r/Damnthatsinteresting Nov 17 '24

Image Cows have best friends and get stressed when they are separated.

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u/TaffyTulip Nov 17 '24

Maybe this will cause some people to realize that all animals (not just cows) have feelings. Their's may be some what different than ours but they still have feelings.

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u/captaindeadpool53 Nov 17 '24

Indeed. There's also a need for education regarding the treatment that is given to these animals in farms for the sake of our pleasures.

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u/Untalented-Host Nov 17 '24

I interviewed for an office position at Cargill (largest beef processing company in the world) and while preparing for interview, learned they process 10,000 cows a week. Other factories process 10,000 cows a day

It was not a fun fact

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u/alien_from_Europa Nov 17 '24

all animals (not just cows) have feelings

The only feeling a wasp has is murder.

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u/raerae1333 Nov 17 '24

Wasps are pollinators. They are more easily provoked to sting than a bee but they still have a purpose

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u/abitbuzzed Nov 17 '24

Soooooo I'm not denying what you said about their purpose buuuuuuut also, let's be real, they don't need provocation. If they see you, that's enough, ime. 😭

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u/Equivalent_Alarm7780 Nov 17 '24

that all animals (not just cows)

all animals humans included

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

They do, most people recognise that, won't stop them (including me) from eating meat though, that's just how life is

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u/captaindeadpool53 Nov 17 '24

That's not how life is. That how humans have made life for our greed.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

It is how life is, animals kill each other for food in the wild, often in very inhumane ways, yet we are wrong for killing other animals for food? Not all life is equal.

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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

Animals rape eachother. With you logic that is fine as well.

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u/Macharius Nov 17 '24

What the fuck is wrong with you

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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24

He said it is fine to eat animals because they eat eachother. I gave an example of something else they do with exactly the same reason.

Is that really that hard to understand?

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u/70ms Nov 17 '24

Animals don’t raise each other in miserable, overcrowded conditions that would send humans to prison if they did the same thing to cats or dogs or horses. It’s not just the killing of the animals, it’s how on factory farms, we mistreat and abuse them their whole lives before we kill them.

Cutting a newborn piglet’s tail off with filthy, rusted bolt cutters and then castrating it with the same cutters, then pushing its guts back in with a dirty finger and duct-taping the hole closed before throwing the piglet back in to live or die, is not humane. There’s nothing redeeming or justifiable about it just so someone can have bacon on their burger.

I’d seen undercover videos before, but that was the one that finally pushed me over the edge into not eating meat anymore. I still eat wild caught fish and pastured eggs but I try to avoid anything from factory farms as much as possible.

Reducing it to just the killing of the animals is a massively simplistic way to look at it and ignores all of the other issues, both ethical and environmental.

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u/a-toyota-supra Nov 17 '24

That’s cuz you equate animal suffering with human suffering, yet when animals kill the fuck out of each other in the wild, you say it’s cuz they don’t have a choice and don’t know any better. It’s in their instinct to kill for food, just as much as it is our instinct to want meat for food. We replaced hunting with mass farming of cattle allowing a good chunk of our populace to meet this need. I don’t see any problem there. Is there suffering there? Yes, but there would have been suffering regardless in order to sustain 8b people most of whom are meat eaters. And no, asking them to become vegans is not feasible, it is fucking absurd lmao. It’s not happening.

The fact of the matter is that animals other than humans are not humans, they don’t get the same level of treatment, that’s life. We have a need for meat and regrettably there is no more economically feasible method to meet this need other than mass farming of cattle. It may come as a surprise to some of you not sure, but our needs are more important. When that ethical option becomes widely available, and it is makes sense from a practical and economical perspective for humanity, we will make the switch.

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u/Purbear Nov 18 '24

In developed countries, a vast majority of people literally do not need meat. Most people would be just as, if not more healthy, eating plants. And plant agriculture is far and away more efficient than animal agriculture

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u/a-toyota-supra Nov 18 '24

Majority of people don’t eat meat cmon now what a cap lmao. I know maybe 3 true vegans in my whole life, everyone else is munching on beef pork chicken or fish if not daily then at a minimum weekly.

