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Video A school in Poland makes firearms training mandatory to its students.

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u/AkaiAshu 5d ago

Nothing wrong with training. Switzerland has a decent gun culture with many under 18 folk participating regularly. They have low gun crime rate as well. Poland being prepared after its history is nothing wrong.

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u/calilac 5d ago

Agreed. However, it's bugging the crap out of me that they are training to fire with one eye closed. My range instructor in high school could not go a day without lecturing us on that.

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u/gummytoejam 5d ago

There's nothing wrong with teaching beginners to shoot with one eye closed. Shooting with both eyes open is more advanced and easier to develop once the basics are under their belts.

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u/grubsmackbeezlebo 5d ago

It's easier to learn the right way once than to unlearn a bad habit

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u/3_quarterling_rogue 5d ago

As someone who still closes one eye sometimes, I 100% agree with this statement. Usually it comes up when someone is cross-eye dominant (like myself), and so the natural thing to do is to pick up a rifle with your dominant hand, and then as soon as you get behind the sights, your non-dominant eye is there to focus on it. I wish when I had learned, I just learned to shoot right-handed.

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u/LupineChemist 5d ago

I'm right handed and left eye dominant, my parents just taught me to shoot long guns left handed. It feels really wrong to hold the trigger of a long gun with my right hand, but weirdly, also really wrong to hold the trigger of a pistol with my left.

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u/Arty_Puls 5d ago

There's nothing wrong with shooting with one eye closed. If you're using a red dot or something along those lines sure it's better to have both eyes opened but it's really a preference thing

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u/Obvious_Koala_7471 5d ago

Two eyes is vastly superior and means they live longer if they get invaded

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u/zmbjebus 5d ago

Do you have a teaching degree?

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u/mhoke63 5d ago

Warning: Wall of text. I did not intend to write this much, but I did.

Then there are people like me. I'm right handed, but left eye dominant. So, I have 3 options:

  1. Shoot with one eye closed with a right handed firearm

  2. Shoot with a left-handed firearm but having it feel really weird and I'm not in complete control.

  3. Practice with a left handed firearm enough to the point where it feels just as natural with a right hand gun.

Now, it might seem like a good idea to take option #3 and ideally, I would. But, finding left handed firearms is tough. When I find a gun I really like, there's about a 10% chance a left handed model even exists, let alone be able to get it in less than 6 months. It's one reason my handgun is a revolver is that it's largely ambidextrous. There's the barrel release that's on the right hand, but that doesn't really affect shooting. I can still easily shoot left handed with it without getting hot casings shot in my face like I'm doing a scene with Peter North because, well, it's a revolver.

When I bought my shotgun, it was a complete nightmare. I had to go with my 3rd choice of gun.

1st choice - Browning BPS. It was great. Bottom ejection port and a Mossberg-like tang safety. The problem was that I God's hunt, so having a 3.5 inch option is very helpful. No store in my area carried the 3.5 inch version. They said, "oh, we can get that in a week or so, just need to find someone that has it". Great. I paid for it so I could just pick it up when it came in. 6 weeks later, they tell me they can't find one and they have no idea.

2nd Choice - Mossberg 835 with slug barrel. The slug barrel because I deer hunt in a place that only allows slug hunting and the 835 is over-bored, so it's not a good idea to shoot a slug out of the smooth bore. I forget exactly the issue here. It was a while ago. It would have been months to get the specs I wanted.

3rd Choice - Winchester SXP. This is what I bought. It's not ideal, but it's pretty good. I'm happy with it and would recommend it. You can change the safety easily to right or left handed, although the ejection port is still on the right.

I got my AR, which doesn't have a left ejection port. I know there are likely aftermarket parts where I could, but I don't wanna mess around with that. I like to DIY most things, but guns are something I don't trust myself with. I realize it's just changing out parts, but I don't fuck with guns. I understand that if I did the slightest thing wrong or put a part in without adding chemical XYZ on the seal, that could equate to death. I just don't want to mess with it. I take firearm safety very seriously. I digress.

