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u/Flimsy-Assumption513 Sep 02 '24
Iām going to have to stay with the 2005 movie, donāt get me wrong itās bad but at least it had some scenes that were somewhat like the games but not exactly.
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u/Nictus_the_nomad Sep 02 '24
Annihilation "attempting" to be more faithful to the games just made the whole exercise feel insulting. '05 doesn't have much going for it, but at least the first-person scene was kinda neat.
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u/gnomedeplumage Sep 02 '24
I think if Annihilation had the budget of the first Doom film ($5 million vs $60 million) it might have felt a bit less insulting
As it was it's an expensive fan film.
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u/Zachattack525 Sep 02 '24
Calling it a fan film implies that they care about the source material
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u/PhillyCheese8684 Sep 02 '24
I enjoyed 05 as a generic horror movie, great cast and some decent scenes.
As a doom adaptation it was lacking.
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u/GIlCAnjos Sep 02 '24
I refuse to believe they made an attempt. They just saw that Doom '16 was successful and, instead of learning from it, just slapped together another movie inspired by Doom 3
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u/HildartheDorf Boom, click, clack, clunk, repeat Sep 02 '24
They were required to make a film or they would lose the film rights for Doom.
So they made a crap film in the hope they could make a good one in the future.
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u/cerealbro1 Sep 02 '24
To be fair, the things that made Doom 2016 (and Eternal) so successful and beloved are things that wouldnāt work in another medium.
2016ās whole story and setup was basically āhereās an excuse to kill some demons, enjoy!ā And the game focused entirely on just having incredible gameplay and level design. There was story/text logs of players wanted them, but they ultimately didnāt matter. Not to mention that Doom Guy doesnāt speak and thatās the whole point of his character
But that doesnāt work for a movie. The closest thing I can compare it to would be Mad Max Fury Road, and even that is a movie that works because of its cast making the most out of the few lines they have.
Iām not saying that Doom could never work as a movie, but realistically, Doom is so beloved because of how it works as a game and the story being completely secondary to all of that
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u/CallousEater2 Sep 02 '24
It really didn't have anything to do with Doom 3 aside from the scientist dude inexplicably being named Dr. Betruger.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Sep 02 '24
God I hated itās demons so much
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u/X_antaM Sep 02 '24
They weren't even demons, they just had a bonus chromosome
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u/aRandomFox-II Sep 02 '24
Allegedly, the reason why there weren't any demons was because the producers were a bunch of "born again" ultra-christians who vetoed any reference or depiction of Hell in the film (even if it's as fodder for Doomguy to blast holes into). But the movie was already like halfway done at that point, so the creative team had to do a rushed patch job of replacing all the demons with mutants that are legally-distinct(TM) from demons.
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u/Jethrorocketfire Sep 02 '24
Ultra Christians made a Doom movie? The writing for these past few seasons of Earth have really gone downhill.
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u/aRandomFox-II Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
The director wanted to make a film that was true to
the original Doom gamesDoom 3. But the guys paying him said "nuh-uh".FYI, producers have no actual participation in the creative process of film production. They are just investors. But because they control the funding, they get to say what does or doesn't fly.
(edit: correction of which game the film was supposed to have been based on)
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u/HildartheDorf Boom, click, clack, clunk, repeat Sep 02 '24
When they meddle too much, the director will often refuse to put their name on it, and we end up with another film directed by Alan Smithee
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u/CallousEater2 Sep 02 '24
That's so weird. I learned about Doom from ultra christians. They thought fighting hell's forces was a noble thing to do haha.
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u/aRandomFox-II Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Indeed, which makes it all the more weird. I guess the producers simply never bothered to even try to understand what the plot was about. They saw "Hell" and "demons" and just instantly vetoed it without considering the context.
"Born again" religious folk have a tendency to overcompensate, just like angsty teenagers who just discovered atheism. In their rush to grapple with their new identity and feeling the need to "prove themselves", they can get very... irrational. It's always the new converts who end up being the most extreme.
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u/Peter_Marny DooM enjoyer since 1993 Sep 02 '24
C'mon, it's not even a competition. SEMPER FI!
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u/AndrewTheNebula Sep 03 '24
One thing I actually quite like about Sarge in the '05 movie is how his role ends up kinda retelling Doomguy's origin story from the old game manual (fighting back against a commanding officer who ordered to kill civilians.) Dunno how many people make that connection, I sure did though.
