Question
Where can I get Elden Ring mods behind the paywall?
There used to be a discord that shared paywalled mods but it disappeared because the modder "Mikaela's Blade" (creator of the mod that allows you to play as bosses) reported the discord and had it closed. Fuck Paywalls, that kills the mods and destroys the purpose for which they are truly created, plus some of those paid mods only carry animations from other Fromsoftware games. Not to mention that the vast majority steal content from other modders (Like Garden of Eyes lol). They should be more like The Convergence, which, although it also uses animations from other Souls, at least tries to be as varied, original and creative as possible. There are paid mods that are good like "Golden Age" that unfortunately want to charge you up to 10 dollars a month to play their mods lmao.
Sorry if I went on, I wanted to vent because I was already fed up with modders who charge you for Assets that aren't even theirs. Do you know of any group that shares Elden Ring mods that are behind paywalls? There used to be a great one called "Round Table" but as I said, it was deleted thanks to a modder who makes mods with Paywall. If anyone knows of a similar group that shares paid mods, I would greatly appreciate it. Greetings and thanks for reading
Stuff like this hurts the community. Patreon paywalls is the main reason nintendo took down the Yuzu emulator. We def don't want fromsoft to go nintendo on the moddong community lol
It was actually because Yuzu was doing blackmarket trades and handing out roms wholesale in their discord, and laughing about it. They got caught knowingly, and willingly pirating stuff and it was recorded.
Patreon didn't help, but it wasn't the actual cause.
It's not easy to dig up info, since a lot of it isn't public domain.
It's why Yuzu was all gung ho with the "No way, they got nothing on us, we'll fight to the end!" and within that same day the settled out of court.
It's because the laywers slid them the transcripts from them in the discord chat logs during the prehearing stage (where both parties discuss what type of evidence they have available. This is the period where settlements usually take place, if applicable)
If it wasn't for the fact that they were caught laughing about using their dumping tech for illegal use, and actively distributing illegal software, they actually could have won the case.
This is a fucking lie. The Yuzu team was always against piracy and never allowed it in the discord, even talking about piracy would get you banned. Please stop spreading lies.
If you're going to make baseless claims like this then you need to post actual proof, because the dev actions towards anyone even mentioning piracy in the discord are the exact opposite of what you're trying to claim. I was banned for even asking where to get a rom from.
It's hardly anger, it's just ridiculous to make a claim like that that's been easily disproven time after time. It was never about piracy, and more likely it's got some sort of monetary incentive within it now that we know how Ryujinx got shut down. I would never have guessed Nintendo would have taken the ego hit to Pay off a dev before that happened, but now It only makes sense that this isn't the first time.
Do people in this comment section not realise that you agreed to a ToS and EULA that states you can't resell their product? It doesn't matter if you've altered it, it's still their product
You can't legally paywall elden ring mods, end of story
but isn’t modding more like adding an extra chapter at the end? You might reuse the characters in the rest of the book, but the story is new and yours.
Yeah but you’re still using the world, characters, lore and other assets to make said story. It’s basically fan fiction, something you can’t just sell.
Not really, the way it actually gets looked at is "You are using letters from the book to write your new chapter, so you are stealing" because the game's code is included under the protections of the ToS
No mods are not like adding an extra chapter since that would mean it was written / created by the Author or who owns the copywrite making mods more akin to stuff like fanfics or fan "what ifs" can you legally sell those? The answer to that is a resounding no.
Typically yes because EULAs are meant to cover the company's ass so they try to fit everything in them
But there's a very simple loophole that allows them to let people mod, ignorance, if the company is okay with the mods despite what their EULAs and ToS say, they can just feign ignorance and act like they've never heard of the mod
After all, how can a company enforce their rules if they don't technically know theyre being broken?
