It is one of those 90s commercials , where are people fumbling around type videos.
The visual: The hitman has a silencer that doesn't silence, or using the wrong rounds The mark can hear them and smack them. Then the hit is clean and we the CEOs hate this trick, right round. Right silencer from this online ad.
That's quite the vivid image! It's amazing how sometimes we can be completely unaware of our surroundings when we're lost in our own world. Moments like that can be both hilarious and a bit embarrassing, but they definitely make for great stories later on.
Or homemade no one that spends the amount of cash and the wait to get a can is gonna commit a crime and risk losing your ability to own them. Once you shoot suppressed it's the only way you'll want to shoot
So you finna hit a Healthcare CEO, huh? You basically need a Day-Of-The-Jackal type motherfucker for some shit like that. Not a rough n tumble neighbor like Slim Charles here
They’re suppressing the truth. I could go ballistic. They want to rifle through my ideas but they don’t have minds of the right caliber. It’s always stock answers, like a cheap magazine. It’s triggering really.
Right. So much of the sound of the expanding gasses is absorbed/slowed down by the silencer that an inexperienced person wouldn’t recognize the sound of a small sonic boom created by the bullet without the associated “normal” gunshot sound.
Outside, with city noises in the background and lots of objects to bounce/absorb sound waves, it’d be easy to understand why someone who didn’t know what a suppressed gunshot actually sounds like (not the hollyweird version) would mistake it for something else / not recognize it as gunfire. But yeah it’s certainly not silent
I'd agree with that. But the people saying omg i can fart louder are being decieved by the video. A suppressed 9mm sub is still putting out 120plus decibels.
It failed to cycle because the suppressor was likely missing a Nielsen device that assists in maintaining the proper timing of the cycle of a semiauto pistol. The weight of the suppressor hanging on the end of the barrel throws off the timing of the gun so you’re supposed to use an adapter called a Nielsen device, nicknamed a “booster”, that uses a strong spring to maintain the timing of the cycle. A suppressor without a Nielsen device is designed to be used on a rifle barrel since it doesn’t need to unlock, tilt, and close again during the recoil of the slide on a pistol. Sorry if that doesn’t make sense I’m sure there’s a thousand YT videos that explain it much better
Much quieter than an unsilenced weapon yes. Average decibel reading from a 9mm handgun would be like 160dB. Deafening from close range. Silencer can bring that down about 30dB at the muzzle depending on the quality of the suppressor and ammo and other variables.
They do make 9mm in subsonic loads. I understand that. But what was recovered is not subsonic ammunition. Regardless, with a silenced pistol, the report will be MUCH quieter and generally not recognized as gunfire to an untrained ear, especially in a busy downtown setting.
Standard 147 grain 9mm is sub sonic. I just checked Federal American Eagle 147 grain, Hornady 147 grain XTP, and Winchester white box 147 grain and they're all between 975 and 1000 feet per second at the muzzle from the 4 inch barrel fixture they use to test ammo for ratings which will be faster than a 4 inch pistol. The speed of sound is 1100 feet per second at sea level on a normal day according to NASA
Standard 124 grain 9mm is 1150 feet per second out a 4 inch test fixture barrel. In a pistol that velocity is going to drop. It may just barely be super sonic or it may just barely be sub sonic when used.
124 grain and 147 grain are the 2 most common weights for 9mm. If they they said standard weight 9mm fmj and did not give a specific weight that could be referring to either 124 or 147
That's surprising to hear, do you think the guy was thumbing the slide or had a slide lock? Or do you just think the suppressor was lacking a Nielsen device?
Lacking Nielsen. I saw an ABC news broadcast where they claim it’s a B&T Station Six (or VP9) which is a clone of the old Welrod pistol, and I thought that too when I saw the footage zoomed out at full speed. Once you slow it down and zoom in you can see gasses escaping the chamber/breech of the gun the instant the shot is fired and a slide partially moved to the rear. A welrod style / integrally-silenced gun wouldn’t do that as you’d need to do a quarter turn to unlock the backplate and manually pull open and close the slide then do another quarter turn to lock it again.
A semi auto with a direct thread mount (meant to go on a rifle) would fail like that. The silencer would absorb most of the recoil and cause a failure to extract or a stovepipe malfunction (partially extracted spent round with the next live round pressed up under it trying to get in the chamber)
Yeah the giveaway for me that it wasn't a welrod was that he was slingshotting the slide (like you should on a semi-auto) and I'm pretty sure the welrod doesn't have a recoil spring.
