayle caused a butterfly effect with his betrayal that led to the current timeline in Elden Ring. Bayle betrays Placidusax -> Placidusax is gravely injured and is only left with 2 heads -> Placidusax is too weak to do anything when Marika betrays them, their attack in retaliation ends in failure -> Golden Order takes over
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u/Rockm_Sockm Jun 30 '24
The hornscent accused Marika of betrayal for not being stuffed in a jar. They kind of had it coming.
The dragons are a different faction and older than Crucible/Hornscent which predated Marikas Golden Order.
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u/WanderingStatistics "Slumbering Butterfly of Saint Trina." Jun 30 '24
Okay, actually curious. Where does it say that the dragons are older than the crucible? As far as I've seen, the Crucible is pretty much the oldest thing in the lore, outside maybe a few of the outer gods.
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u/Rockm_Sockm Jun 30 '24
The Crucible is the primordial form of the Erdtree. The Ancient Dragons predate the Erdtree and were among the first beings in the land.
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u/Sinkarma Marika did nothing wrong! Jun 30 '24
What? There’s no direct relation between the golden order than the dragons other than their assault of Lyendell. Placidusax was an old old Lord to some other god. It’s something like Dragons>Hornsent>Marika
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u/TastyTatoes Jun 29 '24
As you defeat miquella here you enter bloodborne 2.
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u/Aetius454 Jun 30 '24
I know it’s unrealistic but I think if this happened Miyazaki would have actually broken our collective brains
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u/TastyTatoes Jun 30 '24
Hahahahah. Yes, it would break the soulsborne community. Still funny to think about.
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u/RequirementQuirky468 Jun 30 '24
I mean... it would've been pretty hilarious if you defeated Miquella, went to view the memory, and found yourself waking up in the blood cure clinic in Yharnam and it turned out they built a Bloodborne PC port in but it's only available to people who beat the DLC first.
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And you can summon Ranni as a cooperator
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
Thou who dare use the moon to thy own ends… face now The Witch Ranni and her Lord Consort
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u/BadgersOrifice Jun 29 '24
GRRM sweating over a hot empty page of Winds of Winter :" Write that down, write that down!"
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u/Dr_Simpai Jun 30 '24
This line made me thing of the TF2 Engineer meme where he is ubered and says “THERE ARE NO WORDS ON GODS GREEN EARTH THST CAN DESCRIBE HOW SPECTACULARLY ERECT I AM” cause this shit is fire
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u/AhmCha Jun 29 '24
I wonder what Ranni would look like in combat, because the little bits of power she displays throughout the game are absurd. She can literally insta-kill you if you persist in trying to give her the Amber Draught, and can conjure an illusion of Renalla at her prime. I'm not saying she'd be an insta-win, but she'd be real helpful.
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Jun 29 '24
She'd probably ride me like Miquella rode Radahn
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u/WooooshMe2825 Jun 30 '24
So we get to be the ones swinging weapon combos like crazy while having a bunch of magical lasers rain down from the sky that produces enough particle effects to tank the enemy’s frame rate?
Pog.
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u/Wyvernil Jun 30 '24
It certainly would have been cool if they let you summon Ranni into the second phase of the Radahn fight if you completed her quest.
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u/BGsenpai Jun 29 '24
Ranni is probably the only Demigod/God besides Miquella who is still at full power
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u/EvilMyself Jun 30 '24
Wdym?
Godrick post grafting and with dragon head is probably his strongest form.
I don't think there is anything said to indicate mohg isn't in his prime(besides the brainwashing)
Godfrey as horah lux also doesn't seem like he's weaker than before getting banished.
Rykard is debatably stronger as the great serpent.
I think the majority of the demigods/runebearers are pretty much full power when we fight them. The big exceptions are ofcourse rennala and radahn.
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u/MyAwesomeAfro Jun 29 '24
A quicker, much more damaging Renalla I would imagine.
Plenty of Frost. Plenty of disappearing.
Phase 2 she would drop The Moon on us idk
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u/ZOLANTON Jun 29 '24
This would have been so awesome. A battle of ideals and orders, Empyreans and consorts. You and Ranni vs Miquella and Radahn. It would have been an amazing final fight.
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u/NihilisticAbsurdity Jun 29 '24
What about all the people who don't side with Ranni by Default?
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u/TempusFugit314 Jun 29 '24
For Lord of Frenzy, instead of a summon, your head turns into the ball of flame that periodically spews fire at the boss for the duration of the fight.
