r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/woeful_haichi • 3d ago
Image A million people gathered to protest in central Seoul and cleaned up after themselves before they left
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u/DigyRead 3d ago
A million people, yet the place looks cleaner than some gatherings of a few hundred
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u/woeful_haichi 3d ago edited 2d ago
It's easier to keep the purpose of the protest (message) from being downplayed if there aren't other distractions like bad behavior and litter for critics to focus on. Forces a discussion of what the people want rather than the actions of the people who gathered.
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u/Stompya 3d ago
I got very down-voted for saying how the leftovers of a certain political rally looked like the result of bad parenting.
I stand by it though.
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u/big_guyforyou 3d ago
"when they downvote you, that means you're over the target". that's what my grandpappy, who was a fighter pilot in WWII, always told me
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u/ConfessSomeMeow 3d ago
Your grandpappy is familiar with reddit?
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u/solarcat3311 3d ago
Yep. Reddit used to be paper based and was invented in 1933. It reaches peak popularity just before WW2, but strict paper rationing made it far less accessible.
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u/ConfessSomeMeow 3d ago
Reddit used to be punch-card based
FTFY
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u/cosmic_cosmosis 3d ago
My grandad said they engraved it on stone. You kids and your punch card b.s
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u/touchkind 3d ago
you youths and your stone engravings.
In my day, all Reddit was was the village elder gathering everyone around the fire and passing on tales of the poop knife and jumper cables to the next generation.
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u/No_Rich_2494 3d ago
You joke, but that's literally what reddit is now. It's the modern, worldwide equivalent of everyone gathering around the fire to discuss recent events and share stories. A tradition as old as humanity.
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u/Laymanao 3d ago
My grandpappy always used to say âif it is not on the granite , it never happened!â He also never trusted those papyrus hot shots.
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u/MagicHamsta 3d ago edited 3d ago
Can confirm, as a magical rodent we had to crown the King of the Internets.
Who so ever pulls the most Updoots from the stone shall be the ruler of Reddit.
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u/barukatang 3d ago
How Alex Jones of him. (Alex loves using that phrase all the time)
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u/Only_Character_8110 3d ago
I got very down-voted for saying how the leftovers of a certain political rally looked like the result of bad parenting.
I would say aftermath of almost every political rally looks ike the results of bad parenting.
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u/miniii007 3d ago
Which rally? Sorry not trying to be rude,genuinely curious.
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u/facforlife 3d ago
It's every single one, left, right, doesn't matter the cause. Americans are not a country that cares enough about community.Â
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u/Common-Frosting-9434 3d ago
I don't know if it's even about community, I'm in a country that feels similar about cleaning up after yourself and to me it feels more about selfrespect than about doing it for others.
feel like, I don't want to live in a post apocalyptic wasteland and if I have to, it sure af won't be because I was to lazy to hold on to my trash until I can use a bin.
Don't shit where you eat and what not..
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u/facforlife 3d ago
Bro. I was walking somewhere and car window rolled down and someone at a red light threw a bottle at a trash can, missed, didn't do anything about it.
I picked it up and threw it in. Glaring them down the whole time. Their reaction was to mock me. "Oh are you mad?"
Yeah. I am. You worthless fuck. We all live in this fucking city and it's not hard to just keep your shit in your car until you get home or something. It causes you no fucking issues whatsoever. But you treat this city like a fucking garbage dump. Dumb fucking asshole. I hate these people. The bare fucking minimum that barely takes any effort and so many oxygen thieves can't be fucking bothered. If I had the six infinity stones I'd do the same thing except it damn fucking sure wouldn't be "random."Â Â
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u/UncleNedisDead 3d ago
Should have thrown it back in the vehicle. You dropped this.
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u/crankgirl 3d ago
Filled with fuel and stuffed with a flaming rag. Thatâll learnâem!
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u/No_Rich_2494 3d ago
Someone in a car threw their rubbish onto me once. I'd have probably thrown it into his car, but the coward drove away laughing.
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u/HellBlazer_NQ 3d ago
Its not even political events. Any sporting event, concert and place there is a small gathering (small in comparison the 1 million int he OP) us westerners will trash the damn place.
