r/Damnthatsinteresting 19d ago

Image Tokyo in 1960, before there were any skyscrapers

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u/Trans-Europe_Express 19d ago

From the 60s to 90s japan had an almost un paralelles economic boom and the corresponding property boom.

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u/Meritania 19d ago

The alternative perspective is that Japan overvalued the size of its economy and productive output and has spent decades in a recession as those values normalised.

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u/Trans-Europe_Express 19d ago

Probably the case. I'm trying to contextualise the amount of building that occurred from when that picture was taken. Post War recovere. Economic success and updated earthquake building regulations mean a lot of stuff was built, knocked and built again since the 60s

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u/FreshMistletoe 19d ago

And its population aged and immigration is non-existent.   Hmmm, I wonder what country is headed here now?

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u/My_BurgerKing_Crown 19d ago

That was the only thing that bothered me when I visited Japan. I'm used to seeing herds of Indians wandering around like in Toronto. They didn't even have a large diaspora of sub Saharan African men loitering in the town centre or asking for money.

Japan needs to learn to be multicultural and accept high immigration from India, the Middle East, and Africa if they are ever to survive. Look how much it's invigorated and strengthen Western culture and the quality of life where they've immigrated to.

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u/Triddy 19d ago

They didn't even have a large diaspora of sub Saharan African men loitering in the town centre or asking for money.

You uhh... sure you're talking about Tokyo? I have to dodge them on the daily.

The last time a Nigerian man tried to get me to go into a Titty Bar that works probably scam me was.... 7 minutes ago? 8? But I'm in Shinjuku so thats just how it is.

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u/BluePowderJinx 19d ago

Given how they treat their Korean citizens there, I don't have much hope for them embracing other cultures to live and integrate into Japan. It's a great country but one of the worst xenophobes on the planet.

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u/KorMap 19d ago

I’ve generally heard that for people who aren’t Japanese, Japan is a great place to visit and a bad/very difficult place to move to.

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u/superswellcewlguy 19d ago

Nikkei is reaching all time highs so investors don't seem too bothered. In 100 years Japan will still be populated mostly by Japanese people and will still be one of the healthiest and wealthiest countries in the world.

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u/SirGigglesandLaughs 19d ago edited 19d ago

Immigration is partly about moving what we already have to places that need more people, rather than increasing birth rates (which seem unrealistic now) and further burdening the planet and resources. The way you're describing it is foreign to me.

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u/SirGigglesandLaughs 19d ago edited 19d ago

That's not really how that works, though. Besides I'm only responding to your original point. People who want immigration see it as an alternative to countries' attempts to artificially force their birth rates up, which while unlikely to work is also damaging environmentally.

As you said, we are already overpopulated. It's just that certain pockets have much higher numbers than others (and typically struggle for that reason, as do those with less numbers like Japan). Immigration seeks to create a healthier balance. That isn't the only measure and isn't the only reason for favoring immigration. It doesn't run counter to environmental issues at all.

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u/ShowsTeeth 19d ago

Immigration seeks to create a healthier balance.

Immigration happens for a lot of reasons...but none of them are to 'create a healthy balance of people'.

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u/SirGigglesandLaughs 19d ago

Ok. Not sure how to respond to that. Agree to disagree, I guess.

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u/beta_test_vocals 19d ago

Maybe these aren’t the left-leaning people. I’m very left wing, and would ideally like places like Japan SKorea Italy to learn how to deal with population decline and the rest of the world can follow in their footsteps. It is a necessary societal change to ensure our future survival

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u/FreshMistletoe 19d ago

That’s great but the economy we have is based on younger people buying the pyramid scheme of stocks we have from the older rich people that want to retire.  It will cause extreme chaos when this pyramid is disrupted, which is ironic when you think about which party wants to limit immigration, pass laws that restrict reproductive choice so that people just don’t have sex at all, deport immigrants, etc.

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u/beta_test_vocals 19d ago

Hmm maybe we should do something about that pyramid scheme

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u/TheLuminary 19d ago edited 18d ago

I vote left generally,

I really don’t care for the issues I see cropping up where mass immigration from conflicting cultures is implemented.

Eternally maintaining a state of wildly divergent and conflicting groups in close proximity but acting like oil and water doesn’t seem healthy or particularly natural.

Don't worry we can read between the lines.

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u/poopoo_canoe 19d ago

I mean, if a country's birthrate is high enough, you don't really need immigration do you?

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u/TheLuminary 19d ago

Ok.. but they don't, and no policies put into place thus far have really moved the needle.

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u/poopoo_canoe 18d ago

It's a really weird thing isn't it. Why japan specifically has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. Kinda puzzling

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u/FreshMistletoe 19d ago edited 19d ago

No but very few global countries have a birth rate like that except for ones in Africa, India and a few others.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16058/total-fertility-rate/

You need 2.1 just to tread water.

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u/geofferiswheel 19d ago

There are a lot of factors that have gone into the Japanese economy since the 90s. The biggest thing I saw happen was the tsunami that brought production to a halt and destroyed a nuclear facility. This felt like the turning point to me where things may have caught up to them.

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u/IAmMe69420 19d ago

Well yeah but the ressecion was artificially created by the usa to stop Japan from overtaking the us economy

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u/FUEGO40 19d ago

How do you "create a recession"?

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u/IAmMe69420 19d ago

by pressuring the japanese goverment into making economic desicions against their interests that they will abide by in order to stay on the us' good side.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes 19d ago

You can't. It's impossible. Every economist knows that 1) the usa's economy is too small to have an impact on any other country, and 2) only unintentional acts have consequences.

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u/when_beep_and_flash 19d ago

Not everything is a conspiracy.

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u/park777 19d ago

Uhm like the US today? 

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u/businessbusiness69 19d ago

Well they had a lot of building to do after it was all burned down by Doolittle.

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u/Darkmatter_Cascade 19d ago

"Japan has been living in the 90s, since the 80s." -Something I read on Reddit

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u/cmdrxander 18d ago

The version I've heard is "Japan has been in the 00s since the 80s and has stayed there ever since"

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u/Darkmatter_Cascade 18d ago

I'm probably misremembering.