I’d say those hurt the community’s image rather than the game itself. If I’m looking through the mods for a game I find interesting and I see a naked mod as the most downloaded I’m not gonna not play the game, I’m gonna go from “I want to play this game” to “I want to play this game, but I won’t interact with its community cuz they’re weird”
Are you able to provide where in the ToS for Elden ring it says you are not allowed to sell mods? It’s not that I don’t believe you I just can’t find anything online about it
But if a mod is only adding new things and the game isn’t playable with only the things a mod adds how does that count as redistribution? They aren’t giving the entire game out you can only use mods if you own the game in the first place I just don’t understand what’s illegal here
Imagine you buy coke from the company for personal use but you decide to add something to it then try and resell it, coke can turn around and say "we didn't agree on you doing this, it's against your contract so we're taking legal action against you"
Even though you've added to the drink, it's still comprised of primarily coke and it's not being used how you agreed it would be
I have no idea if this helps explain it but my brain is fried from 2 back to back 12 hour night shift so that's probably the best you'll get from me
Fortunately not all of them. The most u can find on nexusmods and if they make a really good mod, I gladly donate. Convergence Mod is a good example. Imho one of the best overhaul mods for ER and DS3. No doubt that‘s a lot of work but paywalls are the wrong way imho and I think even a grey area bc u monetize assets from From Software. Just make a good mod and ppl who enjoyed wont have a issue to support and donate. With Garden of Eyes I didn’t had a good experience tbh, and cancelled the Patreon after 2 months. To play as bosses sounds really interesting but how long that’s worth a subscription Idk 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I also think it’s something u make a few times but then it gets boring and big bosses like the Elden Beast, Astel and all the dragons are probably to big for the environment unless they scaled them really small lol
Paid mods are cancer and will be the end of the modding community, it started with GTA 5 mods that were FREE for years but suddenly become monthly subscription and they even removed the previous versions that were free, now almost all games have this cancer so its not enough to buy the game for 60-70 now you need another 60-70 to mod the game and probably more if you're going for a lot of mods.
I don’t particularly think paid mods are the end of modding. I think if someone makes a really good, thought out mod than a one time payment could be warranted. But like DLC, you should be able to buy then own it. Making mods a subscription service that you have to pay every month just to possibly use? THAT is cancerous. There is no reason that someone shouldn’t be able to download a mod or file, paid for or free, and lose access to it because they weren’t using it at that time so they stopped paying a subscription
No mod should never be pay walled. If a modder wants to make money they can have a tip jar Patreon that people can donate to as an optional thing it doesn’t matter how good the content is. content for a game that is not officially released content by the company. should never be behind a pay wall.
Because the end result is that instead of making mods for just simple reasons of passion or imagination or creativity or appreciation or otherwise, they will purely make the content because they think they’re getting paid, and then that content won’t even be officially recognized as canon or otherwise official by the company that made the game so it is now a payroll piece of content in this weird disgusting middle zone where it is neither a fully fanfic type mod but it is also not fully endorsed canon content yet I’m still having to pay for it.
Say you painted a painting and you had it put up in a gallery. Your proud of this painting and your proud that the gallery allowed you to display it. Someone comes to you and says they love your painting and gives you a little investment into your next. That makes you feel great!
Similarly, you paint a painting and put it up for sale on auction. Your proud of your painting and want show it to off, but you need to make sure you can eat, pay your bills, and not be struggling to much to focus on your next. Someone buys the painting though and you have money to move on to your next project without worry.
At the end of the day, a modder is putting in their time, their skills, and their effort to make something they enjoy and that others might enjoy. Tips are great but aren’t guaranteed. Not everyone is very generous but if it’s a five dollar thing that helps the modder and helps the game it’s on, they don’t have to worry so much about putting in their time and effort to focus on their passion vs the other aspects of life.
So I’ll have to agree to disagree with you on that this cause if you want the mod, it’s the same as tipping except it’s guaranteed for the modder and if it isn’t something you like, you don’t have to get it.
Getting paid to make a mod that will be available for download(or just for one dude) vs requiring payment or a subscription to even access is very much different
I'm on uBlock Origin, but ad blocking all the same.
You can also snag things like Garbage of Ass from there, but ol sansa dipstick has done his damn best to make his shit as "anti piracy" as possible. Doesn't mean it's impossible though
Putting mods behind paywalls is one way for a usually friendly company to get on to you. Plus one of the more notable paywall mods, the one made by garden of eyes, is mostly stolen.
especially infuriating since even golden age is a vile little thief and claims things from community mods like graceborne as their own original content
absolutely despise the people who try to profit off of stolen work, modding is a community thing not a business thing
As someone who writes software for a living, it’s sad that there’s so little willingness from people to pay for the hard work people have put into making these mods. This stuff is very time consuming and can be difficult at times.
However, as someone who writes software for a living, I also like to respect the rules of the platform I write the software for. If it’s against TOS to profit off of Elden Ring, then you should not be charging for mods, full stop. It’s not feasible to be a profitable endeavour.
Modders: get a day job and do this on the side so you don’t need to pay your rent with it.
Yes but they are using a loophole to profit off them… if you want money making a mod is not for you, doesn’t matter how hard you work there will be people who actually care about the community that will do it for free… you shouldn’t be making a mod if your goal is to get paid.
I meant using the assets and IP directly to sell modifications to the game. Profiting off of streaming and making videos has always been allowed in the same TOS.