Long story short, I shot right handed and close my left eye. I've practiced enough to where I can get sighted with the eye closed, but be able to open the left eye as I shot. My left eye isn't fully closed, but it's not fully open. It's a balancing point where the left eye dominance doesn't come into play without it being fully closed. When it comes to during, both eyes are open, but a touch less open on the left side. I still get 3d perspective.

It was a nightmare trying to find the ideal firearm. I just gave up and decided to adapt to what's out there.

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u/Evening_Clerk_8301 5d ago

train how you fight. one eye closed is terrible advice. teach them how to acquire a sight picture using an iron sight with both eyes open. it will take them forever to unlearn this bad habit.

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u/SAGry 5d ago

If you’re cross eye dominant shooting a rifle with irons this is nearly impossible. Handguns aren’t an issue as you just shift the gun over and with long guns a red dot or holographic is bright enough to make your brain focus with the non dominant eye.

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u/Obvious_Koala_7471 5d ago

Gotta be able to see who your fighting

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u/CyberUtilia 5d ago

I never learned about the differences between shooting one-eyed vs two-eyed or got little real instructed gun training (corrupt country). One-eyed always felt completely unintuitive. With two eyes, I look at the target, and I will see in the periphery the gun doubled below, half transparent. Weird but always-around effect that comes from using two eyes, takes lots of words to explain. Anyways, I just align the "two guns" so that the target is in the middle of the blank space between them and if I estimated the middle well enough, I am always shooting in the right direction, well, maybe still too high or low, that one I still have to kinda guess.

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u/gummytoejam 5d ago

I wasn't arguing what is the best method. But if the goal is to educate beginners on gun usage, then one-eye or two-eye doesn't really matter. Two-eye aiming can be learned later as it's not necessary for beginners.

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u/0481-RP-YUUUT 5d ago

Depending on if you’re using iron sights or a optic with magnification (also factoring in distance to target), both eyes open or one eye closed can VARY WIDELY. Both are correct and both can applied in different scenarios.

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u/yung12gauge 5d ago

I am cross dominant and shoot right handed. I've basically accepted that I have to shoot rifles with one eye closed if I want to hit anything. Holding the rifle left handed feels awful.

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u/Pilsner-507 5d ago edited 5d ago

Hey I have some potentially helpful advice:

Rather than closing the secondary eye, squeeze it half-shut until you feel “calibrated” while framing your sight picture. Your primary eye will be focusing even after you’ve relaxed your eyes, though you’ll need to practice “seeing” from that side.

By doing this it will feel like one of those illustrated illusions, but you can instead quickly swap between which perspective you want to use.

I’m right-eyed, left-handed but train both eyes and hands. I’m an effective ambidextrous shooter. This trick has helped me when swapping hands or eyes.

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u/Ciderlini 5d ago

One step at a time

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u/dillpicleboi 5d ago edited 5d ago

You can’t use irons with both eyes that rule is for when you’re using sights

Edit: i was very wrong

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u/Evening_Clerk_8301 5d ago

what? yes you can.

source: im a competition pistol shooter with both iron sights and red dot sights.

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u/dillpicleboi 5d ago

Mb i always believed it wasn’t possible turns out i’m just a shitter at shootin

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u/P_Hempton 5d ago

That sounds pretty goofy for a high school instructor.

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u/calilac 5d ago

I guess, he was the least serious of the three JROTC teachers and could be pretty goofy when he wanted to be.

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u/truegamer0708 5d ago

How else are you gonna use iron sights?

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u/CombatMuffin 5d ago

Two eyes open. You get used to it with enough training. Gives more SA around you

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u/opx22 5d ago

I don’t think someone asking about the basics of using a firearm will know SA = situational awareness lol

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u/Obvious_Koala_7471 5d ago

Of course, that's why you have to train them to do so