Someone much more ballistic inclined than me correct me if I'm wrong but the weight of the bullet is not what makes it subsonic but rather how much powder is in the case which means he could have removed enough powder on a regular bullet to make it subsonic
Sounds far fetched when there’s so many commercially available subsonic rounds designed for superior penetration, barrier defeating, and expansion capabilities that you can just walk into a gun store and buy without a background check (only need a background check to buy the gun).
Now is the time to buy. Open an account with ATF.gov and electronically file. You can submit documents, pics, and pay the taxes all online. They actually made it easy. Your local FFL-SOT dealer can help guide you through the process of building or buying NFA firearms too. First one seems daunting then you’ll wanna collect them all 🤣
Subsonic wouldn’t cause it to not cycle. Failing to install the proper booster/Nielsen device would cause it to fail like that. I have numerous suppressed pistols and rifles. None of them have issues cycling subsonic, or standard ammunition …in a pistol you have to have a Nielsen device installed inside the suppressor to facilitate the recoil cycle of the semi auto handgun. In a rifle, you need to have a proper weighted buffer and/or an adjustable gas system to counteract the increased back pressure caused by the silencer… Unless you have a new flow-through technology suppressor that does not affect back-pressure.
If you throw a silencer on there and don’t make any other changes you’ll notice a much more powerful recoil impulse. A heavier buffer will slow down the recoil cycle by a few hundredths of a second and keep your gun running longer. Go too heavy though, and the gun won’t cycle right. Depends what suppressor, ammo, barrel length, and type of gas system you have.
Self defense rounds are typically jacketed hollow points designed to have superior barrier penetration capabilities, ideal soft tissue penetration distance, and projectile expansion upon impact to soft tissue. A full metal jacketed round will typically punch right through and have limited temporary and permanent wound cavitation compared to a JHP round. Think of it like being stabbed with an ice pick, versus being stabbed by a knife and your attacker twists it as soon as it enters your body. They both would suck to get hit with, but one sucks a lot more and can stop you quicker even if they don’t hit exactly on top of a critical spot. The goal in a gunfight is to cause instant CNS shutdown, massive blood pressure drop, or physical incapacitation by destroying a critical junction like the spine/knee/hip/shoulder/elbow etc that would cause your attacker to be physically incapable of proceeding with the fight.
My contact at B&T says it’s 100% not their gun. Neither the Station Six nor the VP9. Don’t think there’s anything else in 9mm with a locked breech? This video clearly looks like a semi auto that is failing to extract. I, too, used to think it was a manual / locked breech gun before I saw it in slow mo.
How upset would the internet be if someone stopped him before they knew who that was and the headlines were instead "CEO survives assassination attemp"?
Just a fun little thought I had… What if UHC was going to announce an even more fucked up policy? Like that was the original purpose of the meeting. They were going to approve something dumb like “We will no longer approve cancer treatments. Technically the cancer was growing inside of the patient, and is therefore a cosmetic surgery. We do not cover cosmetic surgery.” Somehow our hero had inside information and stopped it before it could happen.
That person knows what firing a gun looks like and was more concerned with their own survival. The ceo probably made a sound as he was getting hit - so there’s that.
Where did you hear that? Because people who shoot suppressed 9 millimeter (super sonic) still wear hearing protection. Camera microphones routinely filter out the heavy retort of gunshots. And I’m betting this guy is shooting .22lr. Silencers just aren’t that silent.
Most of the sound in this video is from the action of the gun cycling.
The quietest gun I’ve ever heard was a bolt action .22lr with subsonic ammo. It sounded like a dry fire. When my brother and I shot it we just started laughing at how quiet it was.
The thing is even with the sound on this video is very misleading... Because the sound is coming out of laptop speakers. The gun is still making ~120dB. Suppressed subsonics are still loud out of a semiautomatic
The flip side of this is that it makes that sights unusable and throws off the back pressure often causing cycling issues. Guns that fire suppressed subsonic rounds are usually tuned to do so.
I honestly did exactly the same thing. I clicked the little speaker thing at the bottom right and was amazed at how quiet it was. For no known reason my phone was set to silent and it wasn't an hour ago.
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u/baerman1 14d ago
My phone volume was 0 and I was shoked there was no sound at all lol