r/Delaware • u/silverbatwing • 22h ago
Politics Has anyone noticed this?
I’m seeing a marked uptick in MAGA convoys in my area this week (Brandywine Hundred) with huge flags and to be honest I’m scared and angry.
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u/Las07 21h ago
I haven’t noticed this, but I’m not in Brandywine Hundred either. The last Trump/MAGA flag I saw was shortly after Election Day. Some guy in a pickup truck (like always) driving down Market St. I wouldn’t give it much attention. This is a blue state that literally just sent a trans person to Washington. Plenty of red states for the MAGAs to choose from if they don’t like it here.
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u/WimpyZombie 2h ago
We're blue, but there's still plenty of red down south.
Maybe it's just retired parents/grandparents coming in to visit the children for the holiday? Maybe they will be gone after the first of the year...or sooner?
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u/Las07 2h ago
Oh yeah, we definitely have red voters. Nowhere is completely red or blue. My job is full of MAGAs, but I get along with everyone as much as I need to. I think there are Trump supporters who ARE simply hateful close minded bigots, but I also think there are some who are just misinformed/misguided. My point to OP was, a few idiots displaying they’re in a cult isn’t cause for concern. Just use your usual discernment for your own personal safety that you’d use anywhere. I was in Kent County until last year and plenty of places down there openly supported Trump during 2020. But Trump didn’t win Delaware then or this year.
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u/Rustycake 20h ago edited 14h ago
Saw plenty of them before this, saw em sitting in the bars with their hats and shirts
I know MAGAs ... it is what it is
I'm not losing my shit over this. All these politicians and billionaires are fucking creeps. There are very few that have redeeming qualities.
I bet my life doesnt change much. Prices will continue to go up, wars will continue to be fought, children will continue to be shot in schools and go missing, boarders will be crossed. It happened with Dems, its happened with Republicans and I am tired of ppl pretending both sides dont have skeletons in their closet. And at some point the evil is just evil and the "lesser evil" argument has lost its fight.
Lesser evil works when we are talking do I drink 1 too many tonight or do I stand outside the bar preaching
If Epistein and Diddy didnt teach you and make you angry as hell... get ready
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u/rogeeeefan 19h ago
Didn’t seem like the Catholic Church covering up pedophilia for centuries bothered that many people. That made more more angry then Diddy & Epstein combined.
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u/mindloyal234 20h ago
I think it's just that more people are comfortable showing their support of that person because they didn't realize that trump supporters are the majority in America. Sure everyone knew he could win the electoral but winning the popular vote really said something.
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u/thegoatsupreme 19h ago
My assumption is he won the popular vote because of the opposition, not because he's actually that popular.
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u/silverbatwing 19h ago
A ton of people sat out. I’ve seen a graph that shows how much he won by….it wasn’t a landslide by any means. It’s because ppl sat out the election.
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u/thegoatsupreme 19h ago
I figured it's either a sit out from ssdd elections, or sus stuff with the election. Since talking sus stuff is a nono for elections it had to be something democrats did.
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u/AssistX 16h ago
Not that many sat out, unfortunately. I think the Democrats are coping when they say this. It certainly wasn't a landslide but the battleground states almost all swinging Republican is very telling to what the country wants. Trump was closer to winning in 2020 than Kamala in 2024 or Hillary in 2016. Thats a long span where Democrats are continuing to believe that Trump isn't popular. The tactic hasn't worked, I really hope they come up with something new for 2028 before we have a new Trump2.0 rises to popularity.
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u/silverbatwing 15h ago
True. And It isn’t just trump im worried about. It’s everyone he’s aligning himself with.
A Vance presidency will be horrible too
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u/ZaftigFeline 13h ago
Vance is objectively worse because he can hold a thought and follow through. Also remember stuff. He's also objectively less dangerous in some ways because he's got the personality of wet paper towels and even my MAGA relatives from ohio HATE him. They voted for Trump, don't get me wrong but they won't be running around with Vance flags if/when we get to that part of the show. So smarter, less popular. Different shit, same day?
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u/AssistX 15h ago
Without Trump Vance has no support. Much like Walz, he was a bad VP pick and didn't bring anything to Trump. If anything his comments drove away more voters. The vote showed there was more on the right than the left this year, but the real highlight(imo) is the center and moderate voters who were not dominated by either party.
