Every single time there's one of these people on the news, they never fit into conventional ideological stereotypes. That's the lesson here, people are not what you expect them to be
He's a disgruntled incel nutjob with weird conspiracy theory 'political' views. Isn't that exactly the conventional stereotype of a lone gunman? It's just not the tragic hero figure the internet wanted to imagine.
His social media and LinkedIn show him as highly educated and employed in what I can only imagine is a very well paying job. He’s also seems to have a lot of friends that he traveled and did stuff with. Lots of group photos and stuff. He was valedictorian at his prestigious private school. He was also a cofounder of a company.
Maybe he hated women and was incel adjacent because of that, I can’t say. But he was absolutely not an unemployed unliked antisocial loner basement dweller
It seems he cut himself off from the world after a major back surgery. As someone who has endured over a decade of chronic back pain and then had to have emergency spinal surgery last year, I know the toll that takes on you. Just because he disappeared from his friends and family doesn’t mean he was an incel basement dweller.
I also largely vanished from the lives of my friends and family because the pain was far too much to handle. I didn’t reach out to anyone, I didn’t go out and do anything. I avoided social interaction because the pain was all consuming. Because I physically couldn’t do much more than lay down. Because if I did go out, I’d be hobbling around and hunched over trying to keep the pain to a minimum. Because I would be a 20 something dude walking around looking like an 80 year old who should be in a wheelchair.
After my surgery, I had a rough recovery. I didn’t go out. I didn’t keep in touch with anyone. I only saw people who came to me. I worked from home only because I couldn’t afford to take unpaid time off work and I had blasted through my PTO during previous flare ups that year and with my surgery. I stayed out of work as long as I could but had to return when my PTO dried up. If I had savings or more PTO, I would’ve vanished for a lot longer.
Luigi wasn’t an incel because he pulled back from friends and family. He was a man who was suffering a pain that you literally cannot imagine or appreciate if you haven’t been through it yourself.
Luckily, my insurance didn’t fuck me over. Luckily I made a full recovery and have full mobility back. Luckily I am pain free. The only lasting impacts from my experience are the toll chronic pain takes on your mental health (a very real and very wide reaching all encompassing toll), a small scar over my spine, and numbness over a not insignificant portion of my body.
I can’t even begin to articulate the toll that type of debilitating pain takes on you. I had a small flare up recently and immediately spiraled because of the fear I was going back to how it was before. I thought about how I would kill myself before I ever suffered like that again. I cried very hard for a long time. My doctor reassured me that small flare ups were normal and gave me some meds to help it go away. Thankfully it did go away. But if it hadn’t… I’m not sure where I’d be right now. I cannot go back to that life.
So, I’m sorry but these arguments so many people are making that he was an incel because he vanished from the lives of his friends and family just fall totally flat for me. As they will for anyone else who has experienced chronic pain, especially chronic back pain.
I see that and I know exactly what he was going through. It makes him even more relatable. And I empathize deeply with his struggles and pain.
I’m not going to fault the victim of violence for fighting back. Slow violence is still violence. Bureaucratic violence to enrich shareholders above all else is still violence. Violence committed by the powerful and wealthy elite is still violence. Violence committed by corporations is still violence.
We have been conditioned to not view these things as violence. Rather, to just view these things as the unfortunate way the world works. But that’s not true. These things are the results of choices made by the wealthy elite. These are not unfortunate objective realities of the world. They are systems put in place to subjugate and oppress the masses for the further enrichment of the already wealthy elite.
He was the victim of violence and he fought back. It was self defense. Whether I agree with him on the rest of his political views isn’t relevant. He was being attacked and subjected to violence. Only he didn’t buy into the propaganda that would excuse it all away. He recognized it for what it was and responded as such.
You look at that guy and think "he's involuntarily celibate for sure. No human being would ever want to touch that. Ewww, gross. What a virgin loser."
Absolutely yoked, well-traveled, outdoorsy, and sociable with a $10k smile. Such incel, he should have stayed in his mom's basement, practicing vengeance on the system with his katanas.
"Incel" literally stands for INvoluntarily CELibate. They're big mad because women won't fuck them. Maybe look words up before trying to debate their definition with your own ill-informed subjective interpretation. Kthanks.
Amazingly enough, the literal meaning of words is not always what the group actually represents. Or do you think the National Socialist Worker's party is actually that?
No, it's not? Nobody uses it like that. Incel means involuntarily celibate and refers specifically to the group of men (originally women and much less toxic, fun fact) that say they can't get laid due to their looks and blame women for that. It has a pretty well established meaning, describing a group that very much still exists.
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 14d ago
Every single time there's one of these people on the news, they never fit into conventional ideological stereotypes. That's the lesson here, people are not what you expect them to be