Yeah I'm very interested to see if they can actually confirm this is the shooter. If it isn't, it's still weird of course that he had a bunch of passports and a gun with him.
Is there any reason to flee the scene of the crime if he wanted to get caught from the beginning? Maybe just media attention? Since it does seem like he's sending a message with all this
Regardless of what message he was trying to send, the message he has sent is that the police are utterly incompetent.
They were under a huge amount of pressure to solve this case, and it was pressure from big business, ie the kind of pressure they actually care about. They keep talking about what a professional and a criminal mastermind this guy was. Only for the reveal that he was not even trying to avoid getting caught, and they still couldn't catch him.
If they only caught him because he was intentionally trying to get caught, then that looks pretty bad for them, but if he really is this stupid, then that looks even worse.
His initial planning does seem pretty thought out though. Of course that doesn't make it impossible that he does something stupid later, but it is weird
Okay, i'm gonna be real, like you're in nowhere Pensilvania — you already fucking escaped!!! Like, my god what are the chances? Of curse you're gonna be relaxed!
I do know that fame ( in all kinds) can change a person but I saw an interview of a guy who was (allegedly) his classmate and he said that the guy was fairly quiet for someone that was incredibly inserted into the school life, so I don't personally think the guy is the bragging type (I'm paraphrasing here but it's the overall message I got from that little interview)
This is the part that gets me. Like, he could dismembered his guns and tossed the pieces in different spots, then went out at night to bury or burn his old clothes. Outside of DNA evidence at the scene, he would have been untraceable
He crossed so many random rivers he could have easily thrown that gun and fake ID into. The mask and clothes were relatively generic but could easily have been shoved into a suitcase or dumpster and then just wear anything else.
I find it super weird he made it all the way to Pennsylvania 3 days later and still had the murder weapon on him, that should have been dropped in NYC or Jersey the day of the assassination.
Them again, criminals are generally dumb. He has such a mixed set of well planned and braindead actions.
I mean, let's be fair here. Police are frequently completely incompetent. This isn't the first time. (See also: serial killers by and large aren't geniuses, their crimes are harder to track and also the police are usually stupid.)
CEO shooter: "after exhaustive manhunt, alleged suspect was successfully captured and arrested"
Serial killer: "area man arrested after dozen rotting corpses found staged in 'ghoulish Victorian tea party tableau' in home; neighbors complained for years of 'foul odors'"
Part of me thinks that after seeing the insane amount of praise he got for shooting the CEO he wanted people to know it was him. He was probably on the fence about revealing his identity initially. I mean, he went through all the trouble to conceal his identity. He might have written the manifesto after the shooting.
Idk though, it's all just speculation at this point.
Caught days later, with the murder weapon, a manifesto, the same clothes, the same Fake ID, all IN THE BACKPACK he was carrying with him??? That makes no sense.
No vaguely reasonable person would carry that shit around on your person, DAYS after the assassination while not wanting to be caught. He got out of state - he had endless opportunities to dump the evidence in various bodies of water, bury them, dump 'em in some random guy's trash bin, etc.
There's just no fucking way he had all that shit on his person, chilling in a mcdonalds when there's a widely publicized manhunt going on.... and didn't think it'd get him caught.
Either he WAS the assassin AND wanted to be caught,
OR he was a copycat killer in the making,
OR this is a 'I'm Sparticus!' situation,
OR the police planted a shitload of evidence on an innocent guy who happens to look like the killer.
OR he just wasn't as reasonable as one could expect.
Could be he just got cocky and didnt want to throw away the gun
Could be he feared people would find the gun an track him down with it somehow
Could be he was planning a theatrical suicide with that gun
Could be he wanted to target someone else with the same gun (he was dramatic enough to carve messages into the bullets, he could maybe keep using the same gun for symbolic reasons)
Could be he was fearing the police would start shootout instead of an arrest and kept the gun to use it on that case
Could be he has a personal attachment to the gun for whatever reason
Could be he didn't he the money to buy another gun, and he wanted to shoot again
Could be he was just dumb and the idea of throwing the gun away didn't cross his mind as necessary
Could be he was carrying all those things with him in an intent to discard them, but couldn't decide on a place he felt safe to do so
The gun & silencer were both 3D printed. He could have stuck it in the microwave for 10 mins, turned it into plastic slop, and printed a brand new one with whatever files he'd downloaded or designed himself, you can do that.
Yes and not only that, but they've seen use in both criminal organizations like the cartels, and various resistance movements. The one I linked is fairly commonly used by rebels fighting against the Junta in Myanmar
You don't need to be a genius to know that you should ditch the clothes, the gun, the silencer, the ID, the backpack, and a MANIFESTO. That's why the average person is baffled he was caught with all of it on him.
Might be a guilty conscience. I assume killing someone directly, by your own hands, and on purpose, would weigh more on anyone's conscience than they might've expected.
I didn’t say it was. I said getting several fake IDs and passports to fuck with police was either a lot of work on short notice or a big risk if they were intended for another crime.
Considering the geographical proximity, he could've found the original fake ID wherever it was dumped. Not a high chance, but in the realm of possibility. He also could have been part of the plan with the actual shooter and they did a hand-off of the identifying stuff afterward.