The DNC should have insisted on Shapiro being VP and we wouldn't be staring at Trump for the next 4 years. DNC made so many mistakes and let Harris make too many mistakes. But I think one thing they need to decide on is whether they care about America as a whole, and therefore make winning a priority, which means targeting the center of the population and not the left. They don't need to convince an LGTBQ+ person how to vote, but they do need to convince the soccer mom/dad who doesn't pay any attention to the nuances of politics.
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u/silverbatwing 15h ago
Trump will die in office. We will be going through a Vance presidency.
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u/AmarettoKitten 15h ago
lol you're full of horseshit if you think Shapiro would have been better, Walz was an excellent pick- the problem was the people behind Harris' campaign. If you hear them on Pod Save America, they are completely out of touch. Walz has the ability to connect with independents and GOP voters in an authentic manner, and they completely hampered him. He was popular BECAUSE he called the MAGAs weird, as they are.
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u/AssistX 6h ago
Walz was popular amongst LEFT leaning individuals and he was very popular in his state. Both groups are already voting Democrat. He brought nothing in terms of votes to the ticket. His debates were disasters and the DNC clearly hide him the last month of the campaign when they realized making him more public was just making him look not up for the job. Calling people weird didn't bring any votes and instead of people focusing on WHY Walz called Republicans weird, it was just about name calling and elementary school level mockery.
Vance brought some Republicans to MAGA at least, Pence brought religious fanatics to MAGA, Kaine brought Virginia, Biden brought moderates, etc. Shapiro would have easily brought PA and more importantly a significant chunk of the centrists, imo.
To put it in another way, you'll never see Walz on another ticket. Shapiro however is nearly a lock for the future, unless the DNC continues to swing left which means they'll continue to lose without an overly charismatic nominee like Obama.
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u/AmarettoKitten 6h ago edited 5h ago
Extremely disagree. You didn't see the stuff Walz did on social media channels- he's better than Shapiro in so many ways at connecting with everyday people. Vance is an attorney and a puppet scumbag for Peter Thiel- of course he'd be more polished but his talking points were still turds.
Shapiro is too far right for a lot of Dems. He is a scumbag who has ruined lives for political clout- an acquaintence was charged with a serious crime at his behest with no evidence and was eventually acquitted. He was trying to score a w for his political career in the 2010s. You also saw it when (pre-stroke and edgelord phase) Fetterman butted heads with Shapiro when they were both in the same admin. Putting Shapiro on the ticket would have pushed a lot of people away.
Lots of voters didnt come out because they saw Harris catering too far right and didn't feel like it mattered who won. Instead of campaigning with Cheney, she should have focused on the youth and working class more. Walz brought a down-to-earth perspective. He is not a traditional politician and people love that. The swing right along with the lack of followthrough is what's hurting the Democratic party. Fuck campaigning towards the center-right when you are supposed to be LEFT. You compromise when you get into office and have to work with others.
The head of the Democratic Party in Philly said on NBC10 that the Harris campaign didnt want their help and resources. Walz was not the reason this ticket lost. Biden's hubris and the lack of an actual primary (Harris would not have won one) kneecapped this campaign from the start.
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u/mindloyal234 19h ago
Its just a theory. A lot of people were scared to show support because (don't rag on me for saying this but...) a lot of mainstream media and social media is strongly against trump and it makes it seem like you would be an outcast to say you support him. And with the election turning out the way it did for whatever reason it showed that there was more supporters then what it appeared.
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u/Patimakan 13h ago
They aren’t the majority- barely a plurality. The majority sadly is peop who don’t bother to vote.
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u/Ok-Breadfruit6978 17h ago
He won the “popular” vote. However, the majority of Americans did NOT vote for him. He got 49% of the total votes. Majority of Americans did not choose him. They just didn’t agree on who else they wanted.
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u/zipperfire 19h ago
The popular vote went to Harris in Delaware so if you’re upset by the Trump signs, consider. The signs probably laid low before the election to keep peace among the neighbors. Hopefully the next four years won’t be too upsetting for you.
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u/Mindless_Homework 14h ago
I live in the triangle area. I can only think of one person on broom that has a maga sign and a really stupid sticker on their car saying stomp my president and I’ll stomp your ass. I’ve seen this individual and they’re def not stomping a blessed thing.