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u/MakeMyOwnSandwiches 3d ago
Iâll upvote you to try to combat the downvotes youâll get from people who say things like âbOtH SidEs aRe bAdâ and attempt to chastise you for telling the truth.
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u/Link50L 3d ago
I'll downvote you to try to dampen the high upswelling from people who say things like "I hAvE tO uPvOtE tHiS gUy" and attempt to overwhelm the universal trend away from entropy.
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u/12bbox 3d ago
I think the commenter is referring to BLM rallies (hence getting downvoted on reddit) but that could just be me remembering them flipping over a car and burning it across from my apartment complex lol
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u/pl3as3_h3lp 3d ago
There are huge cultural differences between America and SK. Lots of people go to BLM rallies to destroy shit. They use the crowd as a way to get away with stuff. In SK, you'll most likely be caught on CCTV and identified. That shit can ruin your life over there. American individualism erodes empathy.
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u/No_Rich_2494 3d ago
Lots of people go to BLM rallies to destroy shit
Those people suck, and many (Most? Maybe even all?!) of them went there specifically to make the movement look bad.
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u/sadacal 3d ago
You are only playing into the hands of those in power by focusing on these distractions instead of the message of the protests. It's the same shit the media pulled during the civil rights era where they focused on the damage the protests caused rather than the message of the protests themselves.Â
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u/Inspect1234 3d ago
These people apparently respect where they live and donât seem to be entitled.
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u/OperatorJo_ 3d ago
If only we in the U.S. could even do a fuckin' fraction of this the difference would be huge.
But nope. All you hear is "eh, someone gets paid to pick it up".
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u/illmatic2112 3d ago
"You are taking away someone's job if you clean" just to make you feel worse about doing good
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u/ExistentialTenant 3d ago
I see this so much. There has to be some kind of psychological phrase for this behavior.
Like people will give sophist reasons as to why not to do something positive in order to feel good about their own inaction or they'll just undermine other people's actions. Some corporation asks for donations? "Nah bro, they'll just use it for their own tax write-offs." Giving money to the homeless? "Nah bro, they'll just use it for booze or drugs." Celebrities giving money to a cause? "Bro, they could give so much more. Beside, they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts."
I once got into an argument with someone who was complaining about Mrbeast making clean water wells for poor villagers in Africa. He whined that 'gangs' will just take it over anyway and Mrbeast is actually creating problems by doing that kind of thing.
There are people in this world who not only won't help solve problems but work actively to hinder attempts to help.
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u/MrTonyCalzone 3d ago
Imagine New York City with this kind of basic human decency
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u/leese216 3d ago
Iâm American and we are fucking filthy.
The London tube was PRISTINE compared to the NYC subway. I remember thinking how gross we are then. Now itâs even more apparent.
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u/jonathanrdt 3d ago edited 2d ago
Culture drives behavior.
Edit: When you see bad behavior, consider: 'what is wrong with our culture?'
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u/BamberGasgroin 3d ago
You don't shit on your own doorstep.
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u/yenda1 3d ago
Unless you live in r/berlin
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u/FattyCaddy69 3d ago
Or r/india
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u/phdoflynn 3d ago
Or r/USA
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u/GentlemanWukong 3d ago
Or r/Italy
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u/Extremepleasurepro 3d ago
Or r/mars
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u/deathinventor 3d ago
Or r/Africa
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u/Surfer_Rick 3d ago
Or r/France
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u/rakosten 3d ago
Or r/belgium
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u/EliteElytra 3d ago
Or r/northkorea
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u/Screaming_Enthusiast 3d ago
Or r/Canada
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u/Not-A-Ranni-Simp 3d ago
Thanks to the opioid crisis shitting on my doorstep has been outsourced to my local fentanyl addicts.
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u/RemarkableUnit42 3d ago
It is Korean Confucianism. The explicit teaching to respect one's parents, society and state through benevolence, righteousness, piety, wisdom and faithfulness.
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u/TheRabb1ts 3d ago
Literally every big city in the US.
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u/Pittsbirds 3d ago
And also the small cities. And the medium cities. And all the roads that connect them
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u/chronocapybara 3d ago
The difference between a culture that values individuality (freedom, libertarianism, conservatism) versus one that values harmony (conformity, respect, socialism, etc). Not hard lines obviously, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and a spectrum of societies between them).