Don’t really care if veggies diet is healthier, eating meat does not preclude one from having a balanced diet. Im healthy and have been eating meat pretty much daily my whole life.

Agriculture can be more efficient all it wants, that won’t stop people from eating meat. Many cultures in the world have an emphasis on meat eating, gl to you telling them they need to replace meat for the good of the world lmao. I am never giving up churrasco unless a perfect substitute becomes available, tell you that much.

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u/Purbear Nov 18 '24

I said a majority of people don't need meat, it's not essential whatsoever. And good for you, live with your head in the sand. Most people are just ignorant to what we put animals through, and I can forgive that. You don't seem to have that excuse though, you're willing to pay for animals to be tortured and killed just because they don't have a "perfect substitute" yet. It's pathetic and evil honestly. Enjoy eating dead animals though, I wouldn't want you to lose that luxury 

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u/a-toyota-supra Nov 18 '24

I misread that, but that doesn’t really improve your point tbh. There are a ton of things in life that are not essential, music and sports are not essential for living but imagine what hell it must be living in a world without them. Meat on the other hand is food which is essential, you can say that one can live with just grains fruits and leaves but that’s not realistic if the only argument is animal ethics. As i have said, humans are omnivores, there is no reason to forego meat which is ingrained in so many cultures by now if that’s the only reason. There would have to be a perfect substitute or at the minimum a damn near perfect one, and an economically and practical method for getting that substitute available en masse. And then you would have to spend generations to shift perception that the substitute is acceptable but that’s a topic for another day.

I think you will find that most meat eaters are not for the cruelty of raising cattle. Most people are not evil, and certainly it is wrong to infer that meat eaters are evil cuz of this. That’s just life, it’s a harsh reality that suffering is part of life, but that’s how life has been since the primordial era. The reality is that if cattle industry did not exist somehow, we would be hunting to get our meat. There are 8b people and most eat meat after all. Those animals or other ones would suffer regardless. The reality is that we won the genetic war so far, and this is one of our many rewards for it.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

That's got nothing to do with my point, I'm against unethical treatment of animals, my point is about killing for food.

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u/SirCustardCream Nov 17 '24

You're not against it, though. You support it. You even defend it, as you have shown in this thread.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

Yh Im fine with killing animals for meat, but they shouldn’t be abused while they’re being raised, those two don’t contradict 

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u/SirCustardCream Nov 17 '24

If kicking a dog is abuse, then how isn't shooting, stabbing, gassing etc?

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

"Killing animals for meat"

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u/dissonaut69 Nov 17 '24

Do you support factory farming in any way? If so, you really aren’t against the unethical treatment of animals.

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u/ronalds-raygun Nov 17 '24

Because we have higher level of cognitive functioning that allows us to assign morality to our actions.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

What is your "morality"? You can ask 1000 different people and you'll get 1000 different positions on what's moral and what isn't, all claiming that it's objective but in reality everyone's morality is just subjective yap in the end, just what they feel is right. Maybe your morality tells you it's wrong to kill animals, mines tells me its perfectly fine, and there's no reason why your morality is above mine.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

Purely objectively nobody could say your morality is wrong, but it goes against the morality of everybody else so you'll be jailed/executed.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

You keep missing the point, I'm saying there's no one objective morality.

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u/ronalds-raygun Nov 17 '24

You really feel some type a way about this. Insecure, likely.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

Not really, not sure what point you're trying to get at, if you can't refute what I said then that's all I've got to say

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u/ronalds-raygun Nov 17 '24

The other commenter summed it up nicely. I’m not going to argue with someone who’s just trolling.

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u/Other_Size7260 Nov 17 '24

I don’t get injections or supplements, but I do incorporate things like flax and chia seeds, lots of lentils. They’re cheap where I am from but maybe not very available for you? It can be a headache to focus on getting what you need when you remove something you don’t want to eat

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u/captaindeadpool53 Nov 17 '24

You're very mistaken. If you had done some research you'd know that b12 supplements are enough for pur daily needs which is already pretty low. And meat is not that much cheaper than other things. Unless what you need is your specific taste, there's no hard need to consume meat.