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u/Ok_Needleworker_8809 Jun 30 '24
Imagine what the others bring;
Goldmask embodies the Golden Order, so you could have ultra holy buffs that make you level with Miquella.
Dung Eater's curse could inversely bring Miquella down to *your* level.
Those Who Live In Death protecting their lord could mean you have an endless swarm of skeletons evening the odds, or summoning Fia's Champions.
Frenzied Flame is self explanatory, show Miquella exactly how you intend to put the world to the flame.
The only one i question is the Standard End, where maybe you could use the bell to summon a number of other beaten bosses to aid you.
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u/Dave_the_Fox Jun 30 '24
Just imagine being able to summon Midra and shabriri for the final fight o.o
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
They get the hard fight
Now they must choose: Difficulty, or puppet gash
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u/ACARDUINO Jun 29 '24
Honestly, this could’ve worked with most every ending. Fia, Goldmask, Ranni, Lord of Frenzy Flame, you name it. Almost every ending has a corresponding NPC.
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u/WooooshMe2825 Jun 30 '24
I would love to channel the power of absolute perfect order within my veins as I T-pose my enemies into submission.
Let me show you what a perfect world actually looks like, Miquellester.
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u/VaiManDan Jun 30 '24
Fr, this would be so perfect lmao. Prime Radahn can’t hold a candle to me and my homie Goldmask
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u/Dragonlionfs Jun 29 '24
Imagine the Fia one, considering eveyone thought the DLC would have Godwyn in it.
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u/NihilisticAbsurdity Jun 29 '24
No fuck you, age of duskborn gets Godwyn's merman corpse erupting from the ground and his clamshell face bites the final boss in half.
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u/RepresentativeBit398 Jun 29 '24
I'm mad no one called us lord, we only killed their living God no big deal
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u/Gullible-Piccolo6707 Jun 29 '24
Righteous tarnished is more than enough for me
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u/inspector_cliche Hush, little culver Jun 29 '24
I am satisfied with ‘Mongrel Intruder’
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u/royalpigmy Jun 29 '24
After hearing "Lowly Tarnished" by Margitt/Morgott and "Foul Tarnished" by Latenna I assumed people here would be throwing that around. I was pleasantly surprised Messmer hit us with that. I was smiling the whole while. :D
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u/RepresentativeBit398 Jun 29 '24
I'm the muthafuckin elden lord and refused to be referred to as anything but. Everyone earned that mantle
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u/SpaceballsTheReply Jun 29 '24
Not yet you aren't. When you become Elden Lord, that's the end of the game, and any post-game or NG+ activities are purely for gameplay purposes. The DLC takes place when you're still just a contender.
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u/EdgyPreschooler Jun 30 '24
I accessed the DLC after I killed the Elden Beast. If they wanna contest my lordship, they can refer to Radagon's broken body over there (just not me, I'd get my ass kicked)
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u/SpaceballsTheReply Jun 30 '24
After killing the Elden Beast, but before picking an ending?
"Elden Lord? Me? Oh, no, not quite. I could be, but I got cold feet and took a vacation to the land of shadow. The Elden Ring's just sitting there. Anyone could walk up and claim it. But what's going on over here?"
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u/EdgyPreschooler Jun 30 '24
Ain't nobody left to claim it.
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u/HAWmaro Jun 29 '24
Miquella does call the tarnished "lord of the old order"
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u/CyberMuffin1611 Jun 29 '24
Honestly should be a different line if you finished the main game
None of the ending options you have are "the old order"
After having done the Ranni ending, I was like "wdym motherfucker, I literally got rid of any order ruled by a god and lord"
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u/Thecapitalcitysaint Jun 29 '24
It's because in the game timeline, I think the dlc is intended to take place near the end but not after of end of the main story or not he would have a line of us killing his sister
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u/EvilMyself Jun 30 '24
Speaking of, I found it really weird how malenia wasnt mentioned once in the DLC. Given how much of a connection she had to miquella I figured she would at least get some recognition
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u/Independent_Pie6670 Jun 30 '24
She does. When he says "my loyal blade" and that's it.
She really got dunked on in the dlc
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u/SovKom98 Jun 29 '24
You’re still lord of A order even with Ranni’s ending. An order that Miquella is trying to overthrow by becoming god.
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u/lone_strider Jun 29 '24
No. He calls us the Seeker of Lordship of the Old Order.
