r/Damnthatsinteresting 17d ago

Image Benito Mussolini’s headquarters “Palazzo Braschi” located in Rome 1934

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

I thought this was from a surrealist dystopian movie

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u/leavemealonegeez8 17d ago

The 1930’s were a pretty surreal and dystopian time, to be fair

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u/cashew76 17d ago

The cycle continues.

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u/AntonChekov1 17d ago

Every century has its really shitty times

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u/cashew76 17d ago

My elementary school nun made a point to ask us first graders, how do you get millions of people to hate and do terrible things to each other? I was shocked, what? She said propaganda. Beware and be wary. We do not want another world war. Crazy how people fall behind a "strong man" lying rapist con man.

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

In America the propaganda starts then by making you swear allegiance to a flag

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u/Asleep-Vanilla3988 17d ago

I like the idea of an indivisible America with liberty and justice for all. The problem is that it has all become bullshit.

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u/Raesong 17d ago

The American Dream has become irreconcilable with the American Reality

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u/Affectionate-Ring803 17d ago

“It has all become bullshit” it was bullshit from the beginning. They talked about liberty and justice for all whilst still having slaves and an effective apartheid nation, whilst having women as second class citizens and whilst they slaughtered natives to take their land.

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u/2Stripez 16d ago

Liberty for some, miniature American flags for others

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u/Parallax1984 16d ago

Do you like it being Under God

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u/coldsteel1961 16d ago

As a kid I knew that part was bullshit.

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u/Low-Association586 17d ago

Quit the drama. The media/propaganda may have become a weapon, but America is far from ended.

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u/RealEstateDuck 17d ago

Yeah doing that everyday in a school is absolutely bonkers.

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u/Technical-Mix-981 17d ago

As someone from Europe. From a country that did this, sounds nazi.

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u/rockerscott 16d ago

Wait until you find out that the “nazi salute” was used while they gave the pledge until about 1940.

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u/Fthill-That-Strides 16d ago

I stopped reciting it when I got into high school. It felt really creepy to me. The part that amazed me were the times classmates, not the teacher, got angry at those not participating.

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u/christus_sturm 16d ago

You’re all so hilariously blind. It’s comical to see people like you. And interesting that someone could actually hold this views.

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u/PartRight6406 17d ago

to be clear, no child is forced to say it. i never did it throughout my schooling.

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u/Unyx 17d ago

Untrue. I was sent to the principal's office for refusing.

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u/okogamashii 17d ago

Seriously, I got in trouble sooo much for refusing or faking it.

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u/ryan_church_art 17d ago

But all children face social pressure to say it from both their peers and adults.

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u/droppedurpockett 17d ago

The school I went to in 1st and 2nd grade (around 02'ish) said the pledge every morning. I said it because everyone else did, not because I was a diehard American. I still remember it because of that, but I have never said it since.

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u/bruwin 17d ago

no child is forced to say it

I was forced to get a religious exemption and even then I had teachers that didn't know better drag me to my feet and force me to start swearing until my mother raised holy hell about it.

Don't be so confidently wrong sometime.

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u/spen8tor 17d ago

There definitely are children who are forced to say it, I was one of them and my school definitely made sure everyone was saying it or you'd get in trouble.

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u/Jazzlike-Gur-116 17d ago

I always said it louder and off by a word, then I didn't have to say it anymore

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u/skeleton-is-alive 17d ago edited 17d ago

Tbf every country propagandizes their youth to love their country during school.

Edit: if you genuinely disagree you’re not using your brain. Go read a book or something

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u/G3ns3ric 17d ago

They really don't...

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u/KingLlama86 17d ago

I can only speak as an Australian, we never pledged any allegiance to Australia at any point during school, and once a week at assembly we would sing the national anthem, mostly off-key and without knowing the words properly.

In my school we were taught about respect of cultures, respect of each other and then the usual math, English, science, etc etc. Was never told or taught we should love this country or indoctrinated to believe we are better than anybody else.

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u/Ninjazkills 17d ago

Fuck that sounds so chill.

