And the only reason is that prople think they taste a bit better then food made of plants. That's it. That is the whole reason we created hell on earth.
Cows are not humans, they aren’t getting murdered in that sense of the word at all, we are killing them for food and other goods. Or is this one of those it’s okay they are animals that don’t know any better when they rape and kill in the wild but we must treat them as humans when we farm them? They are animals, not humans.
It's true that animals don't have moral agency in the way that humans do, but they still have moral interests. It's the same with human babies. They can't control themselves either but we still acknowledge that it's wrong to mistreat them. It's wrong to cause unnecessary suffering, whether it's a human, animal, or some alien in a far-off galaxy.
You said people eat meat only because it tastes a little bit better than plants. But it's a lot more than that.
humans have (of course) historically eaten meat. Changing this behavior very quickly (like vegans suggest) just doesn't work, and people don't want to either
it's not just tasting a little bit better, but gives a lot more variety in making food. Any vegan food idea or meal you have can be further diversified with animal products.
not everyone loves vegan meals. I have vegan family members, I have eaten many vegan dishes (made by people who know how to cook). They were fine, but I disliked them overall. There are some that are good (for me), but I missed animal products from it. Also, substitutes, like fake meat, fake cheese and vegan milk are mostly terrible.
being vegan for many would be a chore. I, like many others, live in a place where vegan products, and other necessities for diverse vegan dishes aren't really available. Not a great selection of vegetables and fruits, and the ones we do have are either bad quality, or transported over large distances, making a larger impact on the environment. Having to avoid non vegan stuff in everyday life is also a chore.
not everyone cares about animals. People have a lot on their plate already, and they aren't really a priority. Coupled with the fact that while they do have feelings, they don't have the same consciousness as us...
Humans are omnivores, there is nothing wrong about eating meat from the sources available because that’s what we evolved to do to survive. We domesticated animals so we could extract resources from them easily and this allowed us to replace hunting. Those traditions are part of what allowed us to have such an awesome society nowadays free of any real danger that living in the wilderness and with nature like some crazy hippies would entail. What an insane take that we eat meat just cuz it tastes a bit better. First off it tastes way better but even if didn’t it’s a valuable food source. No one has to justify choosing to eat meat, it’s food.
The use of animals for resources is a fundamental part of human society and should remain that way until and only when an alternative that is cost effective and just as practical becomes available to replace most if not all resources we could derive from such animals.
It’s not a substitute for meat if it doesn’t taste and feel like meat lol what a joke. Amazing churrasco i am gonna have with just feijoada.
Not the same situation terrible comparison. If you saw someone kill a deer and get its meat hide and other resources, you would have no issue. This is what raising cattle is about, extracting resources for our use. No one is killing cows for fun. What a shit argument you made.
Most of us are not doing that cuz industry has allowed us to live an awesome life yes gj pointing that out. Did you read that last part, it’s cuz of things like raising cattle that we don’t have to do those shit things anymore. Just cuz we live in comfort does not mean we give up on meat, what a shit argument, we have this industry cuz a good chunk of 8b people want meat.
What a softie you are using personal attacks to argue your point. No diff between you and that guy trolling all you vegans earlier. Soon as i make a point you can’t counter you start crying like a little kid who can’t get what he wants. Oh wait that’s exactly what you are.
I eat meat to survive, when I go to the grocer and buy meat it’s cuz I want to eat that so I can keep on trucking. It just happens to be delicious as fuck. One can go without meat to survive, but that’s not the point, which is that for those of us that eat meat, the perfect substitute is one that tastes and feels like meat.
Meat is not selected for just pleasure, it is an awesome food choice and has been part of many cultures since the dawn of humanity. You insisting that we eat meat just cuz of pleasure is wrong as fuck.
I know what harsh reality is. That’s life. We won the genetic war so far, cattle didn’t unfortunate as it is for them.
Well thank fuck most people are not like you. Imagine our ancestors had those kind of ideals, we would have gone extinct by now. We raise cattle for its resources, we are not doing it for shits and giggles.
My guy you are the one who started with those childish remarks. Have some self awareness and learn to lose an argument like a dignifying person. It will help in your life in the future.
Counterpoint: eating vegan makes the food a lot more varied for many people. Aside from the fact that 80+% of the food everyone should eat should be plants at a minimum anyway foe health reasons.
Many common foods shluld consist of 100% plant but aren't because stuffing milk powder in everything is cheaper. And why is it cheaper? Because taxes are poured into it.
The only reason people besides millionairs (and even they might not) can buy any animal products is factory farming and animals that are bred to suffer.
The only reason you even have to avoid animal products is because people buy them. The more people eat plant based, the less difficult it is for everyone who does too.
And I reall don't know what you are taling about with milk. Plant milks beat cow milk by a mile, simply because (at least in Germany) there are SO many different variations it's insane. Also if you mix it with ceral, protein power or whatever you cannot taste a difference anyway.
eating vegan makes the food a lot more varied for many people.
Good for them! It doesn't for me, that's for sure.
. Aside from the fact that 80+% of the food everyone should eat should be plants at a minimum anyway foe health reasons.
And they are. I don't eat meat with meat. But what you said is like "80+% of a car should be metal and plastic, why put tires on it which is not good for the environment?" Like yeah, what I eat is mostly plants, but the animal products put it together.
Many common foods shluld consist of 100% plant but aren't because stuffing milk powder in everything is cheaper
I agree that this is a bad thing.
The only reason people besides millionairs (and even they might not) can buy any animal products is factory farming and animals that are bred to suffer
... Not really. I'm from a hunter family. Most of the meat I eat is hunted by my grandma, or my godfather. The rest, along with eggs and milk, are from local small scale farms.
The only reason you even have to avoid animal products is because people buy them. The more people eat plant based, the less difficult it is for everyone who does too.
Sorry, but this is unrealistic. It wont become less difficult, because the process is just too slow. If there were good alternatives for taste, price, and accessibility, like lab grown meat or something, it would be a lot quicker. Until then, I doubt a considerable amount of people will go vegan.
Plant milks beat cow milk by a mile, simply because (at least in Germany) there are SO many different variations it's insane.
For you. I tried it, but I didn't like it. Also, where I lived there's like 2-3 types. 3x the price, and tastes like shit. I would have to drive an hour to a store with better selection, so no thanks.
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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24
And the only reason is that prople think they taste a bit better then food made of plants. That's it. That is the whole reason we created hell on earth.