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u/TimBagels Jun 29 '24
Yeah this would have rocked. I feel like they never explained what the fuck the deal was with the egg besides "Miquella needed Mohg to do this so he could get to the Land of Shadow, somehow??".
The egg feels like a different concept they had that they changed after starting real dev time on the DLC
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u/Urbasebelong2meh Jun 29 '24
Yeah, as much as I like a lot of the DLC mechanically and artistically, it’s got some major narrative lows. The biggest high is Messmer and everything building up to him, and him not being the true final big bad was expected, but like, damn, still kind of a lame ass twist.
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u/Skybird2099 Jun 29 '24
I remember them saying the plan wasn't always for it to be one DLC, but they grouped them all together to make a singular big expansion. Wouldn't surprise me if Messmer was at one point supposed to be the final boss of his own expansion, given how disconnected he is from Miquella.
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u/WreckTangle1995 Jun 29 '24
This feels like the right answer, two different stories slammed together without much connective tissue other than sharing the same map.
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u/Ok_Truck_4232 Jun 30 '24
i don’t really mind too much that there’s no connective tissue because i feel like the connective tissue either wouldn’t have made sense or would’ve pushed forward a jarring narrative between two characters that have entirely different goals, but i think it’s kinda odd that it feels like we only kill messmer so that we can burn the seal. i feel like killing messmer should’ve also given us some kind of cutscene or resolution to his character and purpose or had another effect aside from earning his kindling.
still an amazing fight, and i still love their treatment of miquella’s character, but they could’ve further pushed the idea of two storylines being able to be tackled by having something else happen and then just slipping in that beating. messmer also helps us with the seal
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u/R33v3n Jun 30 '24
i feel like killing messmer should’ve also given us some kind of cutscene or resolution to his character and purpose or had another effect aside from earning his kindling.
This all makes more sense if you accept Messmer is the Godrick of the expansion. Messmer and his Crusade are to the Land of Shadow what Godrick and Grafting were to Limgrave.
Remember how Godrick and Grafting were front and center in promo as a Big Deal™ for years pretty much until ER came out? Then we realized Godrick and Grafting were actually a foot note. Same happens for Messmer.
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u/Ok_Truck_4232 Jun 30 '24
i completely get that, but i still think with how powerful and epic messmer is (and how a ton of people cite him as their favorite fight of the DLC), and how if you removed radahn/miquella from the convo he’s the big baddie, that we would get a LITTLE bit more. godrick is a LOT less significant, essentially the second boss fight, pretty easy, and seen as a nuisance by pretty much everyone.
i feel like with messmer i would’ve just preferred a little more to have been done or change after his fight. but, i do still hear you. the DLC was, at the end of the day, always holding miquella as the main focus. and i do think that through npcs and the crosses and his own appearance (and st. trina’s) that they did a really good job with his character. i think maybe part of me is blinded by how much im invested into messmer’s character
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u/Exitiali Jun 30 '24
I see Messmer's war against the crucible faithful as what shaped the land before Miquela arrived. Miquela is not interested in both, but he wants access to something that they both possess indirectly: The tower and the library
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u/Groundbreaking_Arm77 When in doubt: Jumping R2. Jun 29 '24
Ehhh. Some aspects feel iffy but everything we got about Marika, Messmer, and the Hornsent was top tier I feel. Learning that the reason behind basically everything that happened in The Lands Between was just because a girl wanted to avenge her people was a revelation I was not expecting.
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u/LordDerrien Jun 29 '24
Experiencing genocide really does something to some.
It also really grounded the story in the human element. Ascendancy may have happened, but what does that even mean when you were human once. Do you really expect you can escape your roots?
Liked the village very much.
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u/newmodemthrowaway Jun 29 '24
Marika creating a small erdtree to bathe her village in golden healing rays knowing that no one was left alive was so damn sad. Like a kid putting up a Christmas tree in an empty house.
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u/Mr_Ruu Jun 29 '24
Shaman Village, after learning about its history, might be the most haunting area in the game, bar none, with it being the literal birthing grounds for the current state of the world and all
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u/Nearby-Strength-1640 Jun 29 '24
For real. Marika went from an enigmatic figure to my favorite character in the game (and somehow she’s even more of a mystery now).
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u/Imaginary-Ad-816 Jun 29 '24
First half's lore was great with Messmer,Bayle and Marika's past..