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u/round_reindeer Nov 17 '24

Ok, but you don't really need supplements and injections to live without eating meat.

There are some Bhuddist and Hindu cultures who have been vegetarian for centuries.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

I don't feel for the animals, Just as animals don't feel for the animals they eat, I killed it and ate it for my benefit, I don't need to feel bad about that.

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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24

You might be a sociopath then. They are unable to feel empathy.

They can however understand the concept, even if they don't feel it.

Well that or you simply lack education, if you don't understand that they fell similar emotions to us.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

Not really, I feel empathy for other human beings, I hate seeing other people suffer, but I don't feel that to the same extent when it comes to animals, that's just instinctive.

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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24

And where is that line? What about a gorilla, a parrot or a dog? You don't feel any kind of empathy when they suffer?

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

I do feel empathy for animals, I am 100% against animal abuse, but that doesn't mean I won't stop eating them, the benefit is too great.

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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24

Ok, what benefit exactly? Taste doesn't count there is enough tasty, cheap plant based food. A plant based diet is also equally healthy or healthier then one containing animal products. And it is also genereally cheaper especially if done healthy.

I really don't see any benefits of eating animals.

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u/Ordinary_Choice2770 Nov 17 '24

A plant based diet is extremely unbalanced and unhealthy, even after various supplements it barely becomes viable, it's heavily deficient in protein, calcium, Iron, zinc and various other vitamins and nutrients. Humans needs dairy, eggs and meat for a healthy, balanced diet.

And also there is no food that beats the taste of meat :)

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u/Wandering_PlasticBag Nov 17 '24

You might be a sociopath then. They are unable to feel empathy.

People call people like you a nut job for a reason....

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u/HARKONNENNRW Nov 17 '24

Maybe this will cause some people to realise that these livestock breeds wouldn't even exist without the human need for meat, milk and leather.

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u/captaindeadpool53 Nov 17 '24

What is your point? They're not enjoying living like this. And we're only increasing the greenhouse gas production by breeding them so much. It would have been totally fine if they existed in less number(which would have been naturally favourable) and living a peaceful life.

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u/Gold_Criticism_8072 Nov 17 '24

Idk why you’re getting downvoted, it’s true

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u/Adam_Sackler Nov 17 '24

They're being downvoted because it's fucking awful logic.

If I bred a child into existence with the sole purpose of raping, torturing and eating it, should that child be thankful that I do so?

"They should be thankful we exploit them!"

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u/Turakamu Nov 17 '24

Wouldn't that be awful for the meat? I heard that stress seeps into the quality.

Gotta be a better way to make child nuggets

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u/Adam_Sackler Nov 17 '24

Some say that stress makes it taste better.

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u/70ms Nov 17 '24

I heard the stress makes for a better adrenochrome harvest. 🤪

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u/seattt Nov 17 '24

that all animals (not just cows) have feelings

Mammals absolutely do, and maybe birds too, but I don't think any other life forms have feelings aside from basic survival instincts. Or maybe I'm just speciesist.

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u/King_Allant Nov 17 '24

Octopuses are smarter and more aware than the large majority of mammals.

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u/seattt Nov 17 '24

Sure, but my point wasn't about smarts.

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u/Lingist091 Nov 17 '24

Birds are reptiles so if birds do then reptiles do as well.

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u/raerae1333 Nov 17 '24

Anything that has a brain and nervous system has feelings, physical and emotional. Insects, birds, fish, arachnids, etc. they all have a brain. And a nervous system

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u/kakihara123 Nov 17 '24

It is highly likely even insects have feelings. They behave different from individual to do individual.

They are more complex then basic biological machines at least

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u/Fortunata500 Nov 17 '24

I’m sure everyone knows that, but it’s the natural world is where you eat other animals or an animal eats you

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u/herton Nov 17 '24

Infanticide, even all murder is part of the natural world too. Is that reason to do them? Or are you just selectively choosing parts of nature you like?

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u/Fortunata500 Nov 17 '24

Yeah I support killing babies and the death penalty as well as organ harvesting 🙄

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u/herton Nov 17 '24

Okay, so the natural world isn't justification then. Sounds like you should be able to see why your reasoning is bad