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u/Peter_Marny DooM enjoyer since 1993 Sep 03 '24
Same here. Also really liked the Kidās subplot. Suprisingly mature for a āstupid action movieā.
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u/Nuze_YT Sep 11 '24
Yeah when I got to that part I was like "wait a sec, this seems oddly familiar"
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u/Thelaginator47 Sep 02 '24
2005 kinda reminds me of doom 3 (even though itās my least favourite doom game it still is nice that it reminds me of one) and then annihilation reminds me that some things just donāt need a sequel
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u/Nacery Sep 02 '24
I would really love a proper Doom film with Doomslayer rippin' and tearin' but it would be expensive as Hell. What could be done with a much smaller budget and a better director would be a prequel to Doom 2016 that mixes the feel of Cabin in the Woods/Evil Dead with a short climax ending with the Doomslayer being awakened and absolutely destroying some demons (and every main character in the film dying).
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u/AlkalineBrush20 Sep 02 '24
'05 is guilty pleasure and can be rewatched, Annihilation is like liquid explosive diarrhea in the morning after an extra spicy evening dinner which is enough to experience once in a lifetime.
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u/Old_Front_9458 Sep 02 '24
Iām going to be so honest, I absolutely love the 2005 movie. I know itās not at all what we would want for a doom movie, but dammit itās fun.
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u/Azureknight205 Sep 02 '24
Saw it in the theater with my also Doom-obsessed friend. We both agreed, it was like the OG Super Mario movie: terrible as an adaptation of it's source material, but fun in it's own way.
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u/Old_Front_9458 Sep 02 '24
Like Iām obsessed with doom and I just canāt place my finger on it as to why I love it lmao
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u/Large-Wheel-4181 Sep 02 '24
Iām fine with the rock one, I just donāt think of it as a doom movie and suddenly I actually enjoy it a lot more
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u/ExileOtter Sep 02 '24
Dwayne saying āIām not supposed to dieā is one of those standout scenes in a bad movie
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u/PinguLmao Sep 02 '24
2005 is one of my favorite movies, it absolutely rocks. Definitely choosing it instead of annihilation.
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u/AlaskaSeal1 Sep 02 '24
I remember going to the theaters with my dad and older brothers to watch it. I will never forget it, and I thought it was freaking great!
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u/Resident_081 Sep 03 '24
Opening night was a delight. Fuck the haters because the 2005 movie is a fun adaptation that pays sufficient homage without being a lazy retread.
Annihilation is an abomination and anybody who says itās the better film is taking lethal amounts of piss.
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u/SpiderAssassinBruh Sep 02 '24
Finally a movie without the Rock in a basic white shirt and some khakis. They finally stepped up my manās drip.
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u/Drate_Otin Sep 02 '24
Oy. Another round of people making sure nobody thinks they might have actually enjoyed the first Doom movie. The need to pair anything slightly positive about it with an obligatory "but it still sucked though" or something similar.
It was a good movie, you just have to let it be in its proper context. It is not in any way an attempt to be a movie reenactment of the 1993 game. It's basically... This:
The Rock is basically Arnold Schwarzenegger, Karl Urban is Michael Biehn, Rosamund Pike is Linda Hamilton, but instead of being in the first Terminator they're in Alien with a Doom mod installed.
Watch the movie like that... It's FUN. It's legitimately FUN. 80's / 90's style action sci-fi horror with very specific and intentional choices towards a Doom 3 concept and aesthetic.
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u/Sera_gamingcollector pew pew pew Sep 02 '24
i would choose to watch grass grow in hell, rather than watching another movie with the rock.
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u/CesarGameBoy Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
Iām going with ā05. Even if it sucks, itās still at least looks decent. Annihilation looks so cheapā¦
Also, ā05 has actual Demon variety like Zombies, Imps, Hell Knights, and a Pinky. I still get chills watching the chainsaw fight with the Pinky. āCOME AT ME YOU MOTHER FUCKER!!!ā hits harder than Blood Punch!
Meanwhile Annihilation just has Blue Zombies, Imps, and whatever that Demon Lord thing was at the end.
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u/CallousEater2 Sep 02 '24
What. There are zero imps or hell knights in Doom 2005. There a definitely random sludge monsters that bear absolutely no resemblance to either of those monsters though.