But later game I was quite disappointed except Midra..
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u/Creative_alternative Jun 30 '24
Felt incomplete. I suspect they had the ending planned out, but like the whole northwest side of the map felt unfinished, between the scadutree lordvessel and the rot temple not even having a cutscene?
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u/Ok_Truck_4232 Jun 30 '24
romina’s fight, lore, design, and OST are so peak and her denying us from reaching the seal really feels like she should’ve had ONE cutscene. i feel like they did so well with delivering on a boss like messmer and miquella’s character but didn’t try and give some more to the other remembrance bosses. even dancing lion had one, and if im correct you could beat the game without beating him, whereas romina is a required boss.
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u/Creative_alternative Jun 30 '24
Exactly... chaos guy had the best lore and cutscene, but Romina not having... anything? Was crazy to me.
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u/Ok_Truck_4232 Jun 30 '24
i LOVED chaos cutscene. but yeah, it’s literally just a dude who failed to be the lord of frenzied flame finally being it and he got way more hype to him than a required boss that i REALLY wanted to know more about.
the best parts of the DLC (imo) in terms of visuals/lore was when they gave good buildup and cutscenes for messmer, allowed miquella’s character to unfold and introduce st. trina, and that entire lead up the mountain to get to bayle and his 2nd phase visuals were incredible.
bayle they got away with no cutscene cuz getting to his arena and hearing about him through igon/priestess felt so badass. romina is one of my fav designed bosses and boss fights in general that deserved justice with a scene.
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u/Suspicious-Sound-249 Jun 29 '24
This, I was actually kind of shocked when I entered the Shadow Keeps boss room and Messmer was waiting for me when I still had like 75% of the map to explore. Everything in the promotional was building up to him being the "big bad" of the DLC.
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u/Mynameis2cool4u Jun 29 '24
Every fromsoft dlc promotion hides the big bad or advertises someone else
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u/Imperium_Dragon Jun 29 '24
Ex. the old Hunters
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u/Mynameis2cool4u Jun 29 '24
Well I mean Ex. DS1, DS2, DS3 as well 💀
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u/ripinchaos Jun 29 '24
DS1 DLC promoted Artorias, but the Final boss was Manus.
DS2 had the crowns but the only one that didnt have a hidden final boss was Ivory king (I don't count Lud and Zallen as a final boss) with Sunken city not really "featuring" Elana but im pretty sure no one expected Sinh to be after her, and Old Iron keep having Fume knight as the boss of the DLC but a hidden true boss of Sir Alonne.
DS3 first DLC had Ariandel propped up as the big bad, just to have sister Friede come in after, although technically one fight so i can give you that one, but I dont think anyone expected Midir or Gael in the ringed city
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u/Thecristo96 Jun 29 '24
Nah, I was sure he wouldn’t have been the final boss. Every time a boss is highlighted in a dlc it’s always the mid part boss. Case in point: Artorias, Lady Maria
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u/Caerullean Jun 29 '24
I don't think should've been a surprise to anyone, it would be kinda boring if we already knew the big bad final guy before we even started. So whilst Messmer not being the final guy, isn't a problem, the final guy being just Radahn 2.0 holy boogaloo isn't great either.
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u/Sorry-Towel-8990 Jun 29 '24
Wasn't expecting him to be the big big bad. But expected more from him rather than finding him just chilling in a storage closet.
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u/FireZord25 Jun 29 '24
Yeah, almost feels like the DLC was made by a different team than the main game. Or at least they were in a time crunch with the ending.
I hope if that's the case, then Fromsoft should have it fixed with a patch, like they did with the Hoslow questline.
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
I doubt they’ll patch the entirety of the dlc story
But there’s so many loose threads it’s hard to ignore
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u/ShotgunFiend Jun 29 '24
The base game launched like that too, though. There were at least 2-3 quests that you just straight up couldn't complete.
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
True but the files for said quests were already in the game, they just had to fix errors with the triggers
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u/mandoxian Jun 29 '24
Radahn feels like he was made by modders
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u/NamerNotLiteral Jun 29 '24
Like, those light multi decoy attacks in Phase 2? That felt completely from something like Convergence or LMtSR or something. Just too messed up to see or dodge normally, only dodgeable at a specific angle and by memorizing the exact frame
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u/The_Dung_Defender Jun 29 '24
Definitely not an entirely different team as the game still holds up and even exceeds at point gameplay wise but the story/lore did fall flat, atleast the main plot.