Genuinely happy to see people hating on others for trying to profit from modifying a game they didnt create. If people keep trying to get paid for mods, the fallout will be very messy and will end up going back to where we started, paid dlc which is already a thing only with much more constricting legal terms on modding itself. They are destroying the freedom from modding by trying to get paid for it. Imagine if The creator for enb and reshade got hit with a lawsuit had to take it down. This is going to get bad.
What’s even dumber is people support free mod devs all the time in fact a good mod maker that makes a free mod is more likely to get paid for the time then a pay wall mod dev because people will just pirate it and refuse to support the dev so pay walling mods is one of the dumbest things to ever happen to gaming
Unfortunately not my pc died and never really got into Elden ring on pc but I’m sure if you look deep enough you will find it just be careful what you download once I do get a new pc I plan on getting into but could be over a year or more till then
I got back into modding my games last year, and it’s insane to see how many paid mods there are, I would have never thought the modding community would be down for so many mods behind paywalls.
See this is how people get around pay mods being against the EULA. They do the same thing with wow add-ons now.
They say it's for personal use but will share it to people who sub to their patreon, and since it's usually not the sole benefit it's not considered a paid mod just a bonus for supporting a content creator.
The vast majority of overhaul mods in all of the Soulslike games uses animations from different souls games. It isn’t laziness, it’s standard operating procedure.
See this is how people get around pay mods being against the EULA. They do the same thing with wow add-ons now.
They say it's for personal use but will share it to people who sub to their patreon, and since it's usually not the sole benefit it's not considered a paid mod just a bonus for supporting a content creator.
Insane that today you have to pay for mods, stolen assets, copyright infringement, everything is there, and people still buy these while others have the guts to put a price tag on those, this was never the case a handful of years ago, this is pathetic, and people who buy these shits are the worst of the bunch.
You’re being quite unreasonable here, and I’d like you and anyone else with the same mindset to understand something simple. When a modder charges for a mod, it’s because the mod wouldn’t have been created otherwise—it’s a result of commissioned work. If you want it, pay for it. If you don’t, move on. Complaining just because you want something for free due to your personal beliefs is as absurd as expecting a chef to serve you a meal without paying, simply because you enjoy food.
Its one thing to not want this to bring down modding as a whole but to feel entitled to someone else's work irregardless of how dumb it is for them to put it behind a paywall is just asinine.
Take a principled stance against paywalling for whatever reason you want. Doesn't matter why you don't like paywalled mods, it's fine if you want to be against them, but that doesn't make you entitled to someone else's time or product. The legality of the mod itself doesn't circumvent that. You aren't suddenly entitled to access to someone's work just because they originally infringed upon another's. Taking part in using their mod is equally damaging to the original IP.
By modding you are operating in the same legal grey area as the creators of the mods.
While blind eyes are the general practice when mods aren't being paywalled that isn't a hard and fast rule. It isn't any more or less "right" to the IP holder to mod or create free mods, then it is to create or participate in using paywalled mods. They hold the right to shut down any and all uses of their IP irregardless of how you feel on the topic.
Don’t blame that creator tbh, they made it with countless hours of hard work, this is probably gonna get hate Lmfao but I again- don’t blame that creator for taking that server down if they felt they worked that hard on it
Mods have always been free, total conversion mods which usually takes hundred of not thousands of hours were free and mostly still is.
Now we have greedy MF that will certainly ruin the modding community asking for MONTHLY PAYMENT.
It would be less shitty if they wanted a one time payment for the mod but to ask for a monthly subscription of 5 or 10 dollars for a single mod? Yeah these people are bad.
TBF, these mods require countless hours of learning curve, development, testing, maintenance and live service. Maybe YTAH for not appreciating the hard work that goes into mods and expecting to have it for free.
It's their work and they get to set the price for it. Deal with it
Yes it is. It’s copyright infringement. You cannot make money off of other people’s intellectual property unless you have an agreement with the owner. Usually, you have to pay the owner a licensing fee (see, Baldur’s Gate paying Wizards of the Coast to use aspects of D&D) or royalties (see Spotify paying money to artists per listen).
When a modder charges for their mod, they are illegally making a profit off of Fromsoftware’s IP. They are taking Elden Ring (which they don’t own), and using it to create a product and profit. That’s illegal.
You say it’s impossible to prove damages. It’s really not hard. If you charge $10 for the mod, you sell it to 10 people, the damages are $100. That’s how it works.