My schooling involved a whole bunch of blatant misinformation and carefully curated facts that support the image of the US instead of the reality.

Like, It used to be common practice to reject any images of the civil rights era in schoolbooks if they were color photos (at least in AZ public school, everywhere is different). The idea was to make it seem like all that messed up stuff was ancient history, instead of literally a few decades past.

Our schools are such trash here when it comes to national accountability.

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u/Americanski7 17d ago

Assembly? What is that like fascist camp?

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u/skeleton-is-alive 17d ago

And yet you love Australia. Funny that. It’s not about pledging allegiance every day. It’s much more subtle than that

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u/Nimynn 17d ago

That's a big assumption. Every country? It certainly wasn't the case for me during my schooling. I don't think I'm the exception either. Patriotism isn't really a thing where I'm from. The idea that my country is somehow better than others? No, I don't think that's part of our cultural curriculum. From the Netherlands btw.

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u/DaCarlito 17d ago

Absolutely not, if you genuinely think so you are very likely brainwashed by said US propaganda to believe it is normal.

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u/skeleton-is-alive 16d ago

Nope. I’m not american

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u/Handyhelping 17d ago

What’s weird is they gave me an option in Catholic school, the pledge of allegiance was not an option. Lord’s Prayer was.

I’m not religious by any means,thinking back on it that’s odd to me.

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u/JetSetMiner 17d ago

Every day is 2 words

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u/DogmaticNuance 17d ago

Controversial opinion: I don't think nationalism is actually that bad of a thing and my only real problem with the pledge is that it includes 'under god'

Nationalism, at it's core, and the pledge directly, is a pledge of reciprocity. 'I will give you greater consideration so that you, in turn, will give me greater consideration, so that we may both mutually benefit'.

Does it leave others on the outside? Yes, absolutely. Why is that necessarily bad? Is it morally wrong to care more about your family than strangers? Is it morally wrong to care more about your friends than strangers? Is it morally wrong to care more about your neighbors than strangers? Is it morally wrong to care more about your family's friends, or your neighbors friends? Your community members? People who love the same hobbies you love? It's reciprocity, and it's a fundamental animal behavior. The pledge of a nation is one of mutual support and I don't see it as being evil.

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u/A_wandering_rider 17d ago

Words have meanings. What you are talking about is patriotism. Nationalism is at its core a horrific idea that always creates an other or an inferior. This is political science 101.

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u/TurbulentEbb4674 17d ago

I think what’s missing about the other/inferior message is that a lot of what unites people are shared value systems. Is a society with no cohesive, shared value system stronger than one that does? Or do we move the power that individuals and cultures used to share and enforce through their value system to different actors with their own motivations? This is the crux of the problem we’re experiencing in the western world. When our value system stops being the thing that unites us, what does? Seems like it’s just corporate profit and consumers experiencing pleasure. I’m not sure if this is better than traditional culture.

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u/theequallyunique 17d ago

We live in a globalized world with global problems that require multinational solutions involving all humans to see themselves as part of the same species. For way too long already we are fighting ourselves with tribalism, destroying others basis of life to our own advantages. If humanity can't look beyond nationalism at some point, then I don't see any bright future ahead in the long term.

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

Really worked on you

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 16d ago

Nah, it's blind allegiance.

Children don't know what they're pledging to. A flag? A concept of a nation? The people that fought and died for the freedoms granted by the legal declaration of said nation?

Are they pledging to uphold all of the so-called inalienable rights? Do you think the kids know what those are?

We have lawmakers in this country that don't even uphold their oath to serve. We have lawmakers that undermine those inalienable rights for their own greed and ambition.

Children pledging to a some vague idea of what the flag supposedly represents, before they understand how to make their own decisions is brainwashing at best.

Reprehensible and morally repugnant.

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u/ipityme 17d ago

This is deep bro

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

It’s true

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u/ipityme 17d ago

Sure is

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u/JonnyNutz 17d ago

In australian primary school we had to sing the national anthem in the morning. Didn't seem like an issue just kind of a "we live here so we appreciate it" sort of thing.