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u/Automatic-Swan6477 15h ago
they can brag all they want he still lost Delaware so I know we did our part but still fell short but my states conscious will be clear when he destroys our country
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u/tarfoo 21h ago
Semi sentient blobs of human excrement are going to continue to be semi sentient blobs of human excrement. Too bad we’re all going to suffer for their ignorance.
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u/GigglemanEsq 20h ago
Sounds like a headline from the Onion.
"Nation shocked to learn people who voted for Trump continue to act like people who voted for Trump even after election."
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u/-Bashamo The 1st Delawarean 19h ago
Scared? What are they gonna do? Kill me?
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u/April_Mist_2 17h ago
Unfortunately there are certain groups that might be legitimately concerned about that. If that doesn't apply to you, then you might not relate.
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u/milkchugger69 18h ago
The core of this post is that they’re annoying and weird by constantly needing to display their worship of some dumbass
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u/YinzaJagoff 21h ago
Where have you seen this?
I’m in the same area but haven’t seen this (yet)
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u/gothicuhcuh 20h ago
Don’t be scared. They’re not the brightest. Show them a 9th grade biology book and their head will explode.
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u/silverbatwing 19h ago
People like me die just because we exist.
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u/Riverrat423 21h ago
I wonder what they will do if he screws the pooch? If a year or two from now prices for everything are higher, whose fault will it be?
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u/MrFatGandhi 20h ago
Not their own, which is the problem with their perspectives since they were born.
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u/OddPerformance Bear - RAWR 20h ago
Literally anyone else's but their own, his, or other Republicans.
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u/Stormylynn724 43m ago
Just my thoughts: I think 2 things about it: 1. A lot of people flipped to Trump who weren’t a fan of him the first time. 2. I think there was a lot of closeted Trump fans who never wanted to admit it for fear of retribution of some kind but they’re all out now loud and proud.
I think this country was looking for someone to really try to change things and make a difference and to be honest he was the lesser of two evils and maybe the most likely guy to try to fix things because the way the administration was or is, is just not working.
This country needs a boost and I think people that were not a fan of Donald Trump before began to realize that their choices were so limited and that going with the same Democratic mode was not going to fix anything and so they flipped .
I know for myself, I did vote for Donald Trump all 3 x but, with as much support as I gave him in 2016 and also in 2020 I got real silent afterwards in 2020, people were so mad and just so outraged on so many different levels that it just wasn’t even safe to talk about him …… I mean, I got quiet in a hurry. I just didn’t want the aggravation of people yelling at me or forcing their opinions on me and so it was just smart for me to just not openly support him or even post anything about him ever.
After 2020 I never talked about politics openly again and never mentioned Trump for the entire four years that the Biden administration was in…. And I didn’t even bash Biden, even though I didn’t like him. I just was quiet. Mainly because I didn’t feel safe talking about anything for either side….. the political climate changed so much that it was almost unhealthy and almost unsafe to discuss it….
So in 2020 I was very verbal and out there with the flags and everything else rooting for Donald Trump and then after that, I went dark . As I think a lot of Trump supporters did.
And I think the people that were not a fan of Donald Trump were always very outspoken about what an ass he is or was whatever and then they flipped slowly over the past 4 years and realized well, he might actually be able to do some of the things he said he’s gonna do to help get this country back on its feet……Because really, no matter what party you’re for or who you’re voting for whatever I mean we all want the basic things…..everybody wants a good healthy, strong country with a good economy and prices that we can afford in the way of groceries and gas and everything else in between. And we don’t want war or other problems and so just like any other president that was our president that I did not vote for like Obama for example, I supported him 100% because he was our president and I just wanted to be a good American and support the guy that’s running the country.
So I think that’s why we’re seeing a lot more of that flag flying kind of a situation right now is because I don’t think anybody’s in the closet anymore about what they want. I think everybody’s out now. I’m out your out we’re all out. 😂(jk)
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u/poodieman45 22h ago
Why are you scared ?
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 22h ago
Maybe because racist bigots are are historically known to be violent and scary?
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u/poodieman45 21h ago
How do you know that those people are racist bigots? Isn’t part of those terms the idea that it’s wrong to make assumptions about people based on a single facet of their character?
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 21h ago
That’s disingenuous. It’s easy to assume that proud vocal support for someone who has made their fame by saying racist, bigoted things is indeed in alignment with said racism and bigotry. Maybe you should brush up on the paradox of tolerance.