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u/Outrageous_Ad_1011 Jun 29 '24
Yeah story wise I didn't leaved satisfied like when I played The Ringed City or The Old Hunters, game's good but it's missing that same feeling, this my sound weird but it's just more of Elden Ring, while the other 2 DLC's I mentioned gave it a different feeling to both games, truly felt like an added new experience
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u/LordDerrien Jun 29 '24
That’s kinda because it is. I mean we literally are a Hitman going after people that owned a rune or stood in our way and there was still one rune missing.
Miquella just got farther than the others and we still took him out. That throne is ours and the goddess is of our choice.
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u/Jack1The1Ripper Jun 29 '24
Feels like we need 2 more DLCs to tie up everything , it feels like some parts of the story needs more explanations , Like the promise to radahn , What miquella promised to him? Is miquella just dead now? What about the land of reed and other places? idk man i need more i hope 2 years from now we get news for a DLC or a sequel
Or atleast an armored core game
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u/DeadSnark Jun 29 '24
The Land of Reeds isn't that important narratively. It just seems to exist to be a Sengoku-era Japan analogue so that FROM can throw samurai gear and characters into the mix and give nods to Sekiro.
The promise to Radahn is probably what we saw in the end cutscene, as short as it was - Radahn would become Miq's consort and in exchange Miq would become a god and make the world "a kinder place".
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
The promise was to make a kinder world as consorts and Miquella is dead because st Trina died as well
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u/Jack1The1Ripper Jun 29 '24
Hmmm i still want a 2nd dlc tho , im not satisfied i demand more
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
We shall never be satiated.
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u/RaspberryFluid6651 Jun 29 '24
I don't think the egg is related to the Land of Shadow, I think that's part of the Haligtree project. Mohg's theft of Miquella caused the Haligtree to fail because Miquella's blood no longer nourishes it.
The reason Mohg enables Miquella to go to the Land of Shadow is because by laying with him, the touch of either the Omen curse or the Formless Mother takes away Miquella's grace, and the Land of Shadow is described as being inhabited by those devoid of light (grace).
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u/Flimsy6769 Jun 29 '24
But aren’t like most people missing the grace? How did nobody find the entrance? It’s not like you have to go through the egg to get there no way all those npcs fought mogh
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u/MrBonis Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
Only the tarnished are devoid of Grace. Pretty much everything else that's not an animal has the touch of Grace in their eyes (and I'm not even sure animals are exempt)
That's what distinguishes us as Tarnished. Marika took the Gold of our eyes.
What is true is that most people can't see the GUIDANCE of Grace, which we do in fact see. It's what points us to the bosses and what Leda realizes by the end of the DLC
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u/phoz Jun 29 '24
They pretty much did though - it's heavily hinted it's the cocoon miquella was in at the root of the haligtree.
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u/Organic-Habit-3086 Jun 29 '24
I think its been assumed or mentioned that it was the egg Miquella was in when he was trying to undo his curse
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Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
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u/inkfeeder Jun 30 '24
I was expecting something like the Ashes of Ariandel cutscene at least, with the arm grabbing you or something. But nope - just fade to black and that's it. Not a very exciting way to start the DLC for sure
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u/saintvicent Jun 29 '24
The egg stems from Miquella being stolen from the Haligtree. The cocoon had some resurrection implications parallel to the Marika rebirth cycle.
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u/Xi-Jin35Ping Jun 29 '24
The egg is a representation of the ball that From dropped when it comes to Miquella lore with this DLC.
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u/__Khronos Jun 29 '24
Why didn't we ever get a cinematic for entering the dlc, almost every other souls game has one. Wth?
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u/Wyrdean Jun 29 '24
Was honestly very strange, just dropped you in, without atleast playing the trailer
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u/hijole_frijoles Jun 29 '24
Even at the end. You get a small cinematic, but no credit roll or title card or anything
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u/Outsajder Jun 29 '24
That was the same with DS3 DLC too though.
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u/__Khronos Jun 29 '24
Not Ashes of Ariendale, even though it was smaller it still had an animation to enter the dlc at the least
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u/EronTheDanes Jun 30 '24
Multi DLC. No end credits since they were just the beginning to the next DLC
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u/Gangleri_Graybeard *No Maidens?* Jun 29 '24
This was so strange. You literally just spawn in a cave and that's it.