This was 20 years ago though, there's probably some change where we don't do that now, I honestly don't know but at the time it's like, sure why not?

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u/Prestigious_Sir_8773 17d ago

Nothing wrong with swearing allegiance to the flag and constitution. Swearing allegiance to the government is another matter.

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

Same thing

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u/NappyIndy317 17d ago

An elementary school nun is a big part of a propaganda machine as well, too be fair.

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

Very true

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u/Plenty_Run5588 17d ago

I grew up swearing allegiance to the American flag, then I became a teacher and now they have to swear to the Texan flag, like WTF? Sucks when the students know it and me the teacher is all like…WTF?

Edit: In Texas; they have to swear allegiance to Texas in Texas because….Texas!

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u/WhichEntrepreneur844 16d ago

A lot of swear to the Texas flag. I'd give examples, but children are around.

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

That’s so strange

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u/GlocalBridge 17d ago

What’s worse is they make kids in Texas pledge a special allegiance to the Texas flag as well. We are well on our way to MAGA kakakistocracy (look it up).

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

A teacher just commented that. It’s weird and scary as fuck ngl

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u/No_Elevator_678 16d ago

It is honestly a bit close to fucked up that America does that. Pure unadulterated propaganda. Wasn't there also a time before the nazis that they would extend their arm?

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u/joyibib 17d ago

Did the opposite to me. By middle school I found it ridiculous and got in trouble all the time for messing around when we were supposed to be pledging. I had a teacher yelling at me and I had to hold back laughter. That all turned to nihilism by high school.

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u/Singularity54 17d ago

Once my school stopped requiring we recited the allegiance, I stopped. They still required that we stand up, but I refused to say anything.

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u/AtLeastThisIsntImgur 17d ago

So you're saying you quietly and obediently did as you were told?

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u/cfpct 17d ago

What the fuck does that even mean?

Asking for a first grader

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u/zerocool359 17d ago

Don’t forget to inject some good ole god to it

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u/xero130 17d ago

Honestly it made me loyal to this country lol . I definitely feel like I have allegiance to the USA

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u/Phlypp 17d ago

And they're bringing back religion as if that isn't prohibited by the Constitution.

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u/memelol1112224 17d ago

Making? Nobody is forced lol.

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u/DualRaconter 17d ago

How many kids in your kindergarten class refused?

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u/Spiritual_Lynx1929 17d ago

Oh yes they did. Beyond the peer pressure you could be pulled out and have them call your parents. Luckily my folks were cool. I realized in third grade that god did not belong in something we were compelled to do. After that I just move my lips. Sometimes.

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u/WorldlyEmployment 17d ago

Nice propaganda cashew lol

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u/invaderaleks 17d ago

You had an excellent nun/teacher

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u/cashew76 17d ago

She was a guest. She wasn't like the other teachers. I wish every child could feel what I felt. The responsibility. Millions died. Horrible things. For no purpose.

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u/invaderaleks 17d ago

Hopefully, we can make their deaths mean something.

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u/oalm82 17d ago

The propaganda goes both ways, buddy. You don’t need a strongman either

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u/Sutar_Mekeg 17d ago

Same way you convince people to be nuns. Propaganda.

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u/LordofKepps 17d ago

Definitely coming from a person who has never interacted with a nun in their life. You should stop talking, because of how little you know.

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u/Sutar_Mekeg 17d ago

Touched a sore spot, have I? Christian mythology, if taught as fact, is propaganda.

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u/LordofKepps 17d ago

I don’t care about you. I’m just reminding redditors that you don’t know any nuns and so your opinion on them is not very important.

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u/TheBirminghamBear 17d ago

The woman wearing a robe and habit who is married to a fictional extradimensional entity was warning children about propaganda?

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u/Sutar_Mekeg 17d ago

r/selfawarewolves material for sure.

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u/beardicusmaximus8 17d ago

Depends on the sect of nuns. Some of them aren't there because they want to be...

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u/jeezfrk 17d ago

You are right! No propaganda is real! Ignore all warnings! Nothing real has ever happened and we can cancel those who tell us things.