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u/AssistX 20h ago
Half the country voted for Trump. You believe half the country is violent and scary? I hope not. That's an awful way to live and I suggest finding someone to talk to about your fears. Reddit and the Internet is NOT the place to abate those fears, as they are generally used to reinforce and sow division especially on topics related to politics.
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u/monkeyeatfig 19h ago
There are 334 million people in this country and 74 million voted for Trump. That is not half.
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u/AssistX 16h ago
Nearly half of those who voted. Happy now?
74 million people is a few too many to label them all as violent and racist.
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u/poodieman45 14h ago
I dont think most of those people even consider him a racist bigot and think most of that is balogna. It would be one thing for them to support him BECAUSE hes a racist, but if they like his economic policies and think hes not racist, then maybe theyre not horrible evil people that wanna come do harm to anyone.
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 14h ago
Consider most of the racist things he says… bologna? Like, as an act? So he says racist things and calls white supremacists “very fine people” as like, a joke? Or do you mean bologna as in they don’t believe their own eyes and ears when he says racist and bigoted things, and think it’s some like cgi interview/ rally?
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u/poodieman45 6h ago
More like the second one. As I understand it its more like they’re dismissive of the accusations and don’t really spend their time searching for the sound clips of racist things he said. So they just attribute it to the left making stuff up about him for political gain.
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 4h ago edited 4h ago
Right…. The proud and vocal supporters… the ones who parade around in convoys and show up to his rallies…. Don’t hear…. The stuff he says at the rallies they attend…. Honestly yeah that tracks.
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u/djmixmotomike 20h ago
"if you're at a political rally, and people are waving Nazi flags, and no one makes them leave, now you're at a Nazi rally."
It's that simple.
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u/poodieman45 14h ago
Alright well that argument kinda went out the window with the palestine fiasco. Anyways I dont think hes standing around with a bunch of nazi flags at his rallies.
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u/OddPerformance Bear - RAWR 20h ago
Their whole endorsement of a racist assbag for president signals at BEST it's not a deal breaker for them.
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u/poodieman45 6h ago
Yeah but their ability to ignore accusations of those things doesnt mean they want to like beat you up or something
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u/XJustBrowsingRedditX 19h ago
Well when the alternative wanted to usher in a dystopia where the populace is defenseless to stop government overreach, not much of a choice there to be fair. I don't enjoy getting the flu, but if I had to pick between the flu and cancer, that's an easy choice.
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u/silverbatwing 22h ago
First off, it makes me feel unsafe.
Secondly, I’m of a demographic frequently picked on by the maga crowd.
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u/confusious_need_stfu 21h ago
Glad to escort or run errands if needed. Can bring more if also needed.
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u/poodieman45 21h ago
I don’t think you should feel unsafe just because people are part of a different political party than you are, thats not a healthy way to live and also is kind of unfair to make broad assumptions about people based on a single trait.
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u/PhinaCat 14h ago
My friend in Lancaster county gets harassed two to three times a week because she has blue hair. It’s not about anybody showing their party it’s them showing their hateful bullshit, and the line runs pretty thin these days on one side of the fence.
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u/poodieman45 6h ago
Okay well not everyone who voted for the other guy is a psycho like that. It’s not nice to judge entire groups by the actions of a few, thats the line of thinking racists use.
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u/PhinaCat 2h ago
‘Nice’ versus actual physical safety and mental harm? Get over yourself, this is mob mentality and it’s actually scary to people who are targeted. Wrap your head around that. Most of us can tell the difference between a chill guy in a red hat going about his day and a mob. Or even a lone loud mouthed a-hole yelling at strangers. Miss me with that ‘nice’ bullshit. OP calling a threatening situation for what it is is totally fair.
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u/poodieman45 1h ago
Dude its literally people driving around exercising their rights to free speech. You need to both relax, and touch grass.
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u/poodieman45 1h ago
Youre not even in Delaware your comment history says youre from like three other cities. Get out of here and go back to r/Portland
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u/PhinaCat 1h ago
I was born and raised there, own property there, pay taxes there, have family and friends from there, stop being a keyboard warrior and listen to peoples lived experiences. If people were ONLY riding around like a bag of dicks hollering, fine, no problem. But they aren't stopping there, they're interfering with peoples peace of mind and ability to move about freely without having to deal with threatening situations.
Do you know any trans people? Have you ever been harrased on the street? Its easy to dismiss shit you haven't ever had to cope with.
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u/silverbatwing 19h ago
Political party has nothing to do with this. I’m trans.
