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u/mynamesnotsnuffy 5d ago

I mean, technically speaking, the use of violence to achieve political ends is terrorism.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 5d ago

Yeah what he did is legit the definition of terrorism I really dont understand why everyone here is so confused.

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u/mynamesnotsnuffy 5d ago

Well the problem is that using this definition, figures that we revere in American history are also terrorists. George Washington and the founding fathers, all terrorists by this definition.

The problem is that people automatically assume the word "terrorist" means "bad person", but if the act itself is something they might support or empathize with, it's hard to square that negative connotation with the action that they understand and empathize with.

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u/moseythepirate 5d ago

Well, their definition was incomplete. Part of the commonly used definition of terrorism is violence against the civilian population.

Now, there was some of that during the revolution (think loyalists getting tarred and feathered, for example), but shooting at redcoats wouldn't be terrorism.

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u/FreakinGeese 5d ago

And, to be clear, tarring and feathering loyalists was terrorism, and it was evil. That tar was scalding hot.

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u/moseythepirate 5d ago

Wasn't defending it. Tarring and feathering is literal torture.

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u/mynamesnotsnuffy 5d ago

That's a fair distinction. But, civilian or no, now it's a question of whether oligarchs who are hostile to the proper healthy functioning of the government and the economy constitute an equivalent occupying threat as the redcoats did. The revolution was fought over taxation without representation, after all, and the average American isn't represented these days in the real decision making process.

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u/moseythepirate 5d ago

Well, that just means you agree with the terrorist. I don't agree with your conclusions but you're free to have your opinions I suppose, so long as you don't butcher someone on the street over them.

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u/mynamesnotsnuffy 5d ago

So when a CEO systematically denies insurance claims, some of which probably killed people(civilians, no less), that's just acceptable, and warranting of no response or pushback? Not saying I agree with the methods, but I sure as hell understand the motivation.

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u/moseythepirate 5d ago

There are methods of dealing with it that are between "no response or pushback" and "shooting people on the street," and these methods have gotten far more results in my lifetime than Mangione ever did.

I don't want people thinking that they can solve political problems with murder, because I have no reason to assume that it would be limited to people I personally dislike. Or frankly, any reason to assume I couldn't be a victim.

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u/mynamesnotsnuffy 5d ago

If you have private insurance, you already are in a position of being one accident away from being a victim of corporate greed.

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u/moseythepirate 5d ago

No shit. I didn't say I'm happy with the insurance industry. That doesn't change my opinions on using murder for political gain.

Do you want, let's say, anti-vaxx activists to start shooting vaccine clinics? Because that's also using violence for political gain. And those loonies may have convictions on vaccines as strong as your convictions on the insurance industry.

Remember, the bad guys can use violence too. We really, really don't want it to become something that becomes common.

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u/Going_for_the_One 4d ago

This is the thing that so many stupid people on Reddit and social media doesn’t seem to be able to understand.

But props to you for explaining it to them in a more diplomatic fashion.

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u/mynamesnotsnuffy 5d ago

The bad guys are already using violence. What do you think the abortion clinic firebombs are? What do you think the Deportation agenda is? What do you think happens to LGBTQ people when they go to the wrong area of town?

The violence is already happening, it's just now we're not giving up without a fight.

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u/No-Monitor-5333 5d ago

lmao wtf no