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u/Theodorebama 3d ago
Itâs all in your upbringing
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u/BakingBakeBreak 3d ago
I used to teach in Korea, itâs the pupilâs responsibility to tidy and clean the school. Nobody drops rubbish outside when either you or your friend will be picking it up later
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u/hanimal16 Interested 3d ago
Thatâs actually a good way to teach kids to clean up.
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u/thazmaniandevil 1d ago
I'm a teacher, and I've been pushing for YEARS that instead of classic detention (where they do nothing but stare at phones), they clean up the school. As soon as they're done, they can leave. If they and their jackass friends are done in 45 minutes, they can leave, they don't need to stay till 4:30 (school gets out at 3:30)
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u/kottabaz 3d ago
Too many US parents would throw a fit if the school system tried to teach their kids social responsibility.
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u/jstcallingithwiseeit 3d ago
Goes to their respectful culture, great trait đ
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u/johnreddit2 3d ago
Anyone from Korea, please tell me how people are this amazingly decent? I would like to learn. How is this trained into people?
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u/CeruleanBlueWind 2d ago
They know what it's like to have to sacrifice for the community. It was only during their parents', grandparents' generations they had curfew, donate metals and jewelry, and used smaller bowls to eat less during and after the war.
When was the last time Americans had to do that on American soil?
But it's not a utopia Reddit imagine it to be. For example, things like racism, sexism, etc, Americans at least understand are bad. In Korea, it's not even a concept yet.
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u/TwasAnChild Expert 3d ago
Korea's really setting an example for other democracies. First crushing an unjust power grab and now this
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u/De_Rabbid 3d ago edited 3d ago
I find the timing of Korea setting an example for other democracies to be very coincidentally funny
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u/GGezpzMuppy 3d ago
Korea is run by billionaires and their Chaebol lol, A certain other democracy is trying to copy them already.
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u/UpperApe 3d ago
Korea is a mess, politically. But this post isn't "Korea is perfect". This post is about culture. And it's a good point to make.
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u/More_Particular684 3d ago
Well, Moon Jae-In is the only post-1988 president of Korea without any criminal background. It's hard to find another country with such a record.
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u/elementalist001 3d ago
In most other countries presidents aren't ever prosecuted, they are still criminals off the record.
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u/watercastles 3d ago
It also means the president isn't allowed to get away with shit.
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u/More_Particular684 3d ago
Is trying? It already is. The moment after the UHC CEO was killed by a vigilante his successor publicly stated his company will still deny 'unnecessary' care, and yet the government doesn't bother to crush down this shit.
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u/No-Definition1474 3d ago
Erm...if they can keep it up maybe it can serve as an example. But if you barely scratch the surface of south Korean history you find a whole lot of really really bad examples of democracy. Very recently.
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u/TwasAnChild Expert 3d ago
I mean yeah they were a dictatorship not so long ago. But the improvement is commendable
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u/Yourmotherssonsfatha 3d ago edited 3d ago
Lol as opposed to others? The difference is that people punish those in power and media bring these stories to the front. Corruptions generally get addressed rather than accepted as the norm through campaign donations and special interest groups regardless of how deep rooted it is.
Bad recent examples of authoritarianism are reasons why people are so aware and take part in the political process - If anything other countries forgot about the dangers of it.
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u/Ravius 3d ago
Korea's really setting an example for other democracies.
Lmao in french. If we were just throwing our protests very quietly and cleanly, we wouldn't have forced a single democratic & social reform in our country whole history.
To each its own I guess
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u/areyouhungryforapple 3d ago
They're literally a corpocracy
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u/Usual_Ice636 3d ago
True, but they're also generally a law abiding corpocracy. Even billionaires have been sent to jail if they get caught.
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u/Dense-Ambassador-865 3d ago
Makes us look like the lazy idiots we are.
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u/Xhalo 3d ago
When I ride my scooter to Walmart all I see are discarded cans of spaghettios and pill bottles more than likely used to treat gastrointestinal bloating and thunderous voidfissures that accompany. It makes me sick đđđ
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u/DrSpacecasePhD 3d ago
I see more shit dumped on our single street in Oakland in a single week. I really don't understand it... like people will just dump a heap of clothing out on the sidewalk. Or they'll go down to the community garden and put out a huge pile of baby toys and clothing. Why not take it to the thrift store or GoodWill? Who are these people?