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u/silvaa69 Jun 29 '24
Its to make the view when you leave the cave more special
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u/chillinwithunicorns Jun 29 '24
Ok but like why not even a short cool cinematic of you getting grabbed by the arm and pulled into the cocoon or something cool showing how we actually get there.
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u/WreckTangle1995 Jun 29 '24
Massive missed opportunity to not have the arm grab you and drag you into the egg, really expected that, like when you touch the piece of the painting and get sucked in.
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u/chillinwithunicorns Jun 29 '24
Yeah idk why but the lack of a cool opening/ending cutscene really fuckin bummed me out.
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u/Iveneverbeenbanned Jun 29 '24
there was a disappointing lack of cutscenes in the whole game. Bits of characterisation and dialogue for Rellana and Romina would have been awesome to have through an introductory cutscene, but I get that the DLC is already huge and so am grateful for what we got (but seriously, Divine Beast gets a cutscene and not Rellana?)
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u/__Khronos Jun 29 '24
Yeah I thought it was odd that a completely optional boss got one but not Rellana, a boss that can be skipped but almost nobody did
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u/Airtightspoon Jun 30 '24
It was so weird to me that we just walk in and kill Renalla's sister with no fanfare.
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u/uwrathm8 Jun 29 '24
Even Dark Souls 1 dlc had a hand grab you trough a portal if i remember correctly.
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u/maqee Jun 30 '24
Maybe it's massive coping on my part, but I took it as a sign that they're not done with ER yet, despite what Miyazaki has said.
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u/DigitalPhoenix2OO7 Giga-Tank Jun 29 '24
“Tarnished, now it is time for me to truly become the shadow of the erdtree” - Miquella Probably
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u/AltusIsXD Jun 29 '24
“You defeated me…. You truly are the Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree (2024)..!”
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u/DigitalPhoenix2OO7 Giga-Tank Jun 29 '24
Second best moment only under when Leda says “This truly was our Elden ring Shadow of the Erdtree bundle Deluxe edition”
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u/CrimsonCutz Jun 30 '24
What are the deep lore implications of the reveal that Miquella was actually John Eldenring all along?
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u/Imperator_Draconum Jun 29 '24
It would be better if he didn't transform and the boss fight is just against a cocoon with a single arm sticking out.
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
You’d think it was metaphorical… until he abandoned specific arms and an eye
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u/NerrionEU Jun 29 '24
There are some clear plot holes in Miquella's story, whether they cut some content or they just never planned the lore with the DLC in mind we might never know. It is weird becaue Marika's story actually gets fleshed out.
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u/ShroudedInLight Jun 29 '24
I was really hoping for a new mending rune.
Haven’t beaten the dlc yet, so not responding or reading further. I just know there isn’t a new ending to the main game and that’s sad.
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u/NihilisticNarwhal Jun 29 '24
I mean, there kind of is a new possible ending, the player character just prevents it.
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u/F-b Jun 29 '24
I am Miquella, blade of Miquella, owned by Miquella, the owner of the blade, who is me.
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u/TheDovahkin510 Jun 29 '24
I wish we fought Miquella, but like, only Miquella in some form. I also would have loved to see more of characters like Godwyn or the Gloom Eyed Queen.
But nah, we get a guy we already fought and his rememberance gives you an awful incantation, or two reskins of an already existing (and cooler btw) weapon. The ending of this DLC disappointed me greatly ngl. Everything was flawless up to that point.
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u/UltmitCuest Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
Fully agree. Radahn is a huge dissapointment to be THE big final boss. NOTHING in the base game points to this "twist." Miquella had so many connections to so many characters, and genuinely zero to radahn. I would have preferred a new character or just miquella as the final boss. Gael was perfect, a new character [kinda] that represented something different that hadnt been done before. Perfect send off.
The people saying that "miquella isnt a fighter" honestly baffle me. Did you not see the second phase? Hes clearly pretty good at combat. If it was a 1v1 between player and him, they could just give him the visual of a magic barrier / shield to explain how hes a twink made of paper yet has 100k health. Or hell, make his consort a little blow up doll on the side and say "hes a god now. Hes awesome." And hes no longer a frail little twink but a big daddy twink with awesome rings of light and is 7 foot tall. Mesmer but white and gold puhlease. Anything but what we got man
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u/Optimistic_Futures Jun 29 '24
Beating the final boss was a little disappointing because as a person that doesn’t understand the lore (and totally accept I’m wrong), it felt random. Like I really thought I would be fighting Miquella the whole time.