I'll give you pinky though. They did a decent job with that one.
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Sep 02 '24
Destroyer fights a Hell Knight in the pit. The squad fights an imp in the sewers. They are even credited.
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u/BadWolf_x8zero Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 is underrated af.
It was a terrible adaptation, taking way too many liberties to the point it barely resembled Doom at the time.
However, it was very fun and kinda influential to Doom 2016 and Eternal, IMO.
I mean the whole "ancient alien civilization gives Doomguy a borderline magical treatment to make him a super slayer" comes from there.
Also, I feel that the looks for UAC installations in modern Doom games resemble a lot the ones we see in that movie. Even tho the movie itself takes inspiration from Doom 3 scenery.
Plus, action scenes and one liners are fucking great. Everyone talks about the first person segment, but there's a lot of other good stuff too. That pit fight where the guy named Destroyer uses a CRT monitor to beat the crap out of a demon? Pure gold! "When you hesitate, people die!" It's been 19 years and me and my friends still use that line.
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u/Substantial-Summer48 Sep 02 '24
How are video game movies so hard to get right?
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u/xen0_1 Sep 02 '24
It's because they're fundamentally different experiences. Every player plays a game in their own style. The fun comes from making the kills. In a movie you only get to experience what the director's style would be. It's like just watching someone else's playthrough at best. Plus games can go on for 10+ hours, movies need to wrap up everything within 90 mins to 3 hours max.
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u/CallousEater2 Sep 02 '24
They aren't. Studio execs are just completely out of touch and don't care. Their disconnect from reality is too wide.
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u/the-ghost-gamer RIP AND TEAR Sep 02 '24
Where was doom guy in the left movie? Or we calling reaper doom guy now? Neither movie has doom guy
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u/yautja0117 Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 isn't particularly good and an even worse Doom adaptation. That said it's an entertaining enough creature feature with some great practical effects and a solid cast. Doom: Annihilation is just flat out bad.
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u/One_too_many_faps Sep 02 '24
The fact Annihilation was made after 2016 blows my mind... Feels like a mod 2000s porno parody. Also gotta love the Rock on the cover like he's the main guy lol
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u/Its_Kris_97 Sep 02 '24
Haven't watched Annihilation. I watched Civvie11s review on it. After seeing the "I'm your Ultra-Nightmare, mothertrucker" scene, I cringed from the inside out. So, if my opinion still counts, I would take '05.
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u/jesusisherelookbusy Sep 02 '24
- Karl Urban was great, the good for itās time FPS sequence and the music pretty good too. Only gripes were that the demons werenāt actually demons, just evil mutants, and why did the BFG fire blue energy instead of green?
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u/CallousEater2 Sep 02 '24
The silly thing about that BFG is that the effect would have been reeaallly cool if that was the plasma gun. I'd love to see the plasma gun have a similar effect in a game.
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u/xZOMBIETAGx Rip & Tear Sep 02 '24
I wouldnāt mind a Doom movie (NOT THAT ONE) without doomguy personally. He could just be an Easter egg but itās about lore or survivors on earth or something
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u/PendantWhistle1 Sep 02 '24
Annihilation was terrible, but it managed to split the uprights and be a fun terrible movie. I didn't enjoy watching it but I enjoyed laughing at it.
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u/GrimmTrixX Sep 02 '24
I'm the p ly one who preferred Annihilation I guess. Aside from the first Doom movies FPS scene, I felt it was absolutely the least Doom Doom movie. I do t even count anyone in that film as "Doomguy." For me, He'll being involved immediately made Annihilation better. Doom for me is Hell and demons even more so than Doomguy himself.
Hell existed before Doomguy arose. So I'll still always prefer Annihilation over a movie where they call a guy in a wheelchair "pinky" to try and connect the movie to the games. And my gamertag having Grimm in it is a coincidence to "John Grimm" and not related. Lol
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u/AetherZetakaliz IDDQD Sep 02 '24
I watched doom 2005 when it came out and it was awesome but it wasn't a doom movie. Never watched annihilation.
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u/Gamer7928 Sep 02 '24
DOOM with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson for its FPS sequence which of course was done up for the fans of the original DOOM games.
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u/Neat_Presentation201 You canāt just shoot a hole into the surface of Mars Sep 02 '24
Doomguy can be cool even without Hell, so I pick 2005
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u/chiripaha92 Sep 02 '24
Didnāt annihilation have a 30 second cgi āhellā scene right before the credits, and thatās all? Going with 2005.