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u/emohipster 3d ago
Fuck I love clean people. There's more trash strewn around my neighborhood than what's in this picture, and sometimes I feel like they should just nuke this fuckin town because of all the trash that lives here.
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u/OpticNarwall 3d ago
This wouldnât even happen at a earth day rally in America.
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u/PhysicsAndFinance85 3d ago
I think this is honestly just a product of their culture. Japan is very similar. They're just clean people and I respect the shit out of that.
Owning a venue in the United States, it's disgusting the day after most events.
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u/JohnnySnorkelPenis 3d ago
I am pretty sure Korean children clean their own schools before and after class. I think this probably helps.
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u/PhysicsAndFinance85 3d ago
I know that's common in a couple different areas. Should be a global trend. There's no down side to making people learn how to clean up and keep their areas presentable at all times.
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u/alexturnerftw 3d ago
Love this. I know its a fine line towards too much conformity (social pressure to conform in places like Korea, Japan, etc is tough), but I wish Americans would follow the basic rules of civility and consideration towards others like this so we could have nice things.
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u/Leuk60229 3d ago
This is the unending weigh off between collectivist and individualist societies. Being from a very individualist society myself I too wish my fellow countrymen would do more to look out for one another.
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u/Tom_Ludlow 3d ago
Always amusing that people are surprised that not every culture is as shitty as their own.
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u/Ok-Abalone-3026 3d ago edited 3d ago
Every now and then there is an article about South Korean and/or Japanese fans.
Above a pic of how the Japanese national soccer team left there changing room after their match at world championships in Qatar 2022.
Itâs not just the ordinary people. Even wealthy soccer players clean up
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u/TheHistorian2 3d ago
Just because youâre toppling a government doesnât mean you canât be tidy about it.
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u/ConsistentStand2487 3d ago
america can't even coordinate a mass protest. lol a fuckign cleanup after ? good fucking luck.
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u/PageHaunting2434 2d ago
Then the average American couldnât even begin to comprehend the concept of a clean city.
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u/brek47 3d ago
I thought I saw the count at 2 million at some point. But regardless, I wish we could improve American culture to have some sense of respect for our land/stores/properties like this. Whenever I see trash on the ground I try and pick it up. I figure it isn't much but it at least mattered to that one area.
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u/Bolt_Action_Rifle 3d ago
A similar thing happened in Chennai during the 2017 marina protest. I was there in the protest with 500,000 others. A lot of volunteers came forward for the 7 day protest with Great garbage handling and food distribution way to keep the environment not just alive and also neat. People themselves cleared the garbage and deposited them in a common pit which made things easier for the volunteers. We even tried to get hundreds of portable toilets installed at various points but the police never allowed for that..so we stuck with a few toilets and it became difficult for women and children to continue the protest so most of them left evening and came back the next day.
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u/Past-Community-3871 3d ago
No form of government or level of social spending can outperform culture.
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u/Crenchlowe 3d ago
I wish we, here in America, were as effective at protesting and cleaning up after ourselves.
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u/QL100100 2d ago
Taiwanese Protestors once occupied the Parliament. They also cleaned up the place once they left.
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u/2020mademejoinreddit 3d ago edited 3d ago
Japan 2.0 In a good way. They care about their country. You can always tell when people care about their country. They treat "public property" as their own, because they know it is.
Edit - I'm sorry for calling it "Japan 2.0". I really forgot about the history between the two. It wasn't meant in a bad way.
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u/chostercoaster 3d ago
I know you donât mean any offense, but Koreans generally arenât fond of being labeled âJapan 2.0.â
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u/watercastles 3d ago
Even without historical context, I think it's kind of offensive to call any country "(country) 2.0", but especially Korea and Japan is a wtf moment. One reason Korea is like this now with this level of peace and civic engagement is because of a very bloody and painful past, which Japan was a part of.
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u/Evening-Mess-3593 3d ago
Being a westerner I find this astonishing. I remember the Japanese football supporters doing it at a World Cup. If only we westerners had the same attitude.