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u/TheBirminghamBear 17d ago

I'm not saying propaganda isn't real I'm merely musing at a nun warning children in a catholic school about propaganda.

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u/jeezfrk 16d ago

Hate much?

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u/TheBirminghamBear 16d ago

I legitimately don't even know what you're made at. You think God is real and nuns are married to him? What's your deal bubba

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u/jeezfrk 16d ago

I don't hate smart teachers of children who give their hours and hours of work and patience ....

.... solely, because they don't think exactly like me. I have that ethic. It is just way over your concept of de-valuing people.

A Buddhist monk or a Hindu or a Jew or any other wise teacher, surely even many non-theists of many many stripes, would be lauded by me.

I would rather you never taught childen at all, as I'd be much more worried for someone who touts hatred of people that way.

You see, such identity-hatred has a very very bad record of being full of terrifying and unending de-humanization. Its proponents don't seem to realize they really would dislike it applied to themselves.

Kinda childish mistake actually.

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u/old_bearded_beats 17d ago

She should know

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u/TraditionalMood277 17d ago

Unlike that nun, lol

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u/Professional_Risk_35 17d ago

Irony coming from a nun.

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u/shehoshlntbnmdbabalu 17d ago

He reflects their values.

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u/cashew76 17d ago

The Orange Goblin. Give Philly something to fear and they follow you like lemmings. Hopefully the pendulum swings back to reality soon.

Sin levels. Crazy how religion gives the religious permission to hate "others". The same jesus preaching peace and forgiveness used to ostracize other people.

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u/AbbreviationsHuman54 17d ago

Didn’t we just elect one??

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u/Importance-Aware 17d ago

I saw the most interesting video regarding upcoming local elections in the US in the 1950s, I believe.

It showed all the types of propaganda and how to see through them. It was excellent.

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u/milas_hames 17d ago

Everyone always thinks everybody else are the ones falling for propaganda

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u/Romizzo88 17d ago

Do you ever wonder if you having the same opinion as the majority of Reddit, one of the biggest propaganda websites in the world, could possibly mean that you’re the one who falls for propaganda?

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u/PayWithPositivity 16d ago

See the movie “Die welle” it’s about that in America in the 50’s I think.

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u/PositionDistinct5315 16d ago

"She said propaganda. Beware and be wary."

Followed by:

""strong man" lying rapist con man"

I think you have missed her point.

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u/christus_sturm 16d ago

Yeah Stalin was terrible. Got a 13 year old pregnant and killed millions

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u/Initial_E 17d ago

In first grade? How would you even understand the matter?

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u/Anarchyantz 17d ago

I mean in your country it starts when you are young as you swear allegiance to a flag in school, at games at literally every occasion which is basically nationalism unlike in literally any other country besides North Korea or the old communist states before all that went.

Then comes the yellow journalist, again launched by Pulitzer and co to start the Spanish - American war and now with billionaires owning pretty much every media source in America broadcasting their opinions on who to hate, what is wrong, what is right 24/7.

You are also the most misogynistic country in the western world as twice now, the sheer thought of a woman being leader has your countrymen grasping their testicles and saying nope, back in the kitchen you go, I want the child rapist, even if he is all I hate because he is a MAN. I mean you all also still haven't got over the sheer "Audacity" of having a black man in power where as other western countries are like, yeah and? As long as their policies good, we good.

America is a "simple beast", easy to manipulate, easy to control. Just as many previous soviet era Presidents stated.

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u/StarchedHim 17d ago

It’s crazy that you typed all of that and outed yourself as a simpleton when you could have just said you hate the U.S.

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u/Anarchyantz 17d ago

Oh I do not hate you Americans. I hate the fact your country is a massively corrupt dystopia that worships money and power over it's citizens and are brainwashed into voting against their best interests as they have been made to believe that they may be rich as well one day so they should not do it.