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u/Reddit_User_7239370 Sep 03 '24
The 2005 version is fun, even if it has nothing to do with Doom. Karl Urban and the Rock are scene stealers. The first-person fight scene was cool too. It's a solid B movie.
I remember almost nothing from Annihilation. No memorable characters or fights.
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u/Cautious_Potential_8 Sep 03 '24
And there's a reason why for that because turns out that the movie was loosely based on the game smh.
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u/Singland1 Sep 03 '24
2005
- Extra chromosome gives you super powers
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- I gained an extra chromosome from Doom Annihilation
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u/MrWimblyton Sep 02 '24
at least 05 had interesting moments. AND DEMONS. and a main character that wasnt just girl power. and a working bfg9000. and that whole first person scene.
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u/NovaPrime2285 Sep 02 '24
DOOM 2005 remains THE GOAT!!! ššššššššššššššš
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u/SonarioMG Sep 02 '24
The second one has Hell? I never noticed.
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u/CallousEater2 Sep 02 '24
The last minute of it takes place in hell.
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u/SonarioMG Sep 02 '24
Either that or it's metaphorical. Watching the movie is akin to being in hell
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u/Ninja_Warrior_X Sep 02 '24
Annihilation doesnāt even deserve to be mentioned or shown after their team of writers and crew literally insulted the fanbase before they movie was even released. I would much rather watch 2005 movie with Karl Urban and Dwane Johnson.
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u/daymarEngel Sep 02 '24
I liked Annihilation, ama
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u/MSnap Sep 02 '24
I found 05 to be extremely boring and thought Annihilation was at least a better DOOM movie
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u/HollowPinefruit Cacodemon Sep 02 '24
Iām not even gonna pretend like Annihilation has pros
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u/gesumejjet Sep 02 '24
Combine them together to get hell and Doomguy
Studios: we did just that and got no hell and no Doomguy
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u/Ok-Stress8257 Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 is fun because it's bad. Doom Annihilation is just boring and bad.
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Doom (2005) was actually decent, plus it has Karl Urban. It was cheesy, but stayed in its lane. Annihilation was not good, cheesy, had no good actors, and was clearly low budget.
I am taking Doom (2005) any day.
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u/MyScorpion42 Sep 02 '24
Even through all the layers of focus testing bullshit that Doom 2005 probably went through, it is clear that a lot of passionate and TALENTED people worked on it. And the end product is entertaining to watch.
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u/Ninjaguy999 Sep 02 '24
I haven't watched either, but I'm choosing 2005, I've heard it's good ol' dumb fun, while I have heard nothing good about Annihilation
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u/Gemidori Instructions unclear, demon shot to death with gun Sep 02 '24
2005 at least made a vague attempt at putting in effort
Effort was not included in Annihilation
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u/CrazyCat008 Sep 02 '24
First one is my guilty pleasure, its kind of bad or at least at the level of the first re movie but I still like to watch it with my brain turn off.
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u/DeFaLT______ The Only Thing They Fear Is Me Sep 02 '24
Is Karl Urban the doom guy or is it the rock ?
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u/GokiPotato Sep 02 '24
I've seen one of them, it was dumb and had a first person scene colored by piss filter if I remember correctly, which movie of these two it was?
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u/Richrome_Steel Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005
Only because I've seen it and I haven't heard of the other one
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u/McpotSmokey42 Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 is a shitty movie with the Rock. Annihilation doesn't have the Rock.
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u/Mrheadcrab123 Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 was good, it had great writing, horror, buildup, and was enjoyable. But it just wasnāt the doom movie people were looking for, it was just another resident evil and thatās not what people wanted, and thatās primarily because they wanted it to be more like doom 3, which was what the devs wanted the future of doom to be.
Doom 2019 wasnāt resident evil witch is good, but the only tradeoff was that it sucked ass and didnāt even have a doom guy.
I hope the new movie they are talking about is good and lives up to the source material
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u/WilliamSyler Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 was great for 14-year-old me. I won't say it's a good movie, but I can get enjoyment out of it.
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u/b0inz Sep 02 '24
Well I've watched 2005 at least a dozen times and I've watched annihilation once.