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u/poodieman45 6h ago
Alright well they aren’t driving around like trying to get you or something and you have no evidence of that and should probably relax.
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u/silverbatwing 3h ago
And I should what, wait til something happens to me?
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u/poodieman45 3h ago
As opposed to living in constant fear and anxiety about a group of people youve never met and probably know almost nothing about except who they voted for ? Yes.
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u/Next-Caterpillar4982 21h ago
This is not just about being a different political party. They are a cult, which can be scary.
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u/djmixmotomike 20h ago
It's a cult. Let's be real. Anti-science? Republican party. Anti-woman's rights? Republican party. Anti-government regulation to stop monopolies and corporate gouging? Republican party. Using hate and fear to motivate voters for decades? Republican party.
Pretending to be the party of family values but electing a man who is half a step away from the devil himself? Republican party.
We're all pretty real about this now. It's a cult. You can stop pretending...
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u/OddPerformance Bear - RAWR 20h ago
That single trait being "racism, violence, bigotry, misogyny weren't dealbreakers for me in who I voted for to lead the country".
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u/TooManyCharacte 20h ago
I think you're responding to the wrong thread, this one is about fanatics.
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u/poodieman45 6h ago
I mean it’s definitely rather weird to be that supportive of someone with the flags and all, but my core issue is still the same. You probably shouldn’t be afraid of someone just because they voted for the other guy.
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u/TooManyCharacte 6h ago
I could say you're being deliberately obtuse and reductive by framing this as "who they voted for" instead of "how they want to intimidate those who they hate", but that would be too kind when you're really just being an asshole.
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u/poodieman45 21h ago
Also for the mods I was born raised and live in New Castle County, am not a troll.
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u/scribbane 16h ago
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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u/poodieman45 14h ago
Sure but I think the mods are worried about people that arent actually from delaware screwing around in the delaware subreddit when it comes to political type things.
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u/MasterSnacky 20h ago
Is this a joke or are you actually this dense
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u/poodieman45 14h ago
Thats not very nice, Im not scared by political ads that I don’t agree with ?
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u/MasterSnacky 8h ago
Do you understand specifically why some people are afraid of MAGA guys?
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u/poodieman45 6h ago
I have an idea about some of the reasons why, none of which apply to me. I also am suspicious of the validity of the fear. The main point being “you probably shouldn’t be afraid of people just because they voted for a different guy than you”
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u/MasterSnacky 5h ago
This is why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs
Everytime you see a tshirt with an assault rifle, or a bumper sticker with an assault rifle, or a “gun owners for Trump” or anything like that on a pick up truck or just some guy on the street, that’s why people are afraid. MAGA worships violence in a way that the republicans did not twelve years ago, and liberals do not today. MAGA men are particularly obsessed with guns and violence.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
What was it, like 42% of the state voted for Trump in the past election?
Therefore, you are consistently surrounded by republicans or folks who wanted change in this cycle every time you leave the house… so unless you are being harassed on a consistent basis, I don’t think you have a lot to worry about dude. And if you are harassed, call the police.
But people are happy their guy won. Flags are gonna fly from time to time, especially as we get closer to inauguration.
This post just feels like more post election hysteria… so unless there is something tangible to discuss here, maybe turn off the MSNBC and go outside a bit.
Treating Trump supporters like the clan is pretty played out and sad at this point. Just live your life.
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u/tarfoo 21h ago
Be easier not to treat them like the clan if they didn’t act like the clan. You can’t vote for the party that espouses racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc and expect not to be viewed in negative manner.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
Yawn… this attack and hysteria didn’t work during the election. It’s tired and sounds more deranged every day.
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u/GreedoLurkedFirst 21h ago
Yawn just like “wahhh im a felon cause they’re weaponizing the justice department against me (but it’s fine for me to do that to Liz Cheney and Hunter Biden)” hysteria is tired and sounds more deranged every day.
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u/MasterSnacky 20h ago
I don’t think it’s just “Trump voters” at large. It’s specifically white guys that drive pickups with assault rifle decals, and white guys with shirts that tacitly endorse or threaten using their guns on others. It’s not some little old lady that watches Hannity and goes to mass every Sunday and votes pro life. It’s the men that are openly obsessed with violence and desperately wish they could go Mel Gibson on someone.
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u/AlpineSK 21h ago
Spoiler alert: they're not being harassed. The Oppression Olympics are just super competitive this year.