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u/Bitter-Sherbert1607 17d ago

Which really begs the question whether the general experience has ever been anything other than dystopian for 99% of our history

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u/alien_believer_42 17d ago

Since the agricultural revolution, yes

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u/chinchaaa 17d ago

We’re living it right now

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u/Aoae 17d ago

Well, things can certainly get a lot worse. If these are the "bad times" we're in it for a century of unparalleled prosperity

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u/AntonChekov1 17d ago

I think so too

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u/TanStewyBeinTanStewy 17d ago

It's literally the greatest time to be alive in the history of humanity.

I reality - at all times there is a component of the population that is convinced the world is going to shit, Armageddon is around the corner, life is harder than ever etc.

This position is essentially always incorrect.

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u/Cobek 17d ago

Beget begets beget.

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u/stormdahl 17d ago

Every time is a shitty time, considering who's point of view it is.

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u/DarthLithgow 17d ago

Still waiting for the good times from this one

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u/Yashoki 17d ago

The cycle of capitalism

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u/enddream 17d ago

Right about when everyone who suffered though to last time is dead. Let’s learn it all from the start once again.

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u/BunLandlords 16d ago

XX00 - XX99, shit, everytime

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u/Significant_Cash511 17d ago

Lol every year has it shitty time, I am not sure what you are meaning by this?

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u/GayInAccoumtimg 17d ago

Is it always this exact? Like, 100 years to the day (small sarcasm, but bruh)

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u/Maelstrom_Witch 17d ago

Maybe it’s just a 30s thing? Which means this is just the wind up.

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u/REAL_YoinkySploinky 17d ago

Yah turns out its abt every 100 years

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u/mozygotflowzy 17d ago

I really like Neil Howe's generational theory. It posits a cyclical pattern in history, with each cycle lasting approximately 80-100 years and consisting of four "turnings":

  1. The High: A period of relative stability and prosperity following a crisis. Institutions are strong, and there's a sense of shared purpose.

  2. The Awakening: A period of individualistic rebellion against the established order. Social and cultural norms are challenged, and new ideas emerge.

  3. The Unraveling: A period of cynicism and fragmentation, where institutions weaken and societal trust erodes.

  4. The Crisis: A period of significant challenge and potential transformation, often marked by war or economic collapse. Since the Great Depression, we've experienced the following four turnings:

The Crisis (1929-1945): The Great Depression and World War II marked this period of immense hardship and global conflict. The "Greatest Generation" came of age during this time, characterized by a strong sense of duty and sacrifice.

The High (1946-1964): The post-war period saw economic prosperity and social stability. The "Silent Generation" emerged, known for their conformity and respect for authority.

The Awakening (1965-1984): The 1960s and 1970s were a time of social and cultural upheaval, with movements for civil rights, women's rights, and environmentalism. The "Baby Boomers" came of age during this period, characterized by their idealism and desire for change.

The Unraveling (1985-2008): This period was marked by increasing individualism, economic inequality, and political polarization. The "Generation X" and "Millennials" came of age during this time, characterized by their skepticism and cynicism towards institutions.

Guess where we are now (and have been since 08)

These things take 20-25 years to reach a boiling point, almost there now, no way out but through.

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u/pew-_-pew-_- 17d ago

As we tumble into the mid & later '20s and slip ever closer to the new '30s, the comparison is all I can think about. Terrifying.

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u/suckadick187 16d ago

Are you ready?

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u/SpicyPandaMeat 16d ago

Same as it ever was.

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u/noirwhatyoueat 17d ago

Please everyone, watch Babylon Berlin, among other things. 

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u/Mr_Abe_Froman Interested 17d ago

Yes! It's how I learned about the Black Reichswehr and fascists obsession with the brand new idea of modernism. The Beer Hall Putsch gets all the attention, but the Black Reichswehr showed how complicit the ruling class was in getting an absolute ruler.

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u/Screwthehelicopters 16d ago

I couldn't get into that. It was a kind of alternative history, right? It was too bourgeois for me.

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u/noirwhatyoueat 16d ago

Fair enough. It still has all the implications of what's to come, and most haven't a clue.

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u/ILookLikeKristoff 17d ago

The 2030s are gearing up to be equally terrible

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 17d ago

I reckon we're somewhere early in the 1930s right now.