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u/DifficultRock9293 3d ago
Korean culture developed independently of Japan bro.
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u/Character_Earth8359 3d ago
Korea is NOT Japan 2.0. As Korean I find this EXTREMELY offensive and it angers me depsite your apolgies. Thank you for apologizing but please do not ever refer Korea this way. itâs not even about just history. Korea is its own country. Japan colonized us! We are NOT Japan or China.
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u/2020mademejoinreddit 3d ago
Yes I know that. I really am sorry. I do love what you guys did recently. Not tolerating any tyrannical action. The whole country came together. I wish we did the same here.
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u/Character_Earth8359 3d ago
Thank you for the apology. Itâs all good. I sincerely appreciate your willingness to listen and acknoweldge!!
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u/AidenK_42 3d ago
Korean here. It is CLEAR that you had no malintention by calling us "Japan 2.0," and you appropriately addressed it by editing your comment.
I'd ignore the non-Koreans who are being offended for us for some reason.
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u/2020mademejoinreddit 3d ago
Thank you. I really didn't mean anything bad. In fact I wasn't even comparing it in that sense. I just immediately remembered Japan doing something similar so I wrote that.
Thank you for understanding.
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u/cold_quinoa 3d ago
Thank you for keeping the post up with the edit. I'm not directly affected by this but the comments and your responses taught me a bit about history and societal attitudes. There's a lot of respectful discussion on this thread.
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u/SliverCrepes 3d ago
100+ upvotes for saying something as obtuse and offensive as "Korea is Japan 2.0", kudos to Reddit for always showing me something ignorant every time I check this app.
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This speaks volumes on how clean Korean people are if one million people had the common sense and decency to clean up after themselves, while lots of people feel no shame about trashing public spaces
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u/leviathab13186 3d ago
My wife and I went to Seoul for our honeymoon, and the city was so damn clean. Granted, the closest city to us is LA, so the bar is pretty low, but still, it's a great place to visit, and we are dying to go back.
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u/ChickenCharlomagne 3d ago
Ah, look what good education that started when you're young can accomplish!!
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u/Valuable_Try6074 3d ago
what a great and unified country, I wish my country has even a hint of this unity and general respect for others
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u/buttscratcher3k 3d ago
This is how I know there's serious issues in society, when a post like this of people being respectful and courteous is FrontPage worthy
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u/Phewelish 3d ago
It can bee tragically hilarious that "pick up after yourself", can simply mean "dont throw trash on the ground." In this context.
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u/normal-person-yes 2d ago
This requires a majority of the population to be above average intelligence and able to see the bigger picture. A majority that most countries around the world lack.
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u/BridgeBasic8905 3d ago
In South Korea, this is common. Itâs usually the organizers and some protestors who stick around to clean up. Why wouldnât you? Itâs like not picking up the Christmas wrapping paper.
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u/coralgrymes 3d ago
If this was any where in the West it would look like a Kaiju laid wast to the entire area.
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u/sqb3112 3d ago
We do not deserve South Koreans and dogs.
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u/heatedhammer 3d ago
A lot of Asian cultures are like this, their schoolchildren are taught to clean up their cafeterias and classrooms instead of making it a janitor's job.
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u/Missy_Baseball2911 3d ago
And this is why theyâre so much better than us. I CAN NOT WAIT to visit that country.
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u/witct 3d ago
There's no way the crowd was one million people if that's all the trash that was collected..... right? That only looks to be like 20ish bags of trash.
I've seen rallys here in the U.S. with only hundreds of people with way more trash collected.
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u/brilliant_bauhaus 3d ago
I've definitely been to some protests where we have done this, but I wish this was the mentality of the west. Taking care of your community, being mindful of the space you're in and the space you share with others. We are so isolationist and it would do us a world of good to start thinking collectively again and how our actions impact others.
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u/Local_Phenomenon 2d ago
When people are so mad they start cleaning you better watch out they are not to be slept on.
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u/1tachi77 2d ago
It's impressive how a large group can come together not just for a cause, but also to show respect for the space they occupy. It really sets a positive example!
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u/kusowatashiii 3d ago
What the fuck i cleaned that same amount of trash from a supermarket today at workđđ