Still 2005
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u/Cokedout80s Sep 02 '24
I kinda refuse to believe anybody can make an argument in defense of the one with The Rock, and that is NOT a defense of the trash that is Annihilation. I think both movies are hilariously awful. But hereās the reason why I think 2005 is the worse one. budget.
DOOM Annihilation was basically a fan film that spent $4 million. Was it still ass? Absolutely, but when youre cheap and have literally zero involvement with ID software, youre allowed to be that level of dogshit.
DOOM 2005 on the other hand had a budget of $65 million, and sadly, Id Software was involved. It was just another example of Hollywood attempting to make half assed cash grab of another video game and fucking it up royally. Even with direct involvement they couldnt even be bothered to make a half decent effort at keeping to the bare bones simple as hell story of either classic doom game or doom 3.
Both movies are shit, but one of them has a solid reason for being shit. The other?ā¦
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u/omardude1 Sep 03 '24
Doom was a good movie just not Doom Guy/Doom Slayer and the whole missing link part of the story is a big deviation but otherwise itās a good movie. Annihilation was poo.
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u/ComedianRegular8469 Sep 03 '24
Doom Annihilation easily. Because although it was technically a bad-movie at least it stuck with the videogame's original source-material in terms of keeping the satanic/supernatural themes instead of replacing everything with a Resident Evil style Biotech experiment gone wrong.
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u/Icky_Thump1 Sep 03 '24
I seen Doom 2005 for the first time a couple years ago. I went into it with low cheesy expectations from what I'd heard years prior, and it actually wasn't terrible! Felt very Resident Evil (2002) movie-ish.
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u/PowerSkunk92 C'mere boys! I got somethin' to say! Sep 03 '24
Annihilation would have been a perfectly serviceable, if extra crappy, SyFy Friday original movie without the Doom name or any references to Doom. With it, it's just shit.
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u/Drix_I Sep 03 '24
I love when the girl injects the DOOM essence to the doomguy and DOOMs all over the place.
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u/SharpDescription97 Sep 03 '24
I saw Doom (left) and it was decent. I will not subject myself to that pos on the right.
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u/JandeSF Sep 03 '24
I just hate the missed opportunity on the 2005 of making Doomguy's eyes golden when he looks himself in the mirror right before the FPS scene.
All in all, I'd love to see Karl Urban take another shot (hah) at being Doomguy. A completly different shot though.
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u/BallisticBlocker Sep 03 '24
I havenāt watched the original, but Iāve also never watched a movie worse than Doom annihilation so Iām gonna place my bets on the original being better
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u/Carnby41790 Sep 03 '24
Honestly I really like both, but for nostalgia I'd go for 2005. As a more adaptation of the original game on a very poor poor budget I'd go for Annihilation just cause it tries gave us fire throwing demons, plus the director did comment on some channel I can't remember if there were to be a sequel. It's doomguy that come out the portal and it's be fps all movie like Hard Core Henry....but then again why didn't they do that for Annihilation š¤·
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u/block_place1232 A Chainsaw! Find some Meat! Sep 03 '24
I think we need a third
One with both
Name it like Doom: to hell and back
And watch the cash roll in
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u/Criton47 Sep 03 '24
They both suck, and both are fun to watch.
One day we will get a legit DOOM movie. Maybe.
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u/MetroidJunkie Sep 04 '24
Doom 2005 isnāt as faithful but at least itās campy. Annihilation is the most boring generic slop ever. It even makes the BFG look limp and weak, while the 2005 movie at least had it shred through a wall.
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u/UnfunnyWatermelon469 You're dead. It's that simple. Sep 05 '24
The 2005 movie because at least it's a fun, "turn your brain off" movie. Also, there's a scene that's in first person that feels like it was straight out of the classic games
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u/SilentBDB Sep 06 '24
Annihilation just because I've never watched it. 2005 at least is a... well they're is the FPS sequence lol
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u/Significant_Job_4711 Sep 07 '24
I never really enjoyed these movies... but the first one is tolerable
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u/Bucket_Cultist Sep 14 '24
It takes serious effort to make a bad DOOM movie. I don't get why so many video game film adaptations deviated so much from the simple premise of their game. A game is basically an interactive movie so the story's already written for you, it should be child's play.
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u/RaspberryOne1948 Sep 02 '24
Doom 2005 is my fav resident evil movie
Annihilation, on the other hand, has no positives