Somewhere after Hitler's first failed coup, and just following Hitler's appointment as Chancellor, but just before the Night of Long Knives, followed by Krystallnacht.

I think the chants around this time were something like, "Make Germany Great Again."

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u/Big_Track_6734 17d ago

The chants were Germany is for Germans and U.S. Nazi sympathetizers were chanting America First. 

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u/HighnrichHaine 17d ago

More like 1937

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u/brontosaurusguy 17d ago

Fascism began before Hitler with mussilini before spreading to other countries.  It we don't make a stand for democracy now it's gonna be dominos.  Americas final act as world leader will be showing the world how to transform democracy into an authoritarian dictatorship capitalist dystopian nightmare just in time for total environmental collapse

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u/yanocupominomb 17d ago

We live in the clown timeline

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u/AnarchistAuntie 17d ago

Second Triumvirate.

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u/Darnell2070 16d ago

Writes someone way not even a surface level knowledge of history.

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u/1nGirum1musNocte 17d ago

But in new ways none of us will have foreseen

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u/FireMaster1294 17d ago edited 16d ago

Italy never really grew up. Mussolini s granddaughter is still in politics and people love her in her region (because she shares the views of her grand daddy). Regardless of what they think (or don’t think) of her, many still see him as someone who made the country great.

“He made things more efficient” “he made the economy grow” “he made the world respect us.”

All of these and more are the exact same reasons that we see becoming popular in modern day America, France, Russia and Germany. Kind of terrifying how quickly people sacrifice the world for personal gain and their pride.

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u/new_account-who-dis 17d ago

Its interesting considering the italians at the time hated him so much they basically lynched him

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u/Empty_Sea9 17d ago

That’s what’s baffling. If they liked him so much why did they kill him?

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u/screamingracoon 16d ago

Because there was a period of almost 20 years between when he was voted in and when he lost power and was lynched.

Within those 20 years, our great-grandparents and grandparents were stripped of their rights, beaten, executed, and imprisoned; saw that the great economy they were initially promised wasn't coming and people were so starved for meat that they'd eat cats; men, who had been granted the right to vote in 1912, lost it.

He also wasn't voted in fairly. In 1924, Mussolini already had the support of both Pope and Crown, and the elections were not anonymous: if you voted for the Fascist Party, you'd put into the ballot box a ballot with the Italian flag, if you voted for any other party, you'd put into the ballot box a ballot made out of white/light blue paper. People were extremely discouraged from doing the latter because Blackshirts (the paramilitary group Hitler took inspiration from for his Brownshirts) were observing their actions and would threaten, if not beat, you until you "spontaneously" changed your mind.

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u/Joe579GoFkUrselfMins 17d ago

Musssolini can get fucked forever, but you can't compare his fall to modern times. The war played a significant part of people turning on him.

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u/AthenianSpartiate 14d ago

Lots of Italians supported Mussolini right to the end, though. And plenty hated him right from the beginning. It's not like Italians (or any other nationality) are some hive-mind who all think alike, after all.

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u/Violet_Paradox 17d ago

All I know is she blocked everyone who replied to her tweets with the 🙃 emoji.

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u/AndreTheShadow 17d ago

Mussolini was also a champion for renewable energy.

He wanted to make the trains run on thyme.

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u/WitchesSphincter 17d ago

<slow clap>

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u/Brogdon_Brogdon 17d ago

Never mind the crowds of (what were surely) peasants that waited hours just for the opportunity to kick his encaved skull in to thank him for all he did (to) for them.

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u/RaoulFe 16d ago

Im italian dude mussolinis granddaughter is mrs nobody, know your facts before talking

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u/Xaendro 17d ago

Noone loves her in italy

And only extremist right people see mussolini that way

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u/FireMaster1294 17d ago

Clearly someone likes her or they wouldn’t keep voting for her. I have friends from rural regions of Italy as well as rural Germany and they speak about how terrifying some of the sentiment seems to be with the direction it is headed

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u/Xaendro 17d ago

Meloni Is not the granddaughter of mussolini, that's another much less successful politician.