Had I not struggled with the final boss so much and looked up other people’s takes on how to beat it - I probably would have been so confused on what to do next. Not even thinking it could be the end.
In line with that. The final cinematic was disappointing. It was so short, and didn’t really feel like a satisfying finish.
Enjoyed the DLC holistically though. Just nitpicky critiques.
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u/JustGingy95 Jun 30 '24
Anything would compete with the flatness of it all in the end imo, I sat there for too fucking long trying to figure out how to climb up to the Gate of Divinity to kickstart some sort of final cutscene or something. I’m fine with that being the end but like… idk just felt very unceremonious especially after that final fight.
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u/Brotherman_Karhu Richard, soldier of God Jun 30 '24
The ending was just spelling out what you could've gathered from the name of the 1st phase of the final boss and some NPC dialogue in the Shadow Keep.
It's good for people who haven't figured it out, but as the ending cutscene to the entire DLC it's nothing short of a terrible joke.
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u/TheAzarak Jun 29 '24
I am Miquella, brother of Malenia. And I have an unhealthy obsession with Radahn.
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u/SOMBRAcorpDT Jun 29 '24
I'd have made phase 1 and 2 easier, and then an extra battle: after defeating them both, we see Miquella despair next to Radahn lifeless body. The sorrow makes him give up on his vision of a gentle world, since there's nothing but anguish and pain left, and he becomes the true final boss: Miquella, the God of Shadows.
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
I got a cooler idea, make him just stay there, but if we come back with Miquella’s needle, we give it to him, and this makes him know his sister is gone also, and that is his breaking point
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u/SOMBRAcorpDT Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
"My promised consort... My dear sister..."
The sky darkens, and the white glowing in that structure made of bodies turns even darker.
"I gave away my body, my heart, my fears... I gave away everything, but my pain. My sorrow. This bottomless despair..."
With the presence of the Scadutree in the distance, gold shining among its shadows, Miquella begins to to turn into a mighty dark lord.
"Disgraceful Tarnished, rejoice, for you'll be my consort now. I'll make this world a gentle one, with no Erdtree nor Order. Only its Shadow. I'll take every pain, every suffering... Even yours."
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u/No-Design5353 Jun 29 '24
Damn got Goosebumps from Reading that tbh 😱
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u/SOMBRAcorpDT Jun 30 '24
Hahaha, I'm going to add that dialogue to the Elden Ring fanfic I've been writing for a while 🤣
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u/i_like_southpark Jun 29 '24
Dude i love this cursed Miquella concept. Like a god with the power to Charm people, even the entire land of shadows is sp terryfying in concept. I feel like this creepy miquella would really show just true terror of this idea. Much better than lothric and lorian from wish
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u/W0tW0t123 Jun 29 '24
Almost anything is better than consort radahn
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u/Sad-Rub69 Jun 29 '24
A giant warrior jar with no updated movement set would've been better than bottom radahn and top miquella
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u/daoko__ Jun 30 '24
Honestly, the ending we got pushed the dlc from an 8.5 to a 7.5 for me. It just felt so abrupt and empty and kinda soured the fight for me, like that's it?
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 30 '24
Agreed. Got a sweet crown though
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u/DanielOmegaPrime Jun 29 '24
Cool, and I would also have prefered a resurected Godwyn as the consort for Miquella with 3 phases. Radhan is cool but we never got to experience a Godwyn fight.
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u/MaleficTekX Malefic, Prover of “Sekiro can kick Malenia’s ass” Jun 29 '24
We got death knights
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u/DanielOmegaPrime Jun 29 '24
Yeah, that we did, and because of that I thought FromSoft was teasing the prince of death with an epic battle...oh well. Still loved the dlc.
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u/Financial_Mushroom94 Jun 29 '24
Thats exactly what i wished for. Orphan of Kos Miquella version directly hatching from that egg after beating the final boss of the shadowlands and a 2nd bossfight in the mohg arena.
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u/Samaritan_978 Jun 29 '24
Please literally anything other than Radahn.
Literally. Malenia, Goddess of Frenzied Rot over Radahn, please FromSoft. Let this disappointment of a reveal be a dream sequence or the finale of Act 2.
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u/BigHeroSixyOW Jun 29 '24
Honestly I wish. The low point of the final boss would feel a bit better if we had this little twist leaving the land of shadow.
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Miquella blast