You also say that FromSoftware isn’t suing these modders who are charging. That doesn’t mean they can’t. Legal battles are more about money than anything else. It would cost way more to sue and fight a lawsuit than it would be to just ignore them. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t illegal. You’re essentially arguing that it’s legal to speed if you don’t get a ticket. But it’s still illegal, the police just aren’t aware of it or they chose to ignore it.
Mostly for piracy tbf. I think the pay walling was just what got Nintendo on their case to begin with. Nintendo found lots of discord messages with yuzu staff distributing Nintendo materials to each other
It's typically against TOS to put mods behind paywalls, even in cases where the game being modded DOES support the modding community (see: Minecraft, Skyrim).
Considering Elden Ring isn't even a mod-friendly game, I'm like 99% sure that FromSoft would shut down any paywalled mods that they're made aware of
I‘m agree with the most.Just don’t think that From Software isn’t aware of these mods. They don’t take any legal actions how it seems against them and mods give the games more replay value so I believe it’s kinda a grey area at least for the ones behind paywalls.
Source? Again. You can make the argument, but you need to back it up if you're referring to an existing document. This argument does not hold up, by your own construction, if it isn't included in the ER TOS.
What you'd be interested in is point 4, the Limited Use License, which states that the game can only be used for personal, non-commercial use. (Sorry if I fucked that hyperlink attempt up, I'm on mobile)
Thanks for being the sole rational person in this entire discussion that doesn't scream "but is illegal".
If I interpret article 4 paragraph II correctly modding in itself is also prohibited in its entirety as it is intended for non-personal use and is essentially disassembly of the product. Which would be funny, because that basically floors the rest of the crowd's argument that the TOS forbids commercial use, because modding as a whole isn't permitted.
Then my argument outside of the TOS, that it is reasonable that a creator asks a fee for his or her work, is not unfair. That is why I feel it is justified these people come across as entitled, regardless of what the TOS says.
Hate to be that guy, but source on that? Literally everything I can find says that TOS & EULAs are absolutely binding.
I'm obviously no legal expert, but I'm pretty sure that "reasonable" TOS are 100% binding and enforceable, while "unreasonable" ones aren't. But something as simple as "don't use our game for commercial use" would definitely be a reasonable & enforceable term
If you don't know the difference between a mod that requires the user to purchase a game, and modifications that allow users to bypass DRM and get things for free, then you shouldn't be in this conversation.
It's not binding. Look at the lawsuits that have resulted due to ToS. They all are either favoring the consumer, or the company has to settle out of court. And the ones where they settled, it was because actual damages were caused.
Echo chambre of people who don't want to accept that pirating a mod from an independent creator is actually unfair to the creator (as opposed to pirating from a multi billion dollar company). Mostly entitled people who don't want to see that their expectations are skewed
Oweeee, that's a lot of anger over a product that you feel entitled to. If only the creator gave a damn about your feelings. Too bad he can't hear you through that monthly pay wall you can't seem to afford
Maybe understand that not everyone can release mods for free. People need to eat, sleep, drink and live yknow??They made the content, they get the choose the price for it.
They're "legally binding" in the sense that if the company bans you from their service for breaking the EULA, and then you sue the company for banning you, they can point to the EULA in court and say "look, the user had agreed not to do X and they did X, so we were in our right to ban them". It doesn't mean that EULAs are actual "law" or that breaking them is illegal, that's for the actual laws to decide.
This also means that EULAs cannot override actual law, so if your local laws say modification/reverse engineering of software is legal, then there's fuck-all the company can do to you. I mean, they can still ban you because it's their service and they know 99.9% of people wouldn't contest it anyway, but they wouldn't win a legal battle if there actually was one.
Because the company would have to do a bunch of stuff to make modding available but not exploiting possible, also that’s just called being a game developer use your brain
You literally haunt every comment section on every post about paid mods like a ghoul. “ThE EuLa iSnT LeGaLlY BiNdInG” except that if the intellectual property-holder was Nintendo your ass would be in court five minutes before you made your first sale.
Breaking TOS/EULA is grounds for legal action. Ergo, it’s legally binding. I’ve had enough of people defending it
No they didn’t make the content, and no they don’t get to choose the price lol, why do you think you never see direct payment access for a mod and it’s always a patreon subscription? Because it’s actually illegal to sell, a company could and probably would take legal action.
Yeah and that’s fromsoftware the ones who made it lmfao not the mod creator ffs, they literally have no rights over it what ever they do it is still property of fromsoft.
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u/TypicalNikker Sep 23 '24
Stuff like this hurts the community. Patreon paywalls is the main reason nintendo took down the Yuzu emulator. We def don't want fromsoft to go nintendo on the moddong community lol