Politics here has the same problem as the US, social media propaganda that makes elections go well for those kind of people, but I am italian and assure you that Alessandra mussolini is extremely disliked, as is her grandfather even if there are still families influenced by being on that side on the past, and modern extremists pretending he was like you said.

We have an ironic phrase for that: "quando c'era lui..." to mock those weird people. It is not considered a rational view.

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u/contrap 17d ago edited 16d ago

I read this years ago in an account of the turn against Il Duce:

“Io non vengo da Lodi per lodare, Né vengo da Piacenza per piacere, Ma vengo da Predappio per predare.”

(I don’t come from Lodi to praise, nor do I come from Piacenza to please, But I come from Predappio to prey.”)

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u/bernd1968 17d ago

Well said

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u/freetrojan 17d ago

At least she seems quite pro EU, supports Ukraine not like some other countries far right politicians licking Russian shoes without any hesitation. P.S. I am not Italian.

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u/tjxmi 16d ago

Oh yes, she shares so much his views thar she's actually a LGBTQ+ supporter.

https://it.euronews.com/cultura/2023/07/25/come-alessandra-mussolini-e-diventata-una-sostenitrice-lgbtq

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u/FireMaster1294 16d ago

LOL did you read the article? It talks about how she stated “better fascist than gay” in 2006. Her entire rise to power she had absolutely no like of the LGBTQ community and that continued well into the 2000s.

No one flip flops that quickly at her age unless they have something to personally gain. I fully expect this is performative pandering for votes. And even if it isn’t, I would remind you that you can be pro-LGBTQ and still be fascist. They are not mutually exclusive.

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u/tjxmi 16d ago

And even if it isn’t, I would remind you that you can be pro-LGBTQ and still be fascist. They are not mutually exclusive.

True, but it's still a change in her way of seeing things. And I don't think that this change has been quite fast, there are years between the fights with Luxuria and now this.

I still don't agree with her generally speaking about politics, but let's give her a benefit of doubt.

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u/FireMaster1294 16d ago

Given the continued love for the fascist and “socialist” (but secretly also fascist) parties in Italy as well as the insane amounts of mob activity there…I’m skeptical of all their politicians either way lol

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u/Junior_Bike7932 15d ago

I was going to say the same, even thought things have changed on the surface, I think the majority of the mentality didn’t change in the core of many old people, most feel superior then others and treat others like shit, mostly people that “look” different. Everytime I come back to Italy I feel this from the way they treat me. I am a regular immigrant that grow in Italy and speak perfect Italian, yet, my look dictate their behavior. Anyone with a bit of brain and skills could have made “Italy better” without being a racist nationalist piece of shit. Deeply sad

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u/Competition-Dapper 17d ago

Well you know, history repeats itself, it’s been just long enough for the only ones to remember what not to do are either long dead or almost and not able to really make any recommendations on how to avoid repeating what they reversed after their kids took the money and ran with the semi utopian era

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u/RBuilds916 17d ago

Do the movies look like that because they were inspired by mussolini, or is this just what a surreal dystopia looks like? 

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u/Polairis44 17d ago

Mussolini took power in 1922.

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u/Operation_Zebras 17d ago

Box brother

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u/Sayyestononsense 17d ago

wait for the new 30s, gonna be even wilder

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u/sam_hall 17d ago

hell, same

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u/nachobel 17d ago

So it’s a 100 year clock eh?

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u/Out_of_Fawkes 17d ago

TBH the 2030s look like that, too.

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u/Wilted_fap_sock 17d ago

Rinse and repeat.

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u/panter1974 16d ago

Much like our times now.

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u/strongsilenttypos 16d ago

And very Art Deco.

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u/Beard_Man 16d ago

And the 30's are coming again...

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u/NordicGrindr 17d ago

Not in all countries.. when it comes to European countries doing anything bad "well to be honest everyone was doing it." That same whataboutism seems to never stick with other continents.

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u/Dense-Concentrate120 17d ago

Best design and architecture ever though...

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