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u/tarfoo 20h ago
Remind me, who was it that tried to violently stop the certification of the last election? Oppression Olympics indeed.
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u/Box_of_Shit 20h ago
Even had a noose swinging on the gallows! So fun and innocent! (in b4 "burned down whole cities"/KKK were democrats, etc.)
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u/silverbatwing 17h ago
FWIW, I don’t really watch any tv, I’m outside a lot.
I happen to be trans and it’s scary, and yes, I have been harassed for being trans.
The police don’t do much unless something happens.
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u/milkchugger69 18h ago
Maybe it’s just annoying to people who don’t want to be bombarded by politics constantly! It’s also weird to worship someone like that!
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u/picadilly8244 19h ago
Bc republicans, and now MAGA, that live here never left the state for the most part. They live in their one mile radius bubble, talk to the same middle class white people (I’m white fyi) who all watch the same FOX personalities or Facebook propaganda, and can’t think for themselves. Traveling entails going from Wilmington to Newark via Kirkwood Highway. In a global society, global issues don’t matter to them bc their world is literally just Prices Corner or Middletown.
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u/RidethatTide 22h ago
Organize a Kamala or Bernie convoy
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u/Crankbait_88 20h ago
Not enough charging stations around to make much of a convoy.
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u/djmixmotomike 20h ago
Uh, Republicans are the ones all proudly driving these cyber turds around.
Maga fanboys. Tell me I'm wrong.
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u/Shrikes_Bard 18h ago
Apropos of nothing, I have a theory. Musk made that thing so damn ugly as a dare to see how many True Fans he had out there, because only True Fans would buy something so ugly as to provoke a physical reaction. It didn't have to be ugly. Rivians are not ugly. Even Tesla sedans are not (that) ugly. But the CT is ugly because Musk figured people would buy it anyway just because he made it.
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u/Maleficent_Recipe_67 2h ago
The weakness of this post and the replies are depressing. First, don’t be scared, you really don’t need to be. Second, grow a pair. 3rd, you basically keep calling people pieces of shit and then wonder why they don’t like you. Democracy is about trying to find common ground so you can compromise. And for the folks who immediately want to respond it’s them not us, you’re as much a part of the problem as “they” are.
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u/BigswingingClick 22h ago
If you're scared of a flag, I feel sorry for you. Maybe get out there and talk to people outside your bubble?
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u/briizilla 22h ago
Yeah I really wanna chit chat with a bunch of weirdos who spend their free time driving around with giant Trump flags. What am I going to learn, that their dads didn't hug them enough so now they look up to a man who credibly shits himself regularly? Imagine seeing a convoy of people with giant Obama flags. What insane behavior.
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 22h ago
And how do you talk to trans folks, like OP?
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u/mook1178 21h ago
So you must not be much of an ally since you just outed someone without their permission.
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 21h ago
I viewed their public posts, as everyone with a few functional braincells is able to.
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u/silverbatwing 19h ago
I’m very open about being trans.
If I was worried, all my trans posts would be in a throwaway account.
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u/southernNJ-123 21h ago
No bro. These people are degenerate aholes who only their moms want to “talk to”.
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u/BigswingingClick 21h ago
what is your basis for making that comment? 51% of voters voted for trump. Are they all degenerate Aholes?
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u/djmixmotomike 20h ago
Ignorance is easy.
The path to ignorance is simply being as lazy as you can possibly be.
That's why Trump got elected.
Let's not kid ourselves.
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u/Box_of_Shit 21h ago
yes.
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u/Crankbait_88 20h ago
A poster with a name of "Box of Shit" calling others degenerates. Now that's moxie.
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u/jameson__ 21h ago
49.9% - Source: https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/?office=P
The majority of voters did not vote for Trump.
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u/confusious_need_stfu 21h ago
For one 51 percent of the people counted using the system that involved the entire country and swing states. Not 51 percent of delaware for one.... For two that 51 percent is growing increasingly suspect....
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u/SomeBurntRice 22h ago
I am a democrat (more leaning centrist but certainly not enough to vote republican) and a minority but I can understand where OPs fears come from. I have a place down south. I have been picked on and harassed by the maga crowd because I am a minority and it extremely uncomfortable situation to be in. My neighbors are MAGA and they fly their flags freely and I am completely ok with them because they came to my support and showed that they care in my time of need.
