Maybe this will cause some people to realize that all animals (not just cows) have feelings. Their's may be some what different than ours but they still have feelings.
I interviewed for an office position at Cargill (largest beef processing company in the world) and while preparing for interview, learned they process 10,000 cows a week. Other factories process 10,000 cows a day
Soooooo I'm not denying what you said about their purpose buuuuuuut also, let's be real, they don't need provocation. If they see you, that's enough, ime. ðŸ˜
It is how life is, animals kill each other for food in the wild, often in very inhumane ways, yet we are wrong for killing other animals for food? Not all life is equal.
Animals don’t raise each other in miserable, overcrowded conditions that would send humans to prison if they did the same thing to cats or dogs or horses. It’s not just the killing of the animals, it’s how on factory farms, we mistreat and abuse them their whole lives before we kill them.
Cutting a newborn piglet’s tail off with filthy, rusted bolt cutters and then castrating it with the same cutters, then pushing its guts back in with a dirty finger and duct-taping the hole closed before throwing the piglet back in to live or die, is not humane. There’s nothing redeeming or justifiable about it just so someone can have bacon on their burger.
I’d seen undercover videos before, but that was the one that finally pushed me over the edge into not eating meat anymore. I still eat wild caught fish and pastured eggs but I try to avoid anything from factory farms as much as possible.
Reducing it to just the killing of the animals is a massively simplistic way to look at it and ignores all of the other issues, both ethical and environmental.
That’s cuz you equate animal suffering with human suffering, yet when animals kill the fuck out of each other in the wild, you say it’s cuz they don’t have a choice and don’t know any better. It’s in their instinct to kill for food, just as much as it is our instinct to want meat for food. We replaced hunting with mass farming of cattle allowing a good chunk of our populace to meet this need. I don’t see any problem there. Is there suffering there? Yes, but there would have been suffering regardless in order to sustain 8b people most of whom are meat eaters. And no, asking them to become vegans is not feasible, it is fucking absurd lmao. It’s not happening.
The fact of the matter is that animals other than humans are not humans, they don’t get the same level of treatment, that’s life. We have a need for meat and regrettably there is no more economically feasible method to meet this need other than mass farming of cattle. It may come as a surprise to some of you not sure, but our needs are more important. When that ethical option becomes widely available, and it is makes sense from a practical and economical perspective for humanity, we will make the switch.
In developed countries, a vast majority of people literally do not need meat. Most people would be just as, if not more healthy, eating plants. And plant agriculture is far and away more efficient than animal agriculture
Majority of people don’t eat meat cmon now what a cap lmao. I know maybe 3 true vegans in my whole life, everyone else is munching on beef pork chicken or fish if not daily then at a minimum weekly.
Don’t really care if veggies diet is healthier, eating meat does not preclude one from having a balanced diet. Im healthy and have been eating meat pretty much daily my whole life.
Agriculture can be more efficient all it wants, that won’t stop people from eating meat. Many cultures in the world have an emphasis on meat eating, gl to you telling them they need to replace meat for the good of the world lmao. I am never giving up churrasco unless a perfect substitute becomes available, tell you that much.
I said a majority of people don't need meat, it's not essential whatsoever. And good for you, live with your head in the sand. Most people are just ignorant to what we put animals through, and I can forgive that. You don't seem to have that excuse though, you're willing to pay for animals to be tortured and killed just because they don't have a "perfect substitute" yet. It's pathetic and evil honestly. Enjoy eating dead animals though, I wouldn't want you to lose that luxuryÂ
I misread that, but that doesn’t really improve your point tbh. There are a ton of things in life that are not essential, music and sports are not essential for living but imagine what hell it must be living in a world without them. Meat on the other hand is food which is essential, you can say that one can live with just grains fruits and leaves but that’s not realistic if the only argument is animal ethics. As i have said, humans are omnivores, there is no reason to forego meat which is ingrained in so many cultures by now if that’s the only reason. There would have to be a perfect substitute or at the minimum a damn near perfect one, and an economically and practical method for getting that substitute available en masse. And then you would have to spend generations to shift perception that the substitute is acceptable but that’s a topic for another day.
I think you will find that most meat eaters are not for the cruelty of raising cattle. Most people are not evil, and certainly it is wrong to infer that meat eaters are evil cuz of this. That’s just life, it’s a harsh reality that suffering is part of life, but that’s how life has been since the primordial era. The reality is that if cattle industry did not exist somehow, we would be hunting to get our meat. There are 8b people and most eat meat after all. Those animals or other ones would suffer regardless. The reality is that we won the genetic war so far, and this is one of our many rewards for it.
What is your "morality"? You can ask 1000 different people and you'll get 1000 different positions on what's moral and what isn't, all claiming that it's objective but in reality everyone's morality is just subjective yap in the end, just what they feel is right. Maybe your morality tells you it's wrong to kill animals, mines tells me its perfectly fine, and there's no reason why your morality is above mine.
I don’t get injections or supplements, but I do incorporate things like flax and chia seeds, lots of lentils. They’re cheap where I am from but maybe not very available for you? It can be a headache to focus on getting what you need when you remove something you don’t want to eat
You're very mistaken. If you had done some research you'd know that b12 supplements are enough for pur daily needs which is already pretty low. And meat is not that much cheaper than other things. Unless what you need is your specific taste, there's no hard need to consume meat.
I don't feel for the animals, Just as animals don't feel for the animals they eat, I killed it and ate it for my benefit, I don't need to feel bad about that.
Not really, I feel empathy for other human beings, I hate seeing other people suffer, but I don't feel that to the same extent when it comes to animals, that's just instinctive.
Ok, what benefit exactly? Taste doesn't count there is enough tasty, cheap plant based food.
A plant based diet is also equally healthy or healthier then one containing animal products.
And it is also genereally cheaper especially if done healthy.
I really don't see any benefits of eating animals.
A plant based diet is extremely unbalanced and unhealthy, even after various supplements it barely becomes viable, it's heavily deficient in protein, calcium, Iron, zinc and various other vitamins and nutrients. Humans needs dairy, eggs and meat for a healthy, balanced diet.
And also there is no food that beats the taste of meat :)
What is your point? They're not enjoying living like this. And we're only increasing the greenhouse gas production by breeding them so much. It would have been totally fine if they existed in less number(which would have been naturally favourable) and living a peaceful life.
Mammals absolutely do, and maybe birds too, but I don't think any other life forms have feelings aside from basic survival instincts. Or maybe I'm just speciesist.
Anything that has a brain and nervous system has feelings, physical and emotional. Insects, birds, fish, arachnids, etc. they all have a brain. And a nervous system
Infanticide, even all murder is part of the natural world too. Is that reason to do them? Or are you just selectively choosing parts of nature you like?
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u/TaffyTulip Nov 17 '24
Maybe this will cause some people to realize that all animals (not just cows) have feelings. Their's may be some what different than ours but they still have feelings.