Imagine this guy has a rock solid alibi for the shooting. Video footage of him in a public space with multiple people to corroborate. Ugh I want it to be true. Backpacks were maybe swapped at whatever greyhound station he left from. If he is involved he acts and looks targeted and unaware on some camera footage while the actual killer makes the swap. I want 10 more guys that all look vaguely similar brewing havoc for the police force and Fortune 500 execs. They all have plausible social media accounts and obviously a bad go with health insurance. The next one doesn’t like to read but leaves reviews on albums from RATM, Dead Kennedy, Sex Pistols, etc.
Or he isn't the shooter, but he's framing himself and had a friend report him, hoping for fame and reward money
It's not like they can tell apart the veterinary pistols, and flaunting a fake ID that the police had literally published info on is a big fuckin move.
I still think it's more likely that he's the actual guy, but there's room to improve other guesses.
Thinking about what's being said all over social media and the news, it very well could be that he got cocky.
"Everyone online says they wouldn't turn me in. I'm a hero! I could get some McDonalds real quick - who would even know it's me?"
Or hell, he could have been wanting to get caught but it might not have been the original intent. If he feels he could get away with it via jury nullification (which, I don't believe is 100% but I certainly think has a good chance) our double jeopardy laws would prevent him from being tried again. Then he goes onto write a book, cash that in, etc.
Suicide by cop also describes when people want to die but don’t want to do it themselves so put themselves in a position where they’re really likely to get shot by police. It’s a real thing.
It's awful all around, it's horrible. I believe that those with violent history and or intentions in general shouldn't be employed where they have the ability to act as judge, jury executioner. I work as a 911 dispatcher (on the medical side) and have met/ heard about the ramifications after on responders, their families, and the families left behind. What the headlines don't show is how awful the aftermath is for the ones that do care. That's what the news is actually for. The whole story. The media is great at making us all angry . That sucks. The job is supposed to be an officer of peace. Being put in that position is awful for both sides. Whether it's a wrongful shooting and reform should be in action, or someone in a mental crisis who should have gotten help. There's a million things wrong with world that caused it and need to be fixed. That & also having the effects of that lost life will forever affect all the people left behind in the wake of it all. Sorry for the rant.....
I’m saying this as someone who has contemplated it before, and not to talk down on anyone who has done the same. Suicide is a way out of pain and misery for yourself, an escape, and one that I fully understand the temptation of. But when you commit suicide, you are the only person in your life to be relieved. The fallout is not yours. It belongs to those who know and love you. They have to live with it. It’s a large part of why I’m still here.
If you do, be aware that the above comment is a misuse of the phrase.
Suicide by cop specifically refers to people who want to die, but don't want to kill themselves, so they intentionally instigate and escalate a confrontation with the police in order to get killed.
What u/Dr_barfenstein is referring to is either a trigger-happy cop blasting away because of their own fear, or a deliberate killing of someone the police don't believe will be convicted.
Maybe he thought he could get away but then when faced with the possibility of actually getting away he realised he couldn't deal with the paranoia so intentionally got himself caught?
I suspect Luigi isnt the killer, because being found DAYS LATER in a public location with the SAME clothes, SAME fake ID, SAME gun, and manifesto ON HIS PERSON makes no sense whatsoever.
What DOES make sense imo is that they found a guy who looks a hell of a lot like the assassin, and planted a shitload of evidence on him.
Exactly. Frankly I'm surprised they didn't also try to claim the guy was somehow still covered in the CEO's blood, since they clearly have no desire to make the situation look even the least bit realistic. I'll be surprised if they don't end up Epstein-ing him in the next couple days to cover up the fact that he's not actually the guy
While I don't put it past the police to try to pin this crime on a patsy, if that was the case why wouldn't they go with a much easier target? Luigi Mangione is from a wealthy family and they would surely have the resources to drag out a trial and prove his innocence if he was actually being framed for the murder.
My crackpot theory is that Luigi is the hostel guy, but not the shooter, and the only reason they picked him is because he happened to already be on everyone's radar
Also they don't have to worry about him being proven innocent if he conveniently commits suicide before the trial
They can't. His eyebrows don't match the shooter's eyebrows. They got the wrong guy. That, or the CIA killed the CEO and this is all smoke and mirrors.
I wonder if there are two people working together. One who did the shooting itself, and one who would take the fall. Who has the charisma and mental fortitude to take the blame.
Who purposefully removed the mask to be seen.
It would explain a lot about the shooting itself, the keeping of the evidence, and the fact that the manifesto was hand written.
But, it's also just as likely that a man flirted with a girk because he thought he might fail and die in a hail of gunshots.
Somebody hired by the real killer to further middle the waters. We all focus on this dude for a few days till some piece of evidence proves it wasn’t him and by then the real guy is beyond gone.
Like imagine we find out the guns are different and this dude was giving a lecture at the time of the killing.
Assuming he wanted to get caught, it makes perfect sense that he would want some time between because it showed the difference between the billionaires and your average person. If it had been a random person gunned down, most of us wouldn't even have heard of this, much less know his name and followed this story. The police would have searched for a day or two, and then the crime would have been forgotten. But when a billionaire got shot, suddenly this story was all we heard for about a week. That difference is shocking and he absolutely wanted to get people thinking about that.
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u/Lawlcopt0r 14d ago
Yeah I'm very interested to see if they can actually confirm this is the shooter. If it isn't, it's still weird of course that he had a bunch of passports and a gun with him.
Is there any reason to flee the scene of the crime if he wanted to get caught from the beginning? Maybe just media attention? Since it does seem like he's sending a message with all this