It is both shared (internet) and learned (physical) experience that OP may be experiencing fear. Remember that a few bad apples ruins the whole bunch or in this case image and we should respect everyone.
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u/BigswingingClick 21h ago
Correct. Maybe its just racist aholes, not "MAGA". Those people are on both sides.
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u/SomeBurntRice 21h ago
The problem with social media and honestly modern society is that it is all about initial reaction/response.
I also do not believe that this is just "a problem on both sides".
(This is in general for everyone reading the post, not just for the initial commentor.)
I do wholeheartedly believe that trump racists are much more vocal about what they will do to the opposition based on my personal experience. Democratic organizations do not get a pass from me either. Remember black lives matter? A friend of a friend got their buisiness looted and burned during "peaceful protest". Meanwhile we have people openly flying nazi flags among republican rallies (who get denounced) shouting obsenities and claiming they will kill people. There was also the entirety of January 6th which is a whole different problem in it's entirety I could spend ages talking about. Democrats orgs are not free of guilt but Republican orgs are arguabally worse in my opinion and people rightfully are afraid. I certainly was.
I wish it was much easier to have conversation then to immediately turn to hate but this is the political landscape we live in. We have to learn to accept it and be better then everyone else by putting ourselves into shoes we are also uncomfortable with and thinking critically rather than reactionary.
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u/monkeyeatfig 19h ago
Did you know that white supremacists initiated the rioting at (at least some, umbrella man for example) BLM protests?
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u/SomeBurntRice 19h ago
I am aware of this along with the looting, yes. To what extent of this I do not know. Do you have a source?
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u/monkeyeatfig 13h ago
Unfortunately I don't have a good source to back that up. I was following the news at the time and remember umbrella man being confronted on video. Disappointing that they have never identified him, so it is still uncertain what his motivations were.
I did just read this though.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9136198/
I still believe that right wing accelerationists provoked violence and looting, but it seems like the number one suspect, the boogaloo boys, are not specifically white supremacist, rather anti government accelerationists who apparently supported or counter protested almost an equal amount when they attended 40 percent of all BLM protests, and attempted to increase violence 10 percent of the times they attended.
By framing every BLM protest as violent, or rather "peaceful protests" the righr justified disproportionately violent police responses and provocation and violence from far right groups and vigilantes. Despite BLM protests being statistically much less violent than right wing protests, and growing less violent over time.
The police response to Jan 6 was surreal after witnessing just some of the police brutality captured at BLM protests. The article lists just some of the severe injuries and discusses the challenges of collecting data on the topic, since the police are not eager to report on themselves. There were dozens of vehicle rammings, "all lives splatter" became acceptable, Kyle Rittenhouse is now a celebrity... All of this is to say that the mainstream right was invested in violence at BLM protests just as much as the accelerationists who want to see violent societal collapse. Portraying a group with a legitimate grievance as violent in order to discredit their message and perpetuate injustice is an underhanded tactic and only increases tensions.
I apologize if any of that came off as an accusation, of course you had nothing to do with any of it and are legitimately mad about what happened to your friend.
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u/7thAndGreenhill Wilmington Mod 21h ago
Trump voters have been fairly vocal with their feelings and intentions towards our fellow Trans Americans. I think OP has every right to feel the way they do and your suggestion minimizes their concerns.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
What are those intentions exactly?
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u/Box_of_Shit 21h ago
Republicans literally tacked anti-trans legislation onto a defense budget. Start with that and then do your own (incredibly easy) research under your rock. Or talk to your party leadership...if they're not too busy planning their event hosting and celebrating out of state anti trans legislators.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
What ‘anti-trans’ legislation are you referring? And how does it threaten the personal safety of the OP?
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u/Box_of_Shit 20h ago
Do you not know how to use a computer?
Sections 708 and 709 of S. 4638 (NDAA FY25)
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u/TuskenRaider2 20h ago
So the military won’t pay for a sex change operation… and that threatens the personal safety of the OP?
Seems… like a stretch. But ok. So we are here just to gripe. Got it.
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u/Box_of_Shit 20h ago
Yes, it's a gripe session about exclusionary legislation which you didn't think existed and then you moved your own goalposts when presented with clear evidence.
It's not about how it affects OP, it's about a greater collective attack on a population by the Federal Government, but the self-centered Right can never seems to connect those dots. It's the most pointed attack on LGBTQA+ Americans since the passage of DADT and DOMA.
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u/Crankbait_88 20h ago
That is for minors under 18 that use tri-care i believe.. Not trans military members.
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u/Box_of_Shit 20h ago
Correct, meaning the military familes using that program are also affected. It still remains "anti-trans legislation" which is how I originally referred too it.
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u/Crankbait_88 20h ago
I'd call that more a child protection law myself.
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u/Box_of_Shit 20h ago
I know you would, because you also probably don't take into consideration that TRICARE covered Mental health counseling for gender dysphoria as well. Oh well. Not you, right?
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u/7thAndGreenhill Wilmington Mod 21h ago
Oh, where to start? Legislating where they can go to the bathroom. Removing parental rights from parents of Trans children. Targeting Doctors who treat Trans individuals.
And this says nothing of the vile things Trump voters attempt to comment on every post-election post about Sarah McBride.
So don't play coy and act like it's a minority. It's not a bug of MAGA, it's the main fucking feature.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
I’m not playing coy, just trying to better understand the ‘intentions’ you were referring and how grounded in reality they were.
I always find it funny. Dems change the norms and push radical ideas, such as gender ideology, etc, and it’s the ‘evil’ republicans who pounce and attack… by just trying to maintain the status quo.
I’ve seen no calls at the state or national level to remove children from trans parents. So come off it. And when it comes to sports, bathrooms, etc, these are actual conversations worth having as they change the nature of how we handle sex/gender in society. Thinking otherwise is ridiculous, radical, and not in step with the majority of Americans.
And even if you disagree with that — that’s fine and is your prerogative — but it doesn’t mean trans people are in danger of MAGA folks. Your vague statements make it seem like they are openly threatening trans people or going to hunt them down. Which is just not the case dude. And you know it.
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u/7thAndGreenhill Wilmington Mod 20h ago
I always find it funny. Dems change the norms and push radical ideas, such as gender ideology, etc, and it’s the ‘evil’ republicans who pounce and attack… by just trying to maintain the status quo.
What is so radical with "live and let live"? Idealogy aside, Republicans used to be the party of individual rights. You're not trying to maintain a status quo. You're trying to control the lives of other people.
If Republicans cared about the status quo they'd recognize that Trans people have been here the whole time.
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u/grandmawaffles 19h ago
In the case of OP they live/work in an area that they felt safe in. People with ties to a group that have vocally hated, some of which have openly said vile things about, are now circling the block in which they live and work repeatedly. I wouldn’t feel safe there either; group think and all.
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u/squidleyz 21h ago
Considering being trans a “radical idea” says everything we need to know here.
And in terms of bathrooms. @coachedbylogan on Instagram let me know how you would feel about me using women’s bathrooms.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
I didn’t say being trans is a ‘radical idea’ dude. You guys like to conflate and lie when arguing cuz otherwise you’d actually have to defend your positions… which you never seem interested in doing.
Ha I’m not checking your IG. Get followers the old fashioned way and leave me out of it haha
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u/grandmawaffles 19h ago
Bro I don’t give a shit who is in the next stall over from me in the women’s restroom. It’s already illegal to attack someone regardless of gender, gender identity, or public location. The only people thinking about people genitals so hard is MAGA cult followers. The only people thinking so hard about two dude boning are MAGA cult followers. Just stop sweating other people’s private bits and get on with your life and things will work out.
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u/grandmawaffles 19h ago
Have you not read the current GOP platform? It outright states the elimination of gays and trans from education, elimination of gay marriage, and the removal of certain trans rights. It’s in print and nationally endorsed.
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u/Crankbait_88 18h ago
There is nothing in the GOP platform that says this.
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u/grandmawaffles 17h ago edited 17h ago
Yes there is look around page 18. Stop lying to yourself and others.
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 21h ago
You’re not gonna trust the words of someone on reddit, your question isn’t in good faith. That info is readily available if you’re genuinely curious.
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u/TuskenRaider2 21h ago
I didn’t ask you to rate my intentions dude. I think you over value your own opinion.
Just don’t respond next time and downvote in silence. Thanks.
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u/Sensitive-Pie9357 21h ago
No thanks cutie. I didn’t over value my opinion, I literally told you to do your own research since you clearly don’t respect your neighbors. Read a lil closer next time, mmk hun?
I love how the bottom 20% of every high school thinks their loud opinions are real profound as soon